Grap signed

[deanpet21]

OK... the question becomes..

What does Smith bring besides the chance that we wouldnt get worse?? Because to me this sounds like a classic lower your expectations type answer. We were told countless times moving on from Cousins would make us a better team ON the field.

Now we are being told that moving to Smith primarily was to keep us from becoming a worse team. Cousins is gone, good for him. According to the agenda around here, just the fact that he was going to be gone was supposed to be good for the Redskins. Yet now what Smith brings to the table is not a guaranteed upgrade, but a guaranteed we wont get worse??

I think Smith bring a lot to the. Smart, efficient, mobile QB who protects the ball. How are those bad things. I just posted a video that the writes says we should be patting ourselves on the our back b/c we didnt get into this crazy numbers game.

 

[Niner Outlaw]

Jimmy Garoppolo is due $42.6 million in the first year of his five-year, $137.5 million contract.

The 49ers have nearly $80 million in available cap space, so it makes sense for them to front-load Garoppolo's contract. Garoppolo will then earn $18.6 million in 2019 before taking home another $25.2 million in 2020. It's a huge financial commitment for a player who's made just seven career starts, but if Garoppolo plays the way he did last season, he'll be worth the money.


Source: Adam Schefter on Twitter
Feb 9 - 1:49 PM

Nice to see my numbers are right, though I did have to use a calculator!

 

[Niner Outlaw]

Do we knows Smiths cap hit in years 1 and 2?

Grop's numbers came out b/c the contract is "officially done." Since Smith's deal can't be officially done until the new league year, we might not know anything for a few more weeks.

 

[deanpet21]

Grop's numbers came out b/c the contract is "officially done." Since Smith's deal can't be officially done until the new league year, we might not know anything for a few more weeks.

so graps cap number is 37 in year one. Smith might be 23. Is that a fair statement? KC cap number in year one could be 42. So that could be almost DOUBLED than Smiths. lol

 

[Niner Outlaw]

This franchise is under the consistent delusion that spending big money in free agency is the right way to do long term business.

All the smart people keep saying that the best way to run a team is to resign your young stars early. That only works if you don't suck at drafting like the Niners did for the better part of a decade.

 

[deanpet21]

All the smart people keep saying that the best way to run a team is to resign your young stars early. That only works if you don't suck at drafting like the Niners did for the better part of a decade.

In your opinion this was the better route than to draft a QB at #2 last year?

 

[Niner Outlaw]

so graps cap number is 37 in year one. Smith might be 23. Is that a fair statement? KC cap number in year one could be 42. So that could be almost DOUBLED than Smiths. lol

While Jimmy's first year cap number is a very high 37M, his 2nd year cap number is only 20M. Like Shefty just said, frontloading a deal makes sense ONLY for teams with tons of cap space (Browns, Niners, Jets).

According to Sportrac, the Skins are projected to have 31M in space. So front-loading makes no sense for ya'll. I think it's fair to expect Smith's first year cap number to be at least 20, but no higher than 23.

As for Cousins' cap number? Depends on where he lands. If he goes to Denver, he'll have a rather low first year cap number b/c they don't have a lot of space. If he lands in Cleveland, then his first year cap number will be BIG! 42 would not be unrealistic.

Comparing first year cap figures only makes sense when comparing teams with somewhat similar cap space. If KC lands in Denver, Buffalo, or Arizona, then it's totally fair to compare his number to Smith's b/c the team's cap space are in the same ballpark, but if Cousins cashes in in Cleveland, then you're comparing apples to oranges.

 

[deanpet21]

While Jimmy's first year cap number is a very high 37M, his 2nd year cap number is only 20M. Like Shefty just said, frontloading a deal makes sense ONLY for teams with tons of cap space (Browns, Niners, Jets).

According to Sportrac, the Skins are projected to have 31M in space. So front-loading makes no sense for ya'll. I think it's fair to expect Smith's first year cap number to be at least 20, but no higher than 23.

As for Cousins' cap number? Depends on where he lands. If he goes to Denver, he'll have a rather low first year cap number b/c they don't have a lot of space. If he lands in Cleveland, then his first year cap number will be BIG! 42 would not be unrealistic.

Comparing first year cap figures only makes sense when comparing teams with somewhat similar cap space. If KC lands in Denver, Buffalo, or Arizona, then it's totally fair to compare his number to Smith's b/c the team's cap space are in the same ballpark, but if Cousins cashes in in Cleveland, then you're comparing apples to oranges.

If KC lands in Cle I would compare that we got just as good or better QB for half the price. Fair statement?

 

[skinsdad62]

I remember you saying we are the browns without KC. That is hilarious. So according to you we are an 0-16 team in 2018.

are you really that much of a simpleton ? try to keep up

 

[skinsdad62]

While Jimmy's first year cap number is a very high 37M, his 2nd year cap number is only 20M. Like Shefty just said, frontloading a deal makes sense ONLY for teams with tons of cap space (Browns, Niners, Jets).

According to Sportrac, the Skins are projected to have 31M in space. So front-loading makes no sense for ya'll. I think it's fair to expect Smith's first year cap number to be at least 20, but no higher than 23.

As for Cousins' cap number? Depends on where he lands. If he goes to Denver, he'll have a rather low first year cap number b/c they don't have a lot of space. If he lands in Cleveland, then his first year cap number will be BIG! 42 would not be unrealistic.

Comparing first year cap figures only makes sense when comparing teams with somewhat similar cap space. If KC lands in Denver, Buffalo, or Arizona, then it's totally fair to compare his number to Smith's b/c the team's cap space are in the same ballpark, but if Cousins cashes in in Cleveland, then you're comparing apples to oranges.

i think that cap number is after the CDC deal . it was 54 mil going into the off season

 

[Niner Outlaw]

In your opinion this was the better route than to draft a QB at #2 last year?

Without a doubt--it's not even close for me. I was not high on any of the QBs in last year's draft. Shanny reportedly was very high on Grop when he came out in 2014, so it's apparent that the FO had significantly higher grades on Grop than they did on Trub, Watson, Mahomes, etc. If I was gonna draft a QB, it would be this year and w/o Grop, we'd have been picking in the top 3.

I fully expected the Niners to wait until March 2018 and sign Cousins, so I was shocked when the news broke that we traded for Grop. Last year at this time, I was willing to trade the 34th overall pick for Cousins, but not the #2.

 

[skinsdad62]

I think Smith bring a lot to the. Smart, efficient, mobile QB who protects the ball. How are those bad things. I just posted a video that the writes says we should be patting ourselves on the our back b/c we didnt get into this crazy numbers game.

KC is smart, efficient , mobile and takes care of the football so does bradford and taylor and AJ and keenum

 

[deanpet21]

Without a doubt--it's not even close for me. I was not high on any of the QBs in last year's draft. Shanny reportedly was very high on Grop when he came out in 2014, so it's apparent that the FO had significantly higher grades on Grop than they did on Trub, Watson, Mahomes, etc. If I was gonna draft a QB, it would be this year and w/o Grop, we'd have been picking in the top 3.

I fully expected the Niners to wait until March 2018 and sign Cousins, so I was shocked when the news broke that we traded for Grop. Last year at this time, I was willing to trade the 34th overall pick for Cousins, but not the #2.

So there was a higher draft grade on Grap than Trib, Watson, and Mahomes?

 

[Niner Outlaw]

If KC lands in Cle I would compare that we got just as good or better QB for half the price. Fair statement?

No, b/c you're not getting Smith for half of what Cousins is getting paid. That confuses 1 year's cap number with annual average salary, guaranteed amounts, contract structure and total value.

A better comparison is probably averaging the cap numbers for the first 3 years for both players and then comparing those. That would help take into account the differences in cap space between the Browns and Skins, thereby making it a more fair and applicable comparison.

For example, Jimmy's cap number seems huge at 37, but his cap number over the first 3 years averages "only" 27.8M. The same will be true of Cousins and Smith. While Smith's first year cap number with the Skins will be 20-23, his 2nd year cap number will almost certainly be higher than that. On the flipside, is Cousins, who in Cleveland would have a huge 1st year cap #, but a significantly lower 2nd year cap #.

 

[Niner Outlaw]

i think that cap number is after the CDC deal . it was 54 mil going into the off season

I'll bet you're right b/c they just had 54 up the other day. Good catch.

 

[gkekoa]

so graps cap number is 37 in year one. Smith might be 23. Is that a fair statement? KC cap number in year one could be 42. So that could be almost DOUBLED than Smiths. lol

It could be doubled. The 9ers signed him for a big year one hit because they had a good bit over 100 mil in cap room.

 

[Niner Outlaw]

So there was a higher draft grade on Grap than Trib, Watson, and Mahomes?

I don't mean coming out of college. I mean that the Niner FO liked Grop, the 3rd year Patriot, more than the Qbs entering the draft in 2017, particularly when Grop would only cost a 2nd and the rookies would cost a very high 1st (though we didn't do much with our first anyway, LOL).

 

[Sharkinva]

I think Smith bring a lot to the. Smart, efficient, mobile QB who protects the ball. How are those bad things. I just posted a video that the writes says we should be patting ourselves on the our back b/c we didnt get into this crazy numbers game.

You posted it because it agrees with your line of thinking.

What Smith doesnt bring is everything you guys swore we needed above Kirk. That being the ability to carry the team.

It will be interesting to see how smart and efficient Smith is playing with a defense that has a tendency to let the game get out of hand. Its rather telling that 65-70% of Cousins INTs are thrown in games where we are trying to come from behind.

My thought is, if the defense doesnt improve dramatically, by mid season the party line will be.. we arent losing because of Smith, he needs more help.

 

[Stymietee]

Or he makes enough money that he could charter a private plane any time he wanted to get home for the weekend.

Just saying. I realize the Browns would so validate the mantra that its all about the Money with Cousins, and it may well be. I also know that some are hoping he goes there because simply put no one succeeds in Cleveland.

But Im thinking if he has other options, the Browns might be on the list.... but they are not likely high up on the list.

You've made it clear that you believe his best chances at success are not I n Cleveland, I think Cleveland has more upside for Kirk than any place else in the NFL, and NO it's not all about the money, or any single thing, but a conglomeration of things that convinces me of this. Sure he could charter a flight home, but to use that as some sort of rationale against the very real possibility that he would choose to be 381 miles from home instead of 1,003 miles which it is from Denver, 1,097 miles from Jacksonville or 1,771 miles from Glendale Arizona discounts the value in being near home and family that often goes into decisions like the one that Kirk, and (this is important) his family now face.

Keep in mind that you're responding to me, and there's nothing in any of my posts that suggest that I've mentioned that it's all about money for Kirk. Maybe it's true "for some" that he goes to there because "simply put no one succeeds in Cleveland" but I assure you Cleveland is where the greatest upside for success lies for him. The are 4-44 in two years, LeBron is on the way out, a mere 8-8 season gets them erecting statues for Cousins. Anything more and new births will find the most popular male name is Kirk.

 

[Sharkinva]

You've made it clear that you believe his best chances at success are not I n Cleveland, I think Cleveland has more upside for Kirk than any place else in the NFL, and NO it's not all about the money, or any single thing, but a conglomeration of things that convinces me of this. Sure he could charter a flight home, but to use that as some sort of rationale against the very real possibility that he would choose to be 381 miles from home instead of 1,003 miles which it is from Denver, 1,097 miles from Jacksonville or 1,771 miles from Glendale Arizona discounts the value in being near home and family that often goes into decisions like the one that Kirk, and (this is important) his family now face.

Keep in mind that you're responding to me, and there's nothing in any of my posts that suggest that I've mentioned that it's all about money for Kirk. Maybe it's true "for some" that he goes to there because "simply put no one succeeds in Cleveland" but I assure you Cleveland is where the greatest upside for success lies for him. The are 4-44 in two years, LeBron is on the way out, a mere 8-8 season gets them erecting statues for Cousins. Anything more and new births will find the most popular male name is Kirk.

Aside from the coach and afew players, the Browns are in total rebuild mode. That alone says that success is unlikely. At least the kind of success required for people to admit Cousins is more than a below average QB who just happened to hit free agency at the right time.

Save the reverse psychology tricks for the millenials of the board Sty.. IM not buying it.