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[Sharkinva]

How on earth can you can you compare last year when we had the most injuries in the league. This is all about KC with you. Let it go. You are all about KC and not the team. ITs all ready been proven that we are paying 5m less a season and we got just as good or better at the qb position. You still don't understand that.

1. You really need a refresher in Math skippy. Smith has $71M guaranteed, Cousins got $82M guaranteed. In no way are we paying $5M less per season. So the difference in guaranteed money over the next three years is actually 11M, or roughly $$3.6M per year.

2. Its about the team making moves to try and justify mistakes of the past. They refused to give Kirk a long term deal because Bruce could not admit he was WRONG.

3. Just as good or better at QB is subject to opinion, and currently we have zero, zip, nada as proof that this is the case. This is an opinion of Bruce, which you shockingly take as gospel.

But aside from that, roll with it Skippy. Because while you spent the past three years tearing down the QB and waiting expectantly for him to slip up, I expect you will cling to Alex Smiths jock tighter than underwear two sizes to small.

 

[skinz2winz]

you make the huge mistake that i am all in on darnold i am not

I'm not sure who Cleveland really wants however, I would think if you identified QB as your #1 need which I think they have then take "your" guy. Don't settle at the most important position on the team. Odds are, Barkley is still there at 4 if they want him. If not, they can take the best defensive player available and ride with Hyde.

 

[Sharkinva]

I'm not sure who Cleveland really wants however, I would think if you identified QB as your #1 need which I think they have then take "your" guy. Don't settle at the most important position on the team. Odds are, Barkley is still there at 4 if they want him. If not, they can take the best defensive player available and ride with Hyde.

Thing is, the QB pool is apparently deeper than the RB pool.

So the question I ask myself if IM the Brown is, do I think the talent level between our #1 and #2 QB in this draft is a bigger drop off thant the talent level between the #1 RB, and the guy we would likely get if we passed on him.

It wouldnt be a stretch to take Darnold, Rosen, or even Allen at #4.
It would be a reach to take the next best RB behind Barkley at #4.
And if the talk around this board of trading up for Barkley is any indication, if the Browns dont take him #1 over all, some one like maybe the Giants who have the #2 just might try to work something with a team like us and still be able to get DE at 13.

 

[deanpet21]

1. You really need a refresher in Math skippy. Smith has $71M guaranteed, Cousins got $82M guaranteed. In no way are we paying $5M less per season. So the difference in guaranteed money over the next three years is actually 11M, or roughly $$3.6M per year.

2. Its about the team making moves to try and justify mistakes of the past. They refused to give Kirk a long term deal because Bruce could not admit he was WRONG.

3. Just as good or better at QB is subject to opinion, and currently we have zero, zip, nada as proof that this is the case. This is an opinion of Bruce, which you shockingly take as gospel.

But aside from that, roll with it Skippy. Because while you spent the past three years tearing down the QB and waiting expectantly for him to slip up, I expect you will cling to Alex Smiths jock tighter than underwear two sizes to small.

1.Kiem already said its close to 5m per season.

2. It was already reported by KC's agent that KC was bound for FA

3. The proof is what AS has done in his career

Never teared down KC, just he isnt worth the gmoney contract. I will evaluate AS the same as KC.

 

[Sharkinva]

1.Kiem already said its close to 5m per season.

2. It was already reported by KC's agent that KC was bound for FA

3. The proof is what AS has done in his career

Never teared down KC, just he isnt worth the gmoney contract. I will evaluate AS the same as KC.

Kiem needs to fix his calculator. Because in no world does 82-71=15. Hell if you spread it over the five years smith is signed for 11/5=2.2 per year difference.

2. KC wanted to hit FA because thats exactly what Bruce was striving for, he never wanted to sign him long term period.

3. Smith has done dick for the Redskins. If every free agent we signed was proof greatness because of what he did with his last team, well just recently Pryor would be our starting WR wouldnt he.

4. Dude, you in particular seemed to be waiting for Cousins to have a bad game just to proclaim he isnt worth keeping. You made every attempt to dry bitch and proclaim... well I like him but here is why we shouldnt keep him. If that is supporting your QB, I would be interested to see how you talk about a player you actually dont like... oh wait, you wish injury on them and complain that the team made a mistake ever even getting them.. so never mind that.

 

[deanpet21]

Kiem needs to fix his calculator. Because in no world does 82-71=15. Hell if you spread it over the five years smith is signed for 11/5=2.2 per year difference.

2. KC wanted to hit FA because thats exactly what Bruce was striving for, he never wanted to sign him long term period.

3. Smith has done dick for the Redskins. If every free agent we signed was proof greatness because of what he did with his last team, well just recently Pryor would be our starting WR wouldnt he.

4. Dude, you in particular seemed to be waiting for Cousins to have a bad game just to proclaim he isnt worth keeping. You made every attempt to dry bitch and proclaim... well I like him but here is why we shouldnt keep him. If that is supporting your QB, I would be interested to see how you talk about a player you actually dont like... oh wait, you wish injury on them and complain that the team made a mistake ever even getting them.. so never mind that.

espn just had an article comparing the two deals. I evaluated KC fairly well he played well and when he didn't play well. A lot of posters on here said he couldn't do no wrong. You guys take what happened in 2015 an just bring it up anytime when KC falters. Plus you refuse to admit that KC didn't even want to be here the last two seasons. So how do you expect Bruce to give him a LTD to a player when he didn't even want to be here?

You justifying KC gmoney contract is just hilarious. His cap hits in the first three years are all higher than AS's. The Vikings will lose key players b/c of that deal. Everyone has been reporting the AS deal was more than fair and team friendly but of course you don't see that. You immediately bring up KC and 2015. Give me a break.

 

[ehb5]

If I am the giants I take SB, if I am the browns i take SB and then qb at 4,

Those are both bad ideas imo

 

[ehb5]

If the Browns don't take Barkley 1st and a QB 4th then they are the dumbest franchise in history

I think you mean if they DO do that...

 

[Rowdy]

Kiem needs to fix his calculator. Because in no world does 82-71=15. Hell if you spread it over the five years smith is signed for 11/5=2.2 per year difference.

2. KC wanted to hit FA because thats exactly what Bruce was striving for, he never wanted to sign him long term period.

3. Smith has done dick for the Redskins. If every free agent we signed was proof greatness because of what he did with his last team, well just recently Pryor would be our starting WR wouldnt he.

4. Dude, you in particular seemed to be waiting for Cousins to have a bad game just to proclaim he isnt worth keeping. You made every attempt to dry bitch and proclaim... well I like him but here is why we shouldnt keep him. If that is supporting your QB, I would be interested to see how you talk about a player you actually dont like... oh wait, you wish injury on them and complain that the team made a mistake ever even getting them.. so never mind that.

28x3=84 not 82. Just to help with this debate a little. BTW, don’t have a dog in this fight, but I’m happy to root for Smith

 

[skinsdad62]

Those are both bad ideas imo

explain ?

 

[Caliskinsfan]

Here’s the Keim article... also Kirk’s contract is 84 fwiw

Kirk Cousins and Alex Smith's contracts side-by-side: Who did better?

One part in all this that is rarely brought up is

Excerpt...

The Redskins didn't want to pay Cousins' three-year, $58.5 million in guaranteed money at the end of the 2015 season.

However, had they accepted those terms, they would have needed to sign Cousins after this season anyway -- though they would have had an option to use the franchise tag for a first time. Either way, a long-term deal would have been tough, given where the market is headed, their thoughts on Cousins' talent and how his side wanted to get the fully guaranteed money.

 

[Sharkinva]

espn just had an article comparing the two deals. I evaluated KC fairly well he played well and when he didn't play well. A lot of posters on here said he couldn't do no wrong. You guys take what happened in 2015 an just bring it up anytime when KC falters. Plus you refuse to admit that KC didn't even want to be here the last two seasons. So how do you expect Bruce to give him a LTD to a player when he didn't even want to be here?

You justifying KC gmoney contract is just hilarious. His cap hits in the first three years are all higher than AS's. The Vikings will lose key players b/c of that deal. Everyone has been reporting the AS deal was more than fair and team friendly but of course you don't see that. You immediately bring up KC and 2015. Give me a break.

You refuse to accept that the REASON Kirk didnt want to be here is because the front office at every turn showed that they didnt really want him and only dealt with him because they didnt have a choice at the time.

Secondly.... funny that the Vikings paid Kirk MORE and yet still have MORE cap space now and over the next two seasons projected than the Redskins. So I know that was one of your key cling points that Cousins contract would put what ever team in cap hell...

 

[Sharkinva]

28x3=84 not 82. Just to help with this debate a little. BTW, don’t have a dog in this fight, but I’m happy to root for Smith

Guaranteed money, which was Deans big whoopi

Kirk Cousins signed a three year, $84 million contract with the Vikings on March 15, 2018. $82.5 million of the contract is fully guaranteed

And Im happy to pull for the Redskins. Have never been a fan of Smith and I do in fact think he is being over rated. Just because he signs with the Redskins does not automatically change my opinion of him. And nothing Bruce has done to date has changed my opinion of him.

 

[ehb5]

explain ?

A RB in the top 5 is a bad idea. There's guaranteed to be somebody worth more with that pick. A franchise QB blows a RB out of the water no matter how good that RB prospect is.

 

[skinsdad62]

1.Kiem already said its close to 5m per season.

2. It was already reported by KC's agent that KC was bound for FA

3. The proof is what AS has done in his career

Never teared down KC, just he isnt worth the gmoney contract. I will evaluate AS the same as KC.

i have proven by numbers that KC outshines smith in virtually every area that can be measured . smith iswhat he is a decent qb who wont lose games for you but wont win them either

i was promised better if i followed that KC wasnt worth it . based on you own standards you traded one bus driver for another

if CDC was a free agent signing i wouldnt be so pissed but that trade hurt this team and made it worse

 

[skinsdad62]

A RB in the top 5 is a bad idea. There's guaranteed to be somebody worth more with that pick. A franchise QB blows a RB out of the water no matter how good that RB prospect is.

the BPA is always worth the pick . the qbs at the top are all about even ,so these guys will get a good qb to grow with

 

[ehb5]

the BPA is always worth the pick . the qbs at the top are all about even ,so these guys will get a good qb to grow with

What if the bpa is a punter.

Positions matter, that's just a fact. Everybody knows that, it's why positional pay is such a big deal and why every team freaks out about Qbs, and CBs, and LTs. A RB helps you win less than the other options, won't last as long, and is far more easily replaced than the other positions.

 

[Skins2021]

What if the bpa is a punter.

Positions matter, that's just a fact. Everybody knows that, it's why positional pay is such a big deal and why every team freaks out about Qbs, and CBs, and LTs. A RB helps you win less than the other options, won't last as long, and is far more easily replaced than the other positions.

The league is all about trends.... right now the trend is that the gap has closed between LT and RT.

Guards are starting to be valued more

Safeties and Inside backers are being valued less

The value for RBs, as any skins fan at this point should understand, has really begun to shoot back up. Barkley at #1 is not unreasonable just because you can sign a Lagerrette Blount or a Carlos Hyde

 

[Niner Outlaw]

Those are both bad ideas imo

I agree. The Browns need a QB and they have the pick of the litter in a QB-rich draft. They'll make the smart move (for the 1st time ever?) and take a QB at 1. It's almost certain to be Darnold. Then, at 4, if Barkley is there they take him or Chubb or they trade down to a team that wants the last of the big 4 Qbs. Landing the pick of the litter at QB and the best player in the draft in Barkley is a GM's wet dream.

As for the Giants, I will be stunned if they don't take a QB at 2 or trade down for a King's ransom. I don't think the Giants FO isn't the type to take a RB at 2nd overall in a RB-deep draft.

 

[Niner Outlaw]

the BPA is always worth the pick . the qbs at the top are all about even ,so these guys will get a good qb to grow with

I couldn't disagree more. Darnold and Rosen are the best 2 QB prospects. Allen and Mayfield (in either order) are definitely the 3rd and 4th best QB. I'd much rather have the best QB from this draft than the best RB.