politics thread

[gkekoa]

Trump telling Comey to stop the investigation of Flynn would be Obstruction of Justice and possibly Abuse of Power. Two no no's for a sitting President.

No one has been charged with this yet. BUt if thats the case, are you willing to let it slide because you "Like his policies"??

And sounds to me like you are willing to sacrifice the FBI in order to save the President. Apparently so are some members of the Senate if todays proceedings are any indication.

Well, let’s look at the original charge against Flynn, or what they were Logan Act. While he was technically not part of the government, he was a part of the president elects team. Nobody has ever been convicted and only one person has ever been indicted. Did Flynn lie? That too is debatable, but he did plead guilty.

Did Trump actually obstruct Justice? There is no credible evidence he did. Comey kept memos? Is Comey not a known liar and political hack? Yes he is. Is it obstruction to ask Comey to drop the investigation because the investigation was about the Logan Act? Again, every president elect team discusses foreign policy before they actually take office. It allows them to hit the ground running.

So both Obstruction and abuse of power are BS.

It depends on the evidence. If I believe Trump is actually guilty, then yes, I want him to fry. I hate corruption.

I am willing to sacrifice the FBI, or the bosses, because it looks to me like they deserve it. They tried to sway the election and for me, that is worse than colluding with foreign countries to win an election. Foreign countries have no allegiance to the US...the FBI took an oath of impartiality. It sure looks like they have failed that oath...at least Comey, Stroyk, and his ho.

 

[Sharkinva]

They tried to sway the election and for me, that is worse than colluding with foreign countries to win an election. Foreign countries have no allegiance to the US...the FBI took an oath of impartiality.

I will simply touch on this. The FACT is, they did every thing they could to NOT sway the election. Up to and including making sure no hint of the Russia Probe went out until AFTER the election was done and over with. If they really wanted to sway the election against Trump,

1. They would not have let leak that the email probe of Clinton had been reopened two weeks before the election.

2. They would have leaked the Russia Probe at or around the same time frame.

So the reality is, they did their job. They didnt try to taint the election when they could have. And yesterday was a pathetic attempt at getting that a Few Good Men moment out of Peter Strozk. I guess its too bad they still havent proved his Bias was some sort of conspiracy against Trump. I will give them an A+ for effort though.

 

[gkekoa]

I will simply touch on this. The FACT is, they did every thing they could to NOT sway the election. Up to and including making sure no hint of the Russia Probe went out until AFTER the election was done and over with. If they really wanted to sway the election against Trump,

1. They would not have let leak that the email probe of Clinton had been reopened two weeks before the election.

2. They would have leaked the Russia Probe at or around the same time frame.

So the reality is, they did their job. They didnt try to taint the election when they could have. And yesterday was a pathetic attempt at getting that a Few Good Men moment out of Peter Strozk. I guess its too bad they still havent proved his Bias was some sort of conspiracy against Trump. I will give them an A+ for effort though.

If they did their job, Hillary would have been arrested before the election, because there was evidence to actually arrest her.

As for the Russia probe, it isn’t illegal for a foreign country to interfere with our election. Why are they investigating non-crimes?

Strozyk has obvious bias and we know it affected his job.

 

[Sharkinva]

If they did their job, Hillary would have been arrested before the election, because there was evidence to actually arrest her.

As for the Russia probe, it isn’t illegal for a foreign country to interfere with our election. Why are they investigating non-crimes?

Strozyk has obvious bias and we know it affected his job.

True, but it is illegal for Trump or his aides to knowingly take campaign money from foreign interests without disclosing where these funds came from. Its might be illegal for Cohen to pay hush money to Stormy Daniels if they then used campaign funds to repay Cohen. And Im thinking they are not too keen on the idea of his camp actually working with Russian agents to try and swing the election.

And its odd that the IG report said they found no evidence that Bias affected his job. Or for that matter the Mueller Probe. I know thats long been the hope, but the reality is, while the man is obviously biased, it apparently did not affect his job in either the Clinton Probe, or the Russia probe.

 

[skinsdad62]

Id love to hear an explanation of why and how Mueller is a hack whos leading a witch hunt and just out to get Trump.

he is buddies with comey and comey leaked information to him

 

[skinsdad62]

True, but it is illegal for Trump or his aides to knowingly take campaign money from foreign interests without disclosing where these funds came from. Its might be illegal for Cohen to pay hush money to Stormy Daniels if they then used campaign funds to repay Cohen. And Im thinking they are not too keen on the idea of his camp actually working with Russian agents to try and swing the election.

And its odd that the IG report said they found no evidence that Bias affected his job. Or for that matter the Mueller Probe. I know thats long been the hope, but the reality is, while the man is obviously biased, it apparently did not affect his job in either the Clinton Probe, or the Russia probe.

if you got past the first paragraph you would know that statement is foolish

 

[Sharkinva]

if you got past the first paragraph you would know that statement is foolish

So riddle me this.

If the Mueller probe is so biased, and was commissioned on this rampant bias.... Why in fact did the IG report not expressly say, or even remotely recommend it be shut down??

Why did they spend nine hours yesterday trying to get Strozk to admit to this grand plan to bring Trump down as some evil plot inside the FBI??

Seriously, if its that tainted, why doesnt the Senate just do what trump wants and shut it down?? More to the point why havent THEY files law suites to have it shut down on its in your opinion illegal basis??

 

[Sharkinva]

By the way gents. While you are all up in arms as to how Collusion is not a crime... this is...


18 U.S. Code § 371 - Conspiracy to commit offense or to defraud United States

If two or more persons conspire either to commit any offense against the United States, or to defraud the United States, or any agency thereof in any manner or for any purpose, and one or more of such persons do any act to effect the object of the conspiracy, each shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years, or both.

If, however, the offense, the commission of which is the object of the conspiracy, is a misdemeanor only, the punishment for such conspiracy shall not exceed the maximum punishment provided for such misdemeanor.

(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 701; Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII, § 330016(1)(L), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2147.)

 

[gkekoa]

True, but it is illegal for Trump or his aides to knowingly take campaign money from foreign interests without disclosing where these funds came from. Its might be illegal for Cohen to pay hush money to Stormy Daniels if they then used campaign funds to repay Cohen. And Im thinking they are not too keen on the idea of his camp actually working with Russian agents to try and swing the election.

And its odd that the IG report said they found no evidence that Bias affected his job. Or for that matter the Mueller Probe. I know thats long been the hope, but the reality is, while the man is obviously biased, it apparently did not affect his job in either the Clinton Probe, or the Russia probe.

OK...I agree. Is there any evidence of campaign finance laws being broken?

Do you really believe the billionaire needed to use campaign money for hush money?

Are Russian agents any worse than British ones?

Think freely. Follow the evidence in the Clinton probe.

By the way gents. While you are all up in arms as to how Collusion is not a crime... this is..

18 U.S. Code § 371 - Conspiracy to commit offense or to defraud United States

If two or more persons conspire either to commit any offense against the United States, or to defraud the United States, or any agency thereof in any manner or for any purpose, and one or more of such persons do any act to effect the object of the conspiracy, each shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years, or both.

If, however, the offense, the commission of which is the object of the conspiracy, is a misdemeanor only, the punishment for such conspiracy shall not exceed the maximum punishment provided for such misdemeanor.

(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 701; Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII, § 330016(1)(L), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2147.)

So who tried to commit an offense or defraud the US?

 

[Sharkinva]

OK...I agree. Is there any evidence of campaign finance laws being broken?

Do you really believe the billionaire needed to use campaign money for hush money?

Are Russian agents any worse than British ones?

Think freely. Follow the evidence in the Clinton probe.





So who tried to commit an offense or defraud the US?

Think Freely.. thats funny considering the situation.

The reality is, until this probe is over we wont know who did what. And if they squash it, we will likely never know. But if you got past your party bias, you would actually want a real answer one way or another.

By the way.. 12 more indictments as of 15 minutes ago.

That Mueller probe.. just wasting tax payer money.

 

[Sportster 72]

Actually he was assigned to look into Russian Meddling in our election. As a Special Investigator he does have the authority to look into other crimes that may be discovered while he continues looking into the election tampering situation.

Call it a fishing trip if you like, but he is within the realm of what he has been tasked to do. And picking Party politics over the country is the only reason someone would call it a fishing expedition.

I understand he is within his powers as a special investigator. I do not agree with the unlimited power that an SI has. I don't mean that in just this case but in the past also.

My real point is saying he has xx convictions etc. etc. is that it isn't based necessarily on what they set out to look for. Many of these crimes predated 2016 so the statistics are not necessarily representative of why they felt they needed an SI. shark you know the deal as well as I do that we can make statistics say what we want them to or we can find a report or article to represent the point we are trying to make if we want to. Which once again illustrates the point of had made more than once. No one here is right and no one here is wrong (well maybe a couple LOL) the truth lies somewhere in the middle.

 

[Sharkinva]

I understand he is within his powers as a special investigator. I do not agree with the unlimited power that an SI has. I don't mean that in just this case but in the past also.

My real point is saying he has xx convictions etc. etc. is that it isn't based necessarily on what they set out to look for. Many of these crimes predated 2016 so the statistics are not necessarily representative of why they felt they needed an SI. shark you know the deal as well as I do that we can make statistics say what we want them to or we can find a report or article to represent the point we are trying to make if we want to. Which once again illustrates the point of had made more than once. No one here is right and no one here is wrong (well maybe a couple LOL) the truth lies somewhere in the middle.

I agree. The problem is.. some folks want to move far away from the middle, and this is on both sides.

I for one have no problem with the broad scope of the SI. Because while some will say this is all a witch hunt, so was the Clinton Email Probe to a degree. And I actually think she was guilty too.

 

[ehb5]

he is buddies with comey and comey leaked information to him

So because hes friendly with comey hes corrupt and out to get trump? Do you hear how insane that sounds?

 

[ehb5]

I hope you're not mistaking being a republican automatically makes you a conservative. I'll admit i don't read your 10 paragraph posts, but what I do read sounds more like the liberals I occasionally watch on msnbc

Huh? I most certainly do NOT associate myself with the republican party or consider myself a republican.

I am, however, a conservative.

 

[ehb5]

I understand he is within his powers as a special investigator. I do not agree with the unlimited power that an SI has. I don't mean that in just this case but in the past also.

My real point is saying he has xx convictions etc. etc. is that it isn't based necessarily on what they set out to look for. Many of these crimes predated 2016 so the statistics are not necessarily representative of why they felt they needed an SI. shark you know the deal as well as I do that we can make statistics say what we want them to or we can find a report or article to represent the point we are trying to make if we want to. Which once again illustrates the point of had made more than once. No one here is right and no one here is wrong (well maybe a couple LOL) the truth lies somewhere in the middle.

I generally agree the truth lies somewhere in the middle. Thats why i think the way a lot of people think about politics is so bad. They view the other side as the enemy and just support their side no matter what instead of trying to take the bits and pieces of truth from different perspectives.

Thats also why we need to calm down and wait to see what the investigation turns up. So many people have already made up their minds on the results and have fully bought into every conspiracy theory they can think of about how its all a deep state conspiracy to bring down trump and save hillary.

Everybodys gotta chill and see what Mueller finds. Maybe itll be nothing.

 

[skinsdad62]

So because hes friendly with comey hes corrupt and out to get trump? Do you hear how insane that sounds?

ebb if it were that simple i wouldnt put it out there . its their actions , their statements its how one candidate was handled and how the other was not

you are an admitted never trumper who would vote for a socialist liberal because your hate is so great not caring about the future consequences

sorry buts its plain as day there was bias in both investigations and if you dont have equal justice under the law or choose to look the other way when HRC gives away classified information because she is lazy and careless then we wont have a country .

you were silent when obama colluded with russia , and with the prime minister of israel political opponent then act highly offended when Trump is falsely accused of the same thing

the FBI did the same shit to MLK to destroy him by linking him to the russians , based on just as flimsy BS as trump

again 2 yrs and not one thing about collusion from american citizens

 

[ehb5]

ebb if it were that simple i wouldnt put it out there . its their actions , their statements its how one candidate was handled and how the other was not

you are an admitted never trumper who would vote for a socialist liberal because your hate is so great not caring about the future consequences

sorry buts its plain as day there was bias in both investigations and if you dont have equal justice under the law or choose to look the other way when HRC gives away classified information because she is lazy and careless then we wont have a country .

you were silent when obama colluded with russia , and with the prime minister of israel political opponent then act highly offended when Trump is falsely accused of the same thing

the FBI did the same shit to MLK to destroy him by linking him to the russians , based on just as flimsy BS as trump

again 2 yrs and not one thing about collusion from american citizens

No its not dude. Mueller is highly respected. There is no evidence that the investigation is illegal or has been unfair.

There is no evidence the hillary investigation was a fraud. The IG report does not say that. It even says Strzok pushed for more thorough investigation of Hillary.

Does strzok have biases? Sure. So does everybody working on the investigation. We all do. Im sure there are trump supporters working on the investigation. But there is no evidence that anything illegal was done in either investigation.

If anything the FBI helped trump win by NOT revealing they were investigating trump but at the same time acting against department protocol when comey wrote his letter immediately before the election.

You are buying into conspiracy theories at every turn. There is not a deep state operation to stop trump. Stop rooting for your political team over all else.

 

[Rowdy]

So because hes friendly with comey hes corrupt and out to get trump? Do you hear how insane that sounds?

Did you hear the part about Comey leaking info to him? Not so insane when that happens

 

[Rowdy]

Huh? I most certainly do NOT associate myself with the republican party or consider myself a republican.

I am, however, a conservative.

If you say so

 

[gkekoa]

Think Freely.. thats funny considering the situation.

The reality is, until this probe is over we wont know who did what. And if they squash it, we will likely never know. But if you got past your party bias, you would actually want a real answer one way or another.

By the way.. 12 more indictments as of 15 minutes ago.

That Mueller probe.. just wasting tax payer money.

Oh I agree. I would like the real answer but I don’t want a witch hunt which I believe this to be. I believe you need specific evidence in order to obtain a warrant from an unbiased source to open an investigation. I believe the evidence obtained has been extremely tainted to obtain an illegal warrant against a US citizen. We haven’t even mentioned the trouncing of Trump’s rights by breaching attorney client privilege.

So I have been looking at the indictments and charges. Most of these are mometary crimes...no I am not excusing them...but I look back at other presidencies and see much worse and far greater evidence of impropriety.. I am yet to see Trump’s name attached to anything but I do feel it is having an impact on his presidency.

I do feel there is a deep state issue. I don’t think they ever want to see another outsider in the White House because things are actually getting done.