Four QB's in the top 10?

[SteelersPride]

he had a bad team

So what against bad competition, ur making excuses for him

 

[SteelersPride]

Good team last year j same story

 

[ehb5]

As follows year to year at Louisville - 54.7%, 56.2%, and 59.1%. That's improvement, but imo not much improvement. His career best of last year was good for 55th in the nation last year. Some of the others, Darnold, 63.1% last year and Rosen, 62.6% last year, 60.9% for his career aren't much better.

Not mobile QBs, homey. Running QBs. And its because running QBs have shown historically to be not very good passing QBs, unable to develop a necessary pocket presence, get hurt too much. I can only think of three that have sustained a high level of successs for a significant period of time. Steve Young, who developed into a great QB who could pass from the pocket, and Russell Wilson, who is arguably the best and smartest running QB to ever play the game and Cam who is a freak of nature.

There have been some that had success for a small window of time. Kordell, Randall, Vick, and Jim Harbaugh with the Colts for a season. Some might even include Tim Tebow and I wouldn't get mad or disagree too vehemently. Maybe there are more, but I can't think of anymore.

Ehh. I think there are a few others you could count but regardless it's clear that being a quality passer is the key. I think Jackson is a better passer than Allen and certainly is worth a look as a QB for a team. Maybe he'll bust maybe he won' but he's not some gimmick athlete who just happens to play qb.

 

[ehb5]

Oh, and I should say. Stats and stats alone aren't the measure of whether or not a college QB will become a good/great NFL QB. Oklahoma QBs always seem to put up great numbers. Who was the last great QB from Oklahoma? Troy Aikman, perhaps.

Sure it shouldn' be purely statistical imo but we can also look at stats and compare to what successful qbs did in college and every time I've seen anybody make any kind of statistical analysis like that Allen comes up alarmingly short of where he should be.

 

[ehb5]

he had a bad team

He also played bad teams

 

[ehb5]

Allen is more the drop back QB so he would more closely fit. As I said I am not advocating for either guy.

They both are capable of dropping back, that's a pretty simple skill.

 

[gkekoa]

So what against bad competition, ur making excuses for him

If Peyton Manning has WRs that can’t get open, how do you think he would do? The defenses Allen played against were far superior to the team playing around him.

 

[SteelersPride]

If Peyton Manning has WRs that can’t get open, how do you think he would do? The defenses Allen played against were far superior to the team playing around him.

Again, what about last year

 

[deanpet21]

So what against bad competition, ur making excuses for him

The guy is a top 6 pick. Are you really arguing this? Could go #$1 overall. lol

 

[SteelersPride]

The guy is a top 6 pick. Are you really arguing this? Could go #$1 overall. lol

Yes are u really arguing pure media bias

 

[Sharkinva]

The guy is a top 6 pick. Are you really arguing this? Could go #$1 overall. lol

Wait.. who are we saying is a top six pick?? Allen or Jackson??

 

[SteelersPride]

Wait.. who are we saying is a top six pick?? Allen or Jackson??

Allen

 

[Sportster 72]

You can turn this any way you want. They are different style QBs with similar results except for the 1,300 yars LJ has over JA. One played better competition but he also had better talent surrounding him. We can go on and on and on .......

I still prefer Cousin's back so really this doesn't matter much to me.

 

[SteelersPride]

Cousins is best I agree

 

[Sharkinva]

Cousins is best I agree

that depends on what your plan going forward is.

If the Redskins plan to compete this coming season, they need to find a way to get Cousins signed long term.

If its a rebuild/transition season. Either let him go or tag him and draft some one at QB.

Still got a bad feeling they will end up needing to trade up to get the QB they want.

 

[skinsdad62]

As follows year to year at Louisville - 54.7%, 56.2%, and 59.1%. That's improvement, but imo not much improvement. His career best of last year was good for 55th in the nation last year. Some of the others, Darnold, 63.1% last year and Rosen, 62.6% last year, 60.9% for his career aren't much better.

Not mobile QBs, homey. Running QBs. And its because running QBs have shown historically to be not very good passing QBs, unable to develop a necessary pocket presence, get hurt too much. I can only think of three that have sustained a high level of successs for a significant period of time. Steve Young, who developed into a great QB who could pass from the pocket, and Russell Wilson, who is arguably the best and smartest running QB to ever play the game and Cam who is a freak of nature.

There have been some that had success for a small window of time. Kordell, Randall, Vick, and Jim Harbaugh with the Colts for a season. Some might even include Tim Tebow and I wouldn't get mad or disagree too vehemently. Maybe there are more, but I can't think of anymore.

you forgot bobby douglas of the bears

 

[skinsdad62]

both guys pass under 60 and the 2.9 % difference is stupid to debate , neither is more accurate what allen showed at the sr bowl is he needs some work on touch and processing and it improved over the week

so far the same issue had coming into last season are the same ones he left with , accuracy , processing , manipulating defenders in the pass game , recognizing pro defenses . talent he has however you will have to change our offense to fit jackson in because he doesnt fit our timing based precision read offense

 

[ehb5]

The guy is a top 6 pick. Are you really arguing this? Could go #$1 overall. lol

So did jamarcus Russell. He was big with a strong arm.

 

[ehb5]

both guys pass under 60 and the 2.9 % difference is stupid to debate , neither is more accurate what allen showed at the sr bowl is he needs some work on touch and processing and it improved over the week

so far the same issue had coming into last season are the same ones he left with , accuracy , processing , manipulating defenders in the pass game , recognizing pro defenses . talent he has however you will have to change our offense to fit jackson in because he doesnt fit our timing based precision read offense

Why can't Jackson fit a timing and precision based offense but Allen can?

 

[Sharkinva]

Why can't Jackson fit a timing and precision based offense but Allen can?

Maybe because that's not what his game is based on. And trying to make him into a pocket passer is kinda like this...