Official Mariners arm-chair GM offseason thread 2018-2019

[seahawksfan234]

Not ideal, but the Mariners could give a look at Troy Tulowitzki after his recent release.

 

[ehwq]

 

[wazzu31]

Pretty interesting discussion. I can honestly see both sides of the argument.

Examining the wisdom of a Mitch Haniger trade

First, I totally forgot Jerry said he had to be blown away to get rid of Diaz, Marco and Haniger. I don’t mind the Cano and Diaz trade but in zero way was it a blow your doors off offer or trade.

Second, I’m conflicted because I do think he has value to the team, I have zero faith in Jerry trading him but the team also needs a leader whether it be on the field or off. I can’t imagine this rebuild process is going to work Seager as the guy to show young players how to be pros, and if Jerry is relying on guys like Santana and Bruce to do it then there is zero chance. A veteran minimum like Mike Sweeney ok, but not a vet on a terrible contract and the organization doesn’t even want them. But he also should be back a nice haul because of his contract and since Jerry’s deals have underwhelmed incredibly if they want to get quality prospects in the farm system.

 

[SeattleCoug]

Not ideal, but the Mariners could give a look at Troy Tulowitzki after his recent release.

I agree with bringing in a SS but not him. Jose Iglesias is more what I’d want

 

[seahawksfan234]

I agree with bringing in a SS but not him. Jose Iglesias is more what I’d want

Doesn't really matter all that much who the Mariners sign. I'd just like to acquire a cheap vet with possible trade-value upside by the trade deadline. Although I'm not sure Tulo would fit that bill considering the fact he didn't play in 2018 and the Blue Jays figured they're better off just paying him to go away. They must have reason to believe he won't be of any value in 2019.

 

[seahawksfan234]

First, I totally forgot Jerry said he had to be blown away to get rid of Diaz, Marco and Haniger. I don’t mind the Cano and Diaz trade but in zero way was it a blow your doors off offer or trade.

Second, I’m conflicted because I do think he has value to the team, I have zero faith in Jerry trading him but the team also needs a leader whether it be on the field or off. I can’t imagine this rebuild process is going to work Seager as the guy to show young players how to be pros, and if Jerry is relying on guys like Santana and Bruce to do it then there is zero chance. A veteran minimum like Mike Sweeney ok, but not a vet on a terrible contract and the organization doesn’t even want them. But he also should be back a nice haul because of his contract and since Jerry’s deals have underwhelmed incredibly if they want to get quality prospects in the farm system.

Regarding the being blown away thing, I think that more applied to Haniger and Marco. I can't imagine any GM needing to be blown away by a trade offer for a closer at peak value on a team that won't contend until after the next presidential election.

We just need to accept that Seager is dead weight at this point. Barring some miracle, he won't have any trade value. Even if he put up 2017 or 2016-like numbers at the plate, his age, contract, streakiness and issue with the shift massively deflate any trade value he has. If there is anyone on this team worth rooting for, it's Seager since if he explodes early on we could maybe move on from him with minimal damage.

From all appearances it looks like the Mariners wouldn't package Haniger with someone like Seager for contract relief, and it seems like the Mariners probably wouldn't accept a prospect package for Haniger that didn't bring back at least 3 top 100 prospects.

Seattle Mariners: The Trade to Send Haniger to Atlanta

I don't think this would ever realistically happen, but it would land the Mariners: RHP Kyle Wright (#29 overall), RHP Ian Anderson (#34 overall), OF Christian Pache (#68 overall) and RHP Tristian Beck (UR). I think when JD says he needs to be "blown away," a trade offer like this is what he's talking about.

I would say yes to that.

 

[seahawksfan234]

Seattle Mariners Rumors: M’s reportedly ‘in’ on Sonny Gray

This is an interesting idea. Something centered around Carlos Santana perhaps. As the article mentioned, Sonny Gray actually pitched pretty well away from Yankee Stadium. In 2017 he had a 3.17 ERA on the road. A change of scenery could be good for him and if he pitches well, the Mariners could possibly get a substantial prospect package in return at the trade deadline.

It's a big gamble, but could give the Mariners a high return if he rebounds in 2019.

 

[ulmax]

santana to rockies is ok
if they get garret hampson 2b/ss
first as a prospect...ready for
mlb..hit 314 with v6 hr.17 stolen bases..is ok
for a ss in the pac league

along with ian desmond it is worth
thinking about
of coarse a trade with san diego
would have to come next....lol
gamel for cordero.......lol

there lhp in the deal is worth
thinking about as well..peter lambert

 

[ulmax]

lambert is more of a change up
slider guy right now
and he is at AAA...but he is not quite ready for mlb
oh yeah he is a rhp...not lhp

 

[seahawksfan234]

santana to rockies is ok
if they get garret hampson 2b/ss
first as a prospect...ready for
mlb..hit 314 with v6 hr.17 stolen bases..is ok
for a ss in the pac league

along with ian desmond it is worth
thinking about
of coarse a trade with san diego
would have to come next....lol
gamel for cordero.......lol

there lhp in the deal is worth
thinking about as well..peter lambert

Would be nice landing Garrett Hampson in a Santana trade.

Ian Desmond would just be dead money to even out the deal. I'd rather take on other contracts, but this is all speculative at this point. Lambert or Hampson would be nice additions to the Mariners farm system.

For all his faults, at least Dipoto has me refreshing MLBTR after every task I complete at work...

 

[wazzu31]

Regarding the being blown away thing, I think that more applied to Haniger and Marco. I can't imagine any GM needing to be blown away by a trade offer for a closer at peak value on a team that won't contend until after the next presidential election.

We just need to accept that Seager is dead weight at this point. Barring some miracle, he won't have any trade value. Even if he put up 2017 or 2016-like numbers at the plate, his age, contract, streakiness and issue with the shift massively deflate any trade value he has. If there is anyone on this team worth rooting for, it's Seager since if he explodes early on we could maybe move on from him with minimal damage.

From all appearances it looks like the Mariners wouldn't package Haniger with someone like Seager for contract relief, and it seems like the Mariners probably wouldn't accept a prospect package for Haniger that didn't bring back at least 3 top 100 prospects.

Seattle Mariners: The Trade to Send Haniger to Atlanta

I don't think this would ever realistically happen, but it would land the Mariners: RHP Kyle Wright (#29 overall), RHP Ian Anderson (#34 overall), OF Christian Pache (#68 overall) and RHP Tristian Beck (UR). I think when JD says he needs to be "blown away," a trade offer like this is what he's talking about.

I would say yes to that.

But he said it about all 3. It’s not anyone in baseball’s fault Jerry decided to sell massively low on Diaz because he is a teenage girl who has zero patience for a market to develop.

 

[ulmax]

Would be nice landing Garrett Hampson in a Santana trade.

Ian Desmond would just be dead money to even out the deal. I'd rather take on other contracts, but this is all speculative at this point. Lambert or Hampson would be nice additions to the Mariners farm system.

For all his faults, at least Dipoto has me refreshing MLBTR after every task I complete at work...

agreed hampson has to be ...the bait...lol
dont even want desmond money
or nothing
but he could be a bounce back
guy in a bruce platoon
so i would consider it(have to fangraph it)
he hits 270 or so...
somtimes
but not without hampson

 

[ulmax]

jake anchia.catcher...everett the new zunino
only better...lolol


i will take anchia and gilbert strait up to mlb..see them at west virgina in spring

 

[ulmax]

but arizona may be interested
in desmond....???

yeah

always like to go a fishing
lololol

i like dylan moore..a lot 2b/3b tacoma

 

[ulmax]

but if i was arizona...just trade
greinke to the yankee and be done
with it....lololol

sounds so good...he would never
live it down...lollol

 

[FirebreathingMonkey]

Edwin Encarnacion Traded to Mariners for Carlos Santana in 3-Team Deal

Edwin Encarnacion Traded to Mariners for Carlos Santana in 3-Team Deal

 

[seahawksfan234]

Mariners receive:
-Edwin Encarnacion ($26.6m + incl $5m buyout)
-Round B competitive balance pick (#77 overall)
-$5m (from Rays)

Indians receive:
-Carlos Santana ($40m)
-$6m from Mariners

Pretty fair overall. Mariners save roughly $12m and land the #77 overall pick in the 2019 MLB draft. To put that into perspective, guys drafted in that round usually enter the system with a 45-50 prospect grade using the 20-80 scale. Josh Stowers (our #10 overall prospect) is probably an adequate comparison to what we'd select at that spot.

I assume Encarnacion will be on the move soon.

 

[seattlefan75]

Mariners receive:
-Edwin Encarnacion ($26.6m + incl $5m buyout)
-Round B competitive balance pick (#77 overall)
-$5m (from Rays)

Indians receive:
-Carlos Santana ($40m)
-$6m from Mariners

Pretty fair overall. Mariners save roughly $12m and land the #77 overall pick in the 2019 MLB draft. To put that into perspective, guys drafted in that round usually enter the system with a 45-50 prospect grade using the 20-80 scale. Josh Stowers (our #10 overall prospect) is probably an adequate comparison to what we'd select at that spot.

I assume Encarnacion will be on the move soon.

I thought we aren't allowed to trade picks in baseball? Also do we get a compensation pick for Nelson Cruz? He met with the Twins I believe either today or yesterday

 

[Anointed One]

Mariners receive:
-Edwin Encarnacion ($26.6m + incl $5m buyout)
-Round B competitive balance pick (#77 overall)
-$5m (from Rays)

Indians receive:
-Carlos Santana ($40m)
-$6m from Mariners

Pretty fair overall. Mariners save roughly $12m and land the #77 overall pick in the 2019 MLB draft. To put that into perspective, guys drafted in that round usually enter the system with a 45-50 prospect grade using the 20-80 scale. Josh Stowers (our #10 overall prospect) is probably an adequate comparison to what we'd select at that spot.

I assume Encarnacion will be on the move soon.

I like this deal overall as well... If we don't trade Edwin before the season, he would be great trade bait for the Trade deadline...

 

[FirebreathingMonkey]

I thought we aren't allowed to trade picks in baseball? Also do we get a compensation pick for Nelson Cruz? He met with the Twins I believe either today or yesterday

Teams are allowed to trade competitive balance picks, which are the supplemental picks after the first and second rounds. The Padres recently acquired the Twins’ supplemental second-round pick (No. 74 overall) in the trade that offloaded veteran Phil Hughes and some of his salary.

source-https://www.baseballamerica.com/stories/ask-ba-should-mlb-teams-be-allowed-to-trade-draft-picks/