Four QB's in the top 10?

[SteelersPride]

As an FSU fan, I watch a lot of ACC football. I don't read the stats to form my opinion, I actually watch the games. As talented of an athlete LJ is, he is not a very accurate passer. In his 3 years at Louisville, LJ's had NFL talent to throw the ball to...Allen has not.

hes also played against nfl talent............just throwing that out there

 

[Sharkinva]

actually im not a fan of running qb's, but you certainly dont know much about jackson, thats ok, you can type paragraphs

Fair enough. Then I will simply ask you the same question I have asked others who have floated the concept that Jackson might be a good idea.

Aside from the imagine if it works factor.

What logical reason is there to want to draft a running QB that weighs in at less than 220lbs based on the history of the majority of QBs that fit this mold?? Now in another 10 years, when they make it illegal to even touch a QB in any way shape or form.. guys like this will be all the rage. But right now, playing style, size and history lead me to think its a bad idea, especially for a team that's looking for a QB that can carry the team single handedly.

 

[SteelersPride]

Fair enough. Then I will simply ask you the same question I have asked others who have floated the concept that Jackson might be a good idea.

Aside from the imagine if it works factor.

What logical reason is there to want to draft a running QB that weighs in at less than 220lbs based on the history of the majority of QBs that fit this mold?? Now in another 10 years, when they make it illegal to even touch a QB in any way shape or form.. guys like this will be all the rage. But right now, playing style, size and history lead me to think its a bad idea, especially for a team that's looking for a QB that can carry the team single handedly.

you do realize im not suggesting to draft him. I am suggesting he may be better than allen...........

 

[Sharkinva]

you do realize im not suggesting to draft him. I am suggesting he may be better than allen...........

Well on this we agree. He might be. But of the two I would still take Allen if I had to choose between the two for this team.

 

[SteelersPride]

Well on this we agree. He might be. But of the two I would still take Allen if I had to choose between the two for this team.

i think u need firecracker someone to just be the face , lead, and just flat out F shit up, you know who

 

[gkekoa]

again check the kid from western kentucky

Again...just answer the question.

Where do these guys go?

Sam Darnold
Josh Rosen
Josh Allen
Lamar Jackson
Baker Mayfield


Does any QB not mentioned get drafted above one of these five? That way we can find out if these five were overhyped by the media, particularly Allen, or if you are overhyping a certain player.

 

[Sharkinva]

i think u need firecracker someone to just be the face , lead, and just flat out F shit up, you know who

And I think based on this teams history, that guy is likely the worst possible idea at this point in time.

 

[SteelersPride]

Again...just answer the question.

Where do these guys go?

Sam Darnold
Josh Rosen
Josh Allen
Lamar Jackson
Baker Mayfield


Does any QB not mentioned get drafted above one of these five? That way we can find out if these five were overhyped by the media, particularly Allen, or if you are overhyping a certain player.

you want exact teams, i refuse to do that this early in the process

 

[SteelersPride]

And I think based on this teams history, that guy is likely the worst possible idea at this point in time.

ok draft rosen, allen darnold . no one else

 

[gkekoa]

actually im not a fan of running qb's, but you certainly dont know much about jackson, thats ok, you can type paragraphs

This is what we know about Lamar Jackson and these facts are indisputable.

Approximately 6’3” 210 pounds...officially wont know until the combine.
He is extremely fast, approximately 4.4 speed.
He is extremely quick and illusive.
He has a big arm with accuracy issues.

Approximately 30% of the offense he supplies directly comes from his legs. His legs are a huge part of his game.


Now for a little conjecture. Considering 30% of his game comes from his legs directly, I would propose that close to 65% of his game is a result of his legs and I may be low balling it. If you make him a statue, I bet he sucks far worse than you can possibly imagine.

 

[Sharkinva]

ok draft rosen, allen darnold . no one else

Rosen and Darnold likely wont be there unless we trade up.

Allen might be there, and I would only grudgingly roll with it because I think Mayfield might be more talented, but I'm also not a fan of QBs shorter than me.

IN a perfect world, Bruce swallows his pride and resigns Cousins and we use that #13 pick to add a stud to the defense which is where this teams real issues are.

 

[gkekoa]

you want exact teams, i refuse to do that this early in the process

I want exact rankings of where you think they will go in the draft process. I know it is impossible to know where teams will actually draft, especially with regards to QBs.

My point is, if you are going to make statements such as Allen is just being overhyped by the media and the NFL won’t fall for it, you should back it up with concrete statements on where you stand.

 

[Sharkinva]

ok draft rosen, allen darnold . no one else

I will also say this... If they don't resign Cousins, and Darnold or Rosen some how manage to slip and we take them... that would make Bruce Allen the second luckiest improbable asshole in America. We got some what lucky last year in the draft with Allen slipping.... lightning rarely strikes the same spot twice.

 

[Breed]

I will also say this... If they don't resign Cousins, and Darnold or Rosen some how manage to slip and we take them... that would make Bruce Allen the second luckiest improbable asshole in America. We got some what lucky last year in the draft with Allen slipping.... lightning rarely strikes the same spot twice.

You think Darnold and Rosen are gonna be NFL studs?

 

[Sharkinva]

You think Darnold and Rosen are gonna be NFL studs?

I think one of the pair is going to turn out to be very good provided they get with the right coach. And I think either of them would actually do very well in our offense.

But its a matter of cost. If we have to trade up, or even continue to ignore the rest of the team to get the QB... my gut tells me it will probably fail.

 

[Breed]

you forgot bobby douglas of the bears

Heh. I actually thought about him, but he was just too terrible a passer.

 

[Breed]

Ehh. I think there are a few others you could count but regardless it's clear that being a quality passer is the key. I think Jackson is a better passer than Allen and certainly is worth a look as a QB for a team. Maybe he'll bust maybe he won' but he's not some gimmick athlete who just happens to play qb.

Being a quality passer is not necessarily the key. Griffin was a quality passer. He failed to develop any type of pocket presence and his route progression was for shit.

 

[Breed]

Why can't Jackson fit a timing and precision based offense but Allen can?

True. All offense in a sense is timing. Can either one (Jackson or Allen) go to their 2nd read if the 1st read isn't there. Their 3rd read if the 2nd read isn't there etc.

 

[Breed]

I think one of the pair is going to turn out to be very good provided they get with the right coach. And I think either of them would actually do very well in our offense.

But its a matter of cost. If we have to trade up, or even continue to ignore the rest of the team to get the QB... my gut tells me it will probably fail.

If by very good you mean capable of winning a Super Bowl and you think Gruden is the right coach. Giving up a little more shouldn't be a deal killer for you. That's like saying QB X is good enough to win a Super Bowl, but you're only gonna draft him if he doesn't cost you an extra pick in the draft. Surely an extra pick is worth trading away for a QB capable of competing for a Super Bowl.

 

[ehb5]

Being a quality passer is not necessarily the key. Griffin was a quality passer. He failed to develop any type of pocket presence and his route progression was for shit.

Thats what I meant by passer - just the passing aspect of the game. Obviously he had all the physical tools you could ever need.