So the PAC 12 has no shot at the Playoff.

[Wamu]

Agree. Teams can evolve or "devolve" as a season plays out. Last year, after 4 games, USC looked a lot more liuke one of the 4 worst teams in the nation, but finished looking like one of the 4 best.

Imo, an 8 team playoff would allow for all P5 champs to get into the playoff, plus a couple of "at large" bids for teams who have shown themselves to be a lot batter at the end of the season than the beginning.

In before any SEC fans say the 3 at large bids should come from that conference every year.

 

[rmilia1]

I would add that USC would need to win out in impressive fashion. Close call wins, like most of ours have been, won't get it done.

It's actually not too far fetched . Big thing is for ND to lose, OSU to lose to Kichigan but still win B10 and for Bama to win out. All those things alone are reasonably possible . If you parlayed them together your looking at 15 or 20 to 1 probably .

 

[TROJAN-MAN]

And the B1G has an OOC win better than the Pac 12's. By 19 points.

With that logic USC has losses to 2 ranked opponents, while OSU 2 losses were from OU and Iowa, and where is Iowa ranked?

 

[TROJAN-MAN]

lol. You're going to great lengths to try and pimp up UVA. Christ. If you're going to say UVA is better than Boise State this season, it's gotta be the same for your own team, or you're a hypocrite.

He did this same shit last year and his team was ass rap*ed in the play off game

 

[TROJAN-MAN]

I don't disagree. It just seems like overall, there hasn't been a team in the Pac 12 who has put together a very impressive win, let alone an entire season. Washington and USC have both taken steps back. I know USC is 9-2, but they haven't looked good at all. Their best win is a 42-24 win over Stanford, who has shown that without Bryce Love, they are horrible. Thankfully he only missed the game vs. the worst Pac 12 team and arguably the worst P5 team, and Stanford still only escaped by 1 point. Meanwhile Washington hasn't had a good win all year.

I think that's why USC is out of the top 10, and it would appear that they're the only team in the conference that has a chance to be top 10. Meanwhile, all the other conferences have multiple teams in or around the top 10.

WTF are you talking about love had 160 yards against SC

 

[TROJAN-MAN]

The best thing for you guys would've been for Washington and USC not to look like garbage against bad teams this year. It would be much better for those two and Stanford and Wazzou to have 10-11 wins each while the bad teams stay bad. Otherwise it just looks like your conference is mediocre, which is the case.

Looking like garbage against bad teams, you mean like ND 35 points. Like you say, well ND was Just better that, right, or maybe WSU by 3 points on the road for both. OSU lost at home and on the road bigley

 

[TROJAN-MAN]

They're not that good with him either.

Which is it? Spin spin

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

The ND thing is going to just have to be your opinion, I guess. If the committee sees better losses as being the only important thing, then they'll get in.

Why does a win over unranked Va Tech matter? Again, one ranked win for the whole year with no conference title. Not playoff-worthy.

OSU needs to win out along with Bama, Clemson, and Oklahoma. It's pretty much just that simple. At that point, you're looking at teams with no conference title and the same amount of losses, or a 1-loss team without a conference title and 1 ranked win. Those won't win out over Ohio State.

Obviously not having a conference title means very little. (OSU got in without even playing in a CCG last year).

And if you are calling VaTech unranked — was it unranked Iowa that scored 55 on OSU and won by 31? Can’t have it both ways, count Iowa as a ‘ranked win’ for OSU, but count it against another team if they drop out.

And if you think OSU winning out is all you need, you are going to be quite upset when it doesn’t go your way. I guarantee, I’m not the only one thinking along these same lines. What you haven’t grasped is — OSU didn’t just loss, they were hammered in their losses and one of them, they were completely embarrassed. If OSU had lost on last second drives or had the ball driving and lost — those can be looked past. You lost one by 31 and another that easily could have been worse than that.

 

[tnapucco]

IF USC wins out and some other shoes drop....they could still get in.



They would be clown shoes and there would be boatloads of them...but crazier shit has happened.

 

[Across The Field]

Obviously not having a conference title means very little. (OSU got in without even playing in a CCG last year).

And if you are calling VaTech unranked — was it unranked Iowa that scored 55 on OSU and won by 31? Can’t have it both ways, count Iowa as a ‘ranked win’ for OSU, but count it against another team if they drop out.

And if you think OSU winning out is all you need, you are going to be quite upset when it doesn’t go your way. I guarantee, I’m not the only one thinking along these same lines. What you haven’t grasped is — OSU didn’t just loss, they were hammered in their losses and one of them, they were completely embarrassed. If OSU had lost on last second drives or had the ball driving and lost — those can be looked past. You lost one by 31 and another that easily could have been worse than that.

Don't be an idiot. OSU got in because they had an 11-1 record and 3 top 10 wins with their only loss on the road against a top 5 team that was lost in the last minute on a blocked FG in a game they otherwise dominated. Nobody this year fits that bill.

Yes I'm calling them unranked because they're unranked. I'm not trying to have it both ways, and Iowa isn't a "ranked win" for OSU. What the fuck are you even talking about?

I think winning out is all they need because it's supported entirely by sound logic, not just the opinion of anti-OSU posters on a message board. What you haven't grasped is that the playoff is only a few years old. There is no iron-clad protocol that the ever-changing committee has to follow. They can put in whomever they want. It's laughable how people on here keep acting as if they're in the committee's head and spout off acting as if they know what's most and least important. Same shit was happening last year when I said OSU would get in regardless of the CCG situation because their resume was outstanding compared to Penn State. There is no team like 2016 Ohio State this year who is 11-1 with a close road loss at the last second who also has a top 10 offense/defense and 3 top 10 wins at year's end.

 

[Voltaire26]

The ND thing is going to just have to be your opinion, I guess. If the committee sees better losses as being the only important thing, then they'll get in.

Why does a win over unranked Va Tech matter? Again, one ranked win for the whole year with no conference title. Not playoff-worthy.

OSU needs to win out along with Bama, Clemson, and Oklahoma. It's pretty much just that simple. At that point, you're looking at teams with no conference title and the same amount of losses, or a 1-loss team without a conference title and 1 ranked win. Those won't win out over Ohio State.

Penn State has some of the best losses. If Alabama lost, I am sure those losses would be the worst losses ever. WTF

 

[Across The Field]

Penn State has some of the best losses. If Alabama lost, I am sure those losses would be the worst losses ever. WTF

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

Don't be an idiot. OSU got in because they had an 11-1 record and 3 top 10 wins with their only loss on the road against a top 5 team that was lost in the last minute on a blocked FG in a game they otherwise dominated. Nobody this year fits that bill.

Yes I'm calling them unranked because they're unranked. I'm not trying to have it both ways, and Iowa isn't a "ranked win" for OSU. What the fuck are you even talking about?

I think winning out is all they need because it's supported entirely by sound logic, not just the opinion of anti-OSU posters on a message board. What you haven't grasped is that the playoff is only a few years old. There is no iron-clad protocol that the ever-changing committee has to follow. They can put in whomever they want. It's laughable how people on here keep acting as if they're in the committee's head and spout off acting as if they know what's most and least important. Same shit was happening last year when I said OSU would get in regardless of the CCG situation because their resume was outstanding compared to Penn State. There is no team like 2016 Ohio State this year who is 11-1 with a close road loss at the last second who also has a top 10 offense/defense and 3 top 10 wins at year's end.

I brought up the ranked question because you said OSU and ND have the same type of schedule.

ND has or will play the #3, 7, 11, 17, 19 And 22nd teams (thru week 12 of the CFP)
OSU has or will play the #4, 5, 10, 17, And 24th teams

Wisconsin and Michigan play this week — so it could take OSU down to 4 ranked teams played or make the game against Wisconsin look much worse in the eyes of the committee, if UM beats Wisconsin.

So even if OSU played an extra game, it will STILL have played less ranked teams than ND. They also wouldn’t have the omen of a 30+ point loss to an unranked team.

And I’m speaking as a CFB fan — I supported OSU over PSU last year, as I thought they were the best team for the CFP spot. This year — the B1G is a train wreck and honestly, if I had to choose one team to play in the CFP — I’d take PSU, as at least their losses were competitive and they honestly should have won both games. I just don’t see any B1G team being top 4 worthy though.

 

[Across The Field]

I brought up the ranked question because you said OSU and ND have the same type of schedule.

ND has or will play the #3, 7, 11, 17, 19 And 22nd teams (thru week 12 of the CFP)
OSU has or will play the #4, 5, 10, 17, And 24th teams

Wisconsin and Michigan play this week — so it could take OSU down to 4 ranked teams played or make the game against Wisconsin look much worse in the eyes of the committee, if UM beats Wisconsin.

So even if OSU played an extra game, it will STILL have played less ranked teams than ND. They also wouldn’t have the omen of a 30+ point loss to an unranked team.

And I’m speaking as a CFB fan — I supported OSU over PSU last year, as I thought they were the best team for the CFP spot. This year — the B1G is a train wreck and honestly, if I had to choose one team to play in the CFP — I’d take PSU, as at least their losses were competitive and they honestly should have won both games. I just don’t see any B1G team being top 4 worthy though.

You're still not making sense about the B1G being a train wreck. I mean, which conference is better? We have 6 teams in the CFP rankings, more than anyone. It just doesn't make sense.

If OSU wins out and beats Wisconsin, they'll likely have two top 10 wins (Wisconsin, PSU) with 3-4 ranked wins overall (Michigan State, possibly but not likely michigan). They'll also have a conference championship and have had played a 13th game.

If ND wins out, they'll likely have (maybe) one top 10 win (USC), with 3-4 ranked wins overall (Michigan State, NC State, possibly but not likely Stanford). That's it.

I know you foolishly tried saying the committee doesn't think it's a big deal that a team wins their conference, but using a 1 out of 12 example is just ignorant.

Also, no, PSU should've lost to OSU by 14-17 points. We kept trying to get cute with our kickoffs, which is honestly what kept PSU in the game. If we'd of just been a normal team and let our kicker kick it into the end zone, that game isn't close. Look at the stats. We deserve it over them.

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

You're still not making sense about the B1G being a train wreck. I mean, which conference is better? We have 6 teams in the CFP rankings, more than anyone. It just doesn't make sense.

If OSU wins out and beats Wisconsin, they'll likely have two top 10 wins (Wisconsin, PSU) with 3-4 ranked wins overall (Michigan State, possibly but not likely michigan). They'll also have a conference championship and have had played a 13th game.

If ND wins out, they'll likely have (maybe) one top 10 win (USC), with 3-4 ranked wins overall (Michigan State, NC State, possibly but not likely Stanford). That's it.

I know you foolishly tried saying the committee doesn't think it's a big deal that a team wins their conference, but using a 1 out of 12 example is just ignorant.

Also, no, PSU should've lost to OSU by 14-17 points. We kept trying to get cute with our kickoffs, which is honestly what kept PSU in the game. If we'd of just been a normal team and let our kicker kick it into the end zone, that game isn't close. Look at the stats. We deserve it over them.

You notice how you have an excuse for every OSU loss or even a win if it wasn’t impressive? OU didn’t dominate you guys, they were only better for one quarter. You pull out a miracle win over PSU with two td’s in the final 4 1/2 minutes and it is OSU really should have won by 14-17, even though they trailed every second of the game sans the final minute or so. When you lost to PSU last year, it was a fluke. When you lost to MSU two years ago, it was the OC and play calling. It is always something.

Reality is — OU dominated almost the entire game AT OSU and OSU was lucky to have only lost by 15 (OU had 4 possessions in OSU territory end with zero points). The Iowa game looked like a complete mismatch — they ran the ball at will, they passed the ball at will and looked like thy were playing catch with JT Barrett on defense.

You keep talking about the 13th game, because that is your only hope. Let me ask you this — say TCU beats OU. Do you think OSU belongs in the CFP over OU? Your answer to that question will tell everyone if you are looking at this as a CFB fan or an OSU fan.

 

[wazzu31]

I'm still wond

lol Maybe the problem is that the bottom half of the B1G isn't as good as the bottom half of the PAC?

Although, I'm sure that if the top of the PAC beat the hell out of of the bottom of the PAC, you'd claim that it just means that the bottom of the PAC is really bad rather than the top being really good.

But we are leading the north and got skull dragged by a bottom feeder Cal team. No question the Pac 12's "bottom" is better than other conferences. The problem our conference has is Larry Scott is a complete moron who whored the conference out while putting the conference at a massive disadvantage of making the playoff.

 

[Across The Field]

You notice how you have an excuse for every OSU loss or even a win if it wasn’t impressive? OU didn’t dominate you guys, they were only better for one quarter. You pull out a miracle win over PSU with two td’s in the final 4 1/2 minutes and it is OSU really should have won by 14-17, even though they trailed every second of the game sans the final minute or so. When you lost to PSU last year, it was a fluke. When you lost to MSU two years ago, it was the OC and play calling. It is always something.

Reality is — OU dominated almost the entire game AT OSU and OSU was lucky to have only lost by 15 (OU had 4 possessions in OSU territory end with zero points). The Iowa game looked like a complete mismatch — they ran the ball at will, they passed the ball at will and looked like thy were playing catch with JT Barrett on defense.

You keep talking about the 13th game, because that is your only hope. Let me ask you this — say TCU beats OU. Do you think OSU belongs in the CFP over OU? Your answer to that question will tell everyone if you are looking at this as a CFB fan or an OSU fan.

OU won very impressively at our house, I've never once said anything to the contrary. However, that OU game, the MSU game in 2015, the MSU CCG in 2013, they all have one very important thing in common - we abandoned our RBs, which is the staple of our offense. I notice you can't even address my point about how we were running the ball at will on Oklahoma and inexplicably abandoned it when we had a 3 point lead in the 3rd quarter. We abandoned it in the MSU CCG game when we had a 7 point lead late in the 3rd quarter, even though to that point Hyde was running wild on them. Don't you notice that when we did that in those games and decided to basically let JT either run draws or pass, our offense stalled completely and the other team ended up winning? Do you think that's just a coincidence? You say I have "an excuse", yet you can't even remotely contend that what I'm saying isn't correct.

I talk about the 13th game because it is our only hope. If we were 10-2 and not playing in the CCG, we wouldn't have an argument. However, going to the CCG, winning an 11th game and adding another top 10 win to our resume puts us in over ND. If both teams win out, we'll likely be separated by one spot in the CFP rankings. You don't think ND sitting at home while we face an unbeaten top 5 team in a CCG will make a difference?

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

OU won very impressively at our house, I've never once said anything to the contrary. However, that OU game, the MSU game in 2015, the MSU CCG in 2013, they all have one very important thing in common - we abandoned our RBs, which is the staple of our offense. I notice you can't even address my point about how we were running the ball at will on Oklahoma and inexplicably abandoned it when we had a 3 point lead in the 3rd quarter. We abandoned it in the MSU CCG game when we had a 7 point lead late in the 3rd quarter, even though to that point Hyde was running wild on them. Don't you notice that when we did that in those games and decided to basically let JT either run draws or pass, our offense stalled completely and the other team ended up winning? Do you think that's just a coincidence? You say I have "an excuse", yet you can't even remotely contend that what I'm saying isn't correct.

I talk about the 13th game because it is our only hope. If we were 10-2 and not playing in the CCG, we wouldn't have an argument. However, going to the CCG, winning an 11th game and adding another top 10 win to our resume puts us in over ND. If both teams win out, we'll likely be separated by one spot in the CFP rankings. You don't think ND sitting at home while we face an unbeaten top 5 team in a CCG will make a difference?

They don’t just abandon the run to abandon it. Defenses make adjustments and change packages and the offense follows suit. It is akin to earlier an OSU saying Barrett runs too much, but he is doing so because defenses are closing on the RB on most read option plays.

And I don’t think ND could do anymore than they have schedule wise. They have the most diverse schedule facing top teams from multiple conferences. That is more impressive to me than anything a 2 loss team has done. The only other two loss team I’d put ahead of ND is Auburn if they beat Georgia twice and Alabama.

For the question if the B1G CG could sway voters — sure, it could. But Wisconsin’s schedule is a joke. Iowa is literally the best team they have played. That’s pathetic. I still don’t think it’d be enough for OSU to get in, unless they absolutely blew out both UM and Wisconsin. Those bad losses are going to come back to bite OSU, IMO.

And you didn’t answer the question — say TCU beats OU and TCU gets in. Who is more deserving OU or OSU?

 

[mrwallace2ku]

i knew this in week4

bump…


hilarious.

 

[seahawksfan234]

Basicly what the Committee just told them.
Their highest team is USC at #11, then WSU at #14, then Washington at #18.
All with 2 losses.

I don't see a way that any of those teams play themselves into the top 4, even with a huge amount of help.

Am I missing something.

Haven't read this entire thread, but I don't think a Pac-12 team is deserving for a playoff appearance at 2 losses. USC, WSU and UW all have their issues.