Does Winning 10 Games Make One Relevant On the Big Stage Anymore?

[Hang_On_Sloopy08]

There’s only 3-4 “elite” teams at any given era. Not season, but era.

 

[Hang_On_Sloopy08]

With that said, only Ohio State, Alabama, Clemson and Oklahoma should be considered “elite”. I think Georgia is knocking and think my Buckeyes will take a little but of a step back.

 

[outofyourmind]

That’s pretty much what Wisconsin has done and no one really considered them “relevant”.

Not even an afterthought???

 

[7Samurai13]

Not even an afterthought???

They were 12-0 going into the CCG in 2017 and people were still saying they didn’t belong in the playoffs after six 10+ win seasons the previous eight seasons and the ones that weren’t were 9 and 8 wins. They were ranked third as the only undefeated P5 team. Barely even a blip on the radar.

 

[broncosmitty]

Didn't cover the spread in the CottonBowl either.


#neverforget

 

[HuskerinBig10]

So, is winning 10 games in a 12 game regular season good or not

Don't think so.

Winning 10 games is TOP 25 worthy and that is it Sometimes, it isn't even top 25 worthy. No idea what the stats are of teams that win 10 games each year, and how many make TOP 25 though. Won't waste time to look it up either. (@iowajerms can do that.)

Just about every Power 5 team has a cupcake on their schedule for their "budget." You know, make their 7 or 8 home games and make their $3,000,000 per game or whatever the number is. You can add in the 25 crappy bowl games that exist in there too. So that is two cupcake games for most teams. 13 games to win 10, big deal. 10/13 is a 77% which is a C.

Clemson has Wofford and Charlotte 49ers
Alabama has New Mexico State and Western Carolina Catamounts, throw in the occasional matchup with Vanderbilt
Ohio State has Maryland and Rutgers every year
Oklahoma has Kansas every year and South Dakota
Nebraska oh wait, they are the cupcake
Washington gets Oregon State every year plus Eastern Washington
Georgia gets Vanderbilt every year, and Murray State Racers
The American Conference gets the American Conference teams every year

 

[fritowrdo]

This thread is a trap thread and the person that it was intended for fell right into it hook line and sinker.

If Michigan fans would just admit that Harbaugh has not lived up to the pay and hyper that he was given when he started it would be a no brainer but they cannot do that.

Some how 10 wins and never going to the B1GCC or CFP is acceptable.

Carry on.

 

[iowajerms]

In 2018, every P5 team with 10 wins finished 15th rank or better.

The 3 Sun Belt teams that had 10+ were not ranked. The 3 in MWC were top 25. The 1 in MAC was not ranked. The 1 in CUSA was not. Army was. The 2 in AAC was ranked.

 

[iowajerms]

There were 16 P5 teams with 10+ wins in 2017.

 

[iowajerms]

I'll end here. All 17 P5 teams with 10+ finished Top 18.

 

[iowajerms]

Here are the teams that had 10+ wins in all past 3 seasons.

Alabama

2018 - 14 wins
2017 - 13 wins
2016 - 14 wins​

Boise State

2018 - 10
2017 - 11
2019 - 10​

Clemson

2018 - 15
2017 - 12
2016 - 14​

Ohio State

2018 - 13
2017 - 12
2016 - 11​

Oklahoma

2018 - 12
2017 - 12
2016 - 11​

Troy

2018 - 10
2017 - 11
2016 - 10​

Washington

2018 - 10
2017 - 10
2016 - 12​

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

@MAIZEandBLUE09 seems to think Harbaugh going (10-3), (10-3), (8-5), and (10-3) makes Michigan relevant on the big stage and were a threat to win the National Championship.

I say Pelini won 10 games several years and never less than 9, but Nebraska was widely considered irrelevant on the big stage.

Sorry, no tater salad.

What say you?

Discuss.

Winning 10 games isn’t what it used to be, as you are playing 13 and sometimes 14 or 15 games in a season.

Harbaugh came to UM with a lot of fan fair and many in the fan base, myself included, expected to see him turn the program around. In that respect, he has done a good job. He has brought UM back to where they are beating all the teams they should beat.
Personally — I think his time has been a failure up to this point. I thought he’d be pulling whatever QB he wanted and we’d be seeing elite QB play. Going into year 5 — we haven’t had a single QB he recruited from HS start for UM, with the exception of Brandon Peters, and that was only after the 1st and 2nd string QB’s were hurt.

I think this year will be telling on how much UM has really improved under Harbaugh. He has to replace players and he should have plenty of depth on the roster, where injuries won’t hurt.

So basically — what I’m saying is — 10 wins isn’t elite. It is a quality season, but until you win something, it will never be elite.

 

[outofyourmind]

Winning 10 games is important.
I'm never thinking otherwise.

 

[outofyourmind]

I wonder what the 9+ wins all time is.

 

[Texas Jefe]

in the end, NO, but can be a sign-where are you coming from? Do you follow it up, and win more?

Some 10 win seasons are bigger than others.

Go back to Mack's first year: Texas was short of talent, coming off a bad year, but they won 9 games and you could tell it was on the rise.

Texas in 2018, coming of a decade of impotence, a 7-6 season w/a win over Missouri in the bowl, new coach, and win 10 games, play in CCG, beat Georgia in Sugar Bowl. That's a decent season, not relevant, but on the rise.

So I guess in the end, answer is NO, however there can be cases where a 10 win season is a sign of a rising program. Or, could be a sign of a declining program, or even a flatlined program...so my answer is NO

 

[nddulac]

I read the original question as asking about a 10-win regular season team, meaning the team is 10-2 going into the bowls. Unless the two losses a 10-win team took came early on, you can bet that team was in the conversation about making the playoff. So yeah - under that interpretation of the question, yes - a 10-win team is relevant.

However, a 10-3 team after the bowls are over (or a 10-4 conference championship game winner) had a good season - and certainly deserves to be excited about it, but is not particularly relevant to the national championship discussion.

 

[Red_Alert]

I read the original question as asking about a 10-win regular season team, meaning the team is 10-2 going into the bowls. Unless the two losses a 10-win team took came early on, you can bet that team was in the conversation about making the playoff. So yeah - under that interpretation of the question, yes - a 10-win team is relevant.

However, a 10-3 team after the bowls are over (or a 10-4 conference championship game winner) had a good season - and certainly deserves to be excited about it, but is not particularly relevant to the national championship discussion.

Yeah. That's why I said "ENTIRE" season in the title. To include CCG's and bowl games.

 

[olympicoscar]

@MAIZEandBLUE09 seems to think Harbaugh going (10-3), (10-3), (8-5), and (10-3) makes Michigan relevant on the big stage and were a threat to win the National Championship.

I say Pelini won 10 games several years and never less than 9, but Nebraska was widely considered irrelevant on the big stage.

Sorry, no tater salad.

What say you?

Discuss.

You have to do it repeatedly. You also have to make the CFP. 10 wins won't do it.

 

[nddulac]

Yeah. That's why I said "ENTIRE" season in the title. To include CCG's and bowl games.

Okay. So what is "the big stage"? I mean, for some programs, losing 10 games would make them very relevant on "the big stage" of "WTF is wrong with _______________."

 

[Rolltide94]

I wonder what the 9+ wins all time is.

Oh, you may have found the mediocrity sweet spot for Michigan

13 for Michigan
11 for Alabama
7 for Oklahoma

...maybe not though, 8 wins seems to be their sweet spot, they have 17 of those.

In their defense though, 8 win was a big deal when your grandpappy was in diapers.