Remaining Schedule and Subsequent Draft Position

[Montalban]

The 49ers actually spent some cash. Richburg got a big contract for a center. They probably overpaid for McKinnon. And Sherman's contract wouldn't be as cheap if he made incentives. Some of the FA acquisitons have been questionable but I've never bought into the idea that it was Jed York who was limiting how much the FO could spend. The lack of spending during Baalke's tenure was a result of his insistence on sticking to his blueprint.

Don't you remember when the Yorks made players pay for their own stamps when answering fan mail? How 'bout when they nixed Marriucci's plan to buy the team championship belt buckles for winning the division in 2000 or was it 2001? The name York is synonymous with cheapness.

 

[deep9er]

That's what we thought last year when they had record-setting cap room and the cheap bastards only got a mediocre Center in Richburg a back up RB in McKinnon and an injured Sherman on the cheap.
Knowing the Yorks, they'll do the same thing this year.

It isn't the Yorks since they've given Lynch and Shannahan the reins.

I'm not for signing the top FA's either, until the team has some kind of foundation via the draft. It doesn't need to be a SOLID foundation, but one that is moving the team upward. A 4-11 record tells us we don't have a foundation yet

The 2017 class started good but took a step back, mainly due to Foster. But there is still enough picks from 2017 to help the foundation. The 2018 class is looking good SO FAR, and don't see it dropping off much if any. If we add another good 2019 draft class, that will likely be enough to establish a foundation. Obviously, this 2019 class depends heavily on the pass rusher panning out.

For this coming off-season, i still wouldn't pay for the very top FA's. I'll let my 3 newest classes play out next season and see what kind of team we have? For me it is about building the team the right way - via the draft. Having a lot of cap space is good, but i wouldn't use it to build a 4-11 team. I would use the cap space to re-sign/extend some of our own, because you know these guys are proven in our schemes.

 

[Pattersonca65]

Don't you remember when the Yorks made players pay for their own stamps when answering fan mail? How 'bout when they nixed Marriucci's plan to buy the team championship belt buckles for winning the division in 2000 or was it 2001? The name York is synonymous with cheapness.

I remember some stuff like that when they first took over. After that the 49ers had the league's highest payroll at one point and one of the league's highest paid coaching staff. They spent money it just didn't work out.

 

[Ricky Roma]

I think the 'Yorks are cheap' stigma is a thing of the past. With John/Denise, it certainly was an issue, but I don't think it's been that way with Jed.

 

[deep9er]

I remember some stuff like that when they first took over. After that the 49ers had the league's highest payroll at one point and one of the league's highest paid coaching staff. They spent money it just didn't work out.

Thats how i recall it too. John York was trying to get the administrative part of it in order, but things got blown up. When anyone first steps into a business as President, he has to get the administrative side in order. So while the focus should've been organizing/undertanding his operation, the focus became stamps.

Yes, the problem was inadequate drafting and coaching, not inadequate spending.

 

[deep9er]

I think the 'Yorks are cheap' stigma is a thing of the past. With John/Denise, it certainly was an issue, but I don't think it's been that way with Jed.

Agree, Jed hasn't been cheap and hasn't interfered with the football side.

BTW - If i Owned a billion dollar team, i'd want to know whats going on "in the licker room"? I wouldn't control the draft, call plays down to the HC, nor say which free agent to sign, but i'd want to be informed. So everyone's definition of "meddling" is a little different.

 

[Pattersonca65]

Thats how i recall it too. John York was trying to get the administrative part of it in order, but things got blown up. When anyone first steps into a business as President, he has to get the administrative side in order. So while the focus should've been organizing/undertanding his operation, the focus became stamps.

Yes, the problem was inadequate drafting and coaching, not inadequate spending.

Things started really going south when Terry Donahue took over. He was an awful GM that drafted poorly and signed some of those lousy picks to extensions. Terry Donahue was hand picked by Walsh and I would not fault anyone for following Bill Walsh's advice. After getting rid of them I thought the York's should have brought in an experienced front office person but instead hired Nolan. He turned out to be a crappy coach but on the other hand brought in McGlouhan and together they purged the roster and rebuilt the roster that Harbaugh took to the playoffs three years in a row. Their other mistake was promoting Baalke and not looking for another quality GM which in the end cost them alot of money.

 

[Montalban]

It isn't the Yorks since they've given Lynch and Shannahan the reins.

I'm not for signing the top FA's either, until the team has some kind of foundation via the draft. It doesn't need to be a SOLID foundation, but one that is moving the team upward. A 4-11 record tells us we don't have a foundation yet

The 2017 class started good but took a step back, mainly due to Foster. But there is still enough picks from 2017 to help the foundation. The 2018 class is looking good SO FAR, and don't see it dropping off much if any. If we add another good 2019 draft class, that will likely be enough to establish a foundation. Obviously, this 2019 class depends heavily on the pass rusher panning out.

For this coming off-season, i still wouldn't pay for the very top FA's. I'll let my 3 newest classes play out next season and see what kind of team we have? For me it is about building the team the right way - via the draft. Having a lot of cap space is good, but i wouldn't use it to build a 4-11 team. I would use the cap space to re-sign/extend some of our own, because you know these guys are proven in our schemes.

I don't have time to wait for them to build through the draft. That puts a team 5 years from being competitive. But I disagree about the lack of a fouindation. The injuries were unprecedented. This team, even without Garopollo, should be 8 and 7 right now. They should have won the Green Bay game, the Giants game and both Cardinal games. They just need some talent at the skill positions. .

 

[deep9er]

I don't have time to wait for them to build through the draft. That puts a team 5 years from being competitive. But I disagree about the lack of a fouindation. The injuries were unprecedented. This team, even without Garopollo, should be 8 and 7 right now. They should have won the Green Bay game, the Giants game and both Cardinal games. They just need some talent at the skill positions. .

I'm much older than you so if i can wait....................

it won't take 5 years, just one more. Also, not saying don't sign any FA's, just not the top ones. You always overpay for FA's but the top ones mean overpaying a LOT. Everyone knows this but every fan STILL wants the top FA's.

Ok, there was an unprecedent amount of injuries that skewed "4-11". But at the same time, going to 8-7 is exaggerating. Plus, if we could've won all these close games, then who's to say we could've lost two close games we won? Detroit and Seattle

 

[Montalban]

I'm much older than you so if i can wait....................

it won't take 5 years, just one more. Also, not saying don't sign any FA's, just not the top ones. You always overpay for FA's but the top ones mean overpaying a LOT. Everyone knows this but every fan STILL wants the top FA's.

Ok, there was an unprecedent amount of injuries that skewed "4-11". But at the same time, going to 8-7 is exaggerating. Plus, if we could've won all these close games, then who's to say we could've lost two close games we won? Detroit and Seattle

Don't think so. I didn't even count the 2-point loss to San Diego and the 5-point loss to the Bears; games that they were one play from winning..

 

[deep9er]

Don't think so. I didn't even count the 2-point loss to San Diego and the 5-point loss to the Bears; games that they were one play from winning..

Point is we always like to say "we should've won that close game, and that close game", but we NEVER talk about the close games we did win.

i bet the Lion and Seahawk fans are saying the same thing about the 49er game....we should've won that game.

 

[Montalban]

Point is we always like to say "we should've won that close game, and that close game", but we NEVER talk about the close games we did win.

i bet the Lion and Seahawk fans are saying the same thing about the 49er game....we should've won that game.

Yep but don't spoil my fantasy.

 

[deep9er]

Yep but don't spoil my fantasy.

haaaa

 

[poewelch84]

In free agency they need to stay away from the premium positions on defense. I think a safety would be a good place. Look at how slow that market was they should be able to add a solid player without breaking the bank. I would also bring in another Guard on the interior one better than what they have and should start over what they have. To me with a solid draft could help turn the team in a positive direction. If course of they have they chance to add a pass rusher as a free agent to open up what they can do in the draft that might be the one position I'm ok with spending on.

 

[Groo]

So, is Lynch done tearing down the team?
I though going into the season that Jimmy G's performance might have sped up the rebuild. I was wrong
I could be wrong again but, I don't see him being done

 

[deep9er]

So, is Lynch done tearing down the team?
I though going into the season that Jimmy G's performance might have sped up the rebuild. I was wrong
I could be wrong again but, I don't see him being done

I would say yes. There are always changes year to year, but now the amount will be "NFL norm".

Agree on JG based on his 3 games played, he didn't look any better than Mullins. This after he supposedly knew the offense better during the off-season. Yes, they need to improve the O-line where possible in free agency. Nothing big but add better back-ups where possible.

 

[poewelch84]

I think it's tough to judge Jimmy 's performance based on these games with a new center, and a new RT. The O-line has looked better later in the season than early on. They do need to improve depth across the board and add better starting talent at the guard positions.

 

[Ricky Roma]

I want an ER...still want Bosa, and if we stay in the same draft position as we are now, the chances of getting him just went up.....

...IF the Cards still go defense, their decision was made that much harder tonight. Their interior defense is the problem, and Quinnen Williams is a problem solver. That kid was a wrecking machine...so much so that if he fell to SF, I'd be 'OK' in taking him. I can see him and Bosa pulling themselves away fro the rest of the defensive pack.

Oh, and people need to relax in regards to Jimmy G. Don't be fooled by numbers comparable to Nick Mullens. All JG needs to prove is if he can stay healthy.....he is several steps ahead of NM....not even close.

 

[Groo]

I think the 'Yorks are cheap' stigma is a thing of the past. With John/Denise, it certainly was an issue, but I don't think it's been that way with Jed.

As I recall, the cheap issue was with how they ran the front office vs payroll for the team
One incident I recall had to do with bottle water.

 

[Ricky Roma]

As I recall, the cheap issue was with how they ran the front office vs payroll for the team
One incident I recall had to do with bottle water.

Yeah...something to do with bottled water. Can't remember the specifics, nor do I care. What's done is done.