So the PAC 12 has no shot at the Playoff.

[TrustMeIamRight]

Michigan State would've been left out the first year of the playoffs, so how does expanding to 8 help?

I think expanding to 8 helps because it will put an end to a handful of meaningless bowl games where top players decide to sit out. It will make end of the year games more competitive as teams will be fighting for a CFP spot.

The bowl games are so over saturated now — I don’t even bother turning the TV on for the majority of them. I couldn’t care less if Northwest Texas State Community College is playing the Idaho school for Male hand models in the Vagisil Cream Bowl. Use the BCS bowls for the quarterfinals — top 4 meet the following week — then NCG the week after that.

If they need to shorten the regular season — I’m sure teams like Bama can do without playing Mercer in week 10 (just an example before Bama fans get upset)

 

[Across The Field]

The B1G doesn’t deserve to be in anyways. Wisconsin is honestly the only team with a legit shot and if Notre Dame and Georgia hasn’t lost, a case could have easily been made to keep them out as an undefeated B1G champ — that is how bad their schedule has been.

I don’t see any chance whatsoever that the CFP committee puts OSU in, as they not only have two losses, but two bad losses where they were completely outplayed. I think OSU would need a total collapse by a half dozen teams to get in. (And this is meant as no disrespect to OSU fans).

I know a few OSU fans have said they won’t look at past year’s, but with the B1G getting embarrassed two years in a row — if the B1G doesn’t have a no doubter team to put in the CFP, they will be on the outside looking in.

So honestly, what's the case for ND to be in over Ohio State? They'd have two losses with not as good of wins as OSU and one fewer game played and no conference title. UGA deserves to be in with 2 losses and no conference title, not to mention the fact that their best win just got destroyed? USC deserves to be in with 2 losses and probably 1-2 ranked wins while looking like junk most of the year? Auburn is gonna get in with 3 losses and no conference title? Put in a second Big 12 team that will likely have 3 losses? A 1 loss Miami team with no conference crown and 1 ranked win?

If they win out, OSU will be 11-2 with 3-4 ranked wins, two of those being top 10 and a likely 3rd in the top 15. They've got a top 5 offense in the nation and their defense is top 20 (even with the collapse at Iowa). The argument there is clear.

 

[4down20]

We need an eight team playoff because conference champions should move on. Last year was a great example, Penn State won the B1G and ohio state was sent to the playoffs (rightfully so) ... Penn State should have gone to the playoffs as well. Western Michigan was undefeated and deserved a chance to find out if they belonged on the big stage. It is possible to have 5 undefeated P5 teams ... who gets left out?

I’m not looking for a spot for Michigan. They’ll earn it or they won’t ... 8 teams gives no one a bitch and there is enough time to play it.

No Conference Champions shouldn't automatically move on, and Penn St didn't go because Ohio St was the better team.

If the Big10 is determined to get it's conference champion into the playoffs, then they should do a better job selecting who makes it into the championship game and put their top2 teams in. Instead, the conferences make the exact same mistake you are pushing for and they use labels like "division champion" rather than putting the 2 best teams in the game.

So basically, you are suggesting we fuck up the playoffs, because the conferences are also fucked up. When the solution is obviously that Penn St and Ohio St should have played in your conference championship game and that would have settled it.

People need to stop confusing conference problems as playoff problems. The playoff took the best team, your conference championship format did not.

If a team is the conference champion and doesn't make the top4 - there is a reason for it.

 

[trojanfan12]

Basicly what the Committee just told them.
Their highest team is USC at #11, then WSU at #14, then Washington at #18.
All with 2 losses.

I don't see a way that any of those teams play themselves into the top 4, even with a huge amount of help.

Am I missing something.

Yeah, while I agree that USC stuck at #11 despite winning would seem to mean the PAC is out. There is still a lot of football to be played and we just saw how drastically things can change.

But if I were betting, it would be on the PAC being out.

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

So honestly, what's the case for ND to be in over Ohio State? They'd have two losses with not as good of wins as OSU and one fewer game played and no conference title. UGA deserves to be in with 2 losses and no conference title, not to mention the fact that their best win just got destroyed? USC deserves to be in with 2 losses and probably 1-2 ranked wins while looking like junk most of the year? Auburn is gonna get in with 3 losses and no conference title? Put in a second Big 12 team that will likely have 3 losses? A 1 loss Miami team with no conference crown and 1 ranked win?

If they win out, OSU will be 11-2 with 3-4 ranked wins, two of those being top 10 and a likely 3rd in the top 15. They've got a top 5 offense in the nation and their defense is top 20 (even with the collapse at Iowa). The argument there is clear.

ND played one of the toughest schedules in the country. They didn’t get their wins over B1G teams who literally beat no one OOC. This is why I’ve continued to mention the prior two years where the B1G was embarrassed in the CFP. When the conference got hammered in two OOC matchups with quality teams — it takes the shine off beat other B1G teams who didn’t play anyone.

I think the CFP is pretty much set in stone.

1. Bama
2. Miami
3. Clemson
4. Oklahoma

5. Wisconsin
6. Auburn
7. Georgia
8. ND

It is between those 8 teams for 4 spots, IMO.

SEC will have at least one spot between Auburn, Georgia, Bama.
Big 12 will have OU in the CFP unless TCU absolutely buries them in the CCG. OU could lose a close one and STILL get in.
The ACC has at least one guaranteed spot with Clemson and Miami. If Clemson beats Miami, Miami still may get in, because the top 2 loss teams is ND (after Auburn)

What 2 loss teams do you see OSU being more deserving than, seeing as how you were hammered by both teams you lost too? One being 4 loss Iowa? Iowa getting absolutely crushed by Wisconsin was horrible for OSU. It makes your loss look even worse.

As I said — OSU is an elite program, but anyone who wants to argue they are a top 4 team this year is doing so with blinders on. They aren’t.

 

[ericd7633]

So honestly, what's the case for ND to be in over Ohio State? They'd have two losses with not as good of wins as OSU and one fewer game played and no conference title. UGA deserves to be in with 2 losses and no conference title, not to mention the fact that their best win just got destroyed? USC deserves to be in with 2 losses and probably 1-2 ranked wins while looking like junk most of the year? Auburn is gonna get in with 3 losses and no conference title? Put in a second Big 12 team that will likely have 3 losses? A 1 loss Miami team with no conference crown and 1 ranked win?

If they win out, OSU will be 11-2 with 3-4 ranked wins, two of those being top 10 and a likely 3rd in the top 15. They've got a top 5 offense in the nation and their defense is top 20 (even with the collapse at Iowa). The argument there is clear.

Ohio State's wins won't be that much different than ND's wins. If Ohio State beats Wisconsin, there will be minimal difference between them and USC. Michigan State = Michigan State. Penn State will probably finish 7-8 spots higher than NC State assuming both win out. And Stanford at 8-5(assuming CCG loss) will still be ranked ahead of a 4 loss Michigan, unless Michigan beats Wisconsin, but then Wisconsin won't finish ahead of USC after a presumed loss to Ohio State. And ND 2 losses are significantly better. Plus ND has a top 10 offense and defense. There's a great chance of ND finishing with 4 ranked wins and Ohio State finishing with 3 ranked wins tbh. And I'm not even sure we'll be Stanford, so all this could be moot anyways.

 

[Across The Field]

ND played one of the toughest schedules in the country. They didn’t get their wins over B1G teams who literally beat no one OOC. This is why I’ve continued to mention the prior two years where the B1G was embarrassed in the CFP. When the conference got hammered in two OOC matchups with quality teams — it takes the shine off beat other B1G teams who didn’t play anyone.

I think the CFP is pretty much set in stone.

1. Bama
2. Miami
3. Clemson
4. Oklahoma

5. Wisconsin
6. Auburn
7. Georgia
8. ND

It is between those 8 teams for 4 spots, IMO.

SEC will have at least one spot between Auburn, Georgia, Bama.
Big 12 will have OU in the CFP unless TCU absolutely buries them in the CCG. OU could lose a close one and STILL get in.
The ACC has at least one guaranteed spot with Clemson and Miami. If Clemson beats Miami, Miami still may get in, because the top 2 loss teams is ND (after Auburn)

What 2 loss teams do you see OSU being more deserving than, seeing as how you were hammered by both teams you lost too? One being 4 loss Iowa? Iowa getting absolutely crushed by Wisconsin was horrible for OSU. It makes your loss look even worse.

As I said — OSU is an elite program, but anyone who wants to argue they are a top 4 team this year is doing so with blinders on. They aren’t.

You realize we still have 3 more weeks of games, right?

Why would Miami deserve to get in? Yes they'd have 1 loss. They'd also have 1 ranked win and no conference title.

Why would Auburn deserve to get in if they lose to Bama? 9-3 over 11-2 with a conference title? Not happening.

Why would ND deserve to get in? 2 losses, no 13th game, no conference title, and not as good of wins.

Why would Georgia deserve to get in if they lose the SEC CCG? 2 losses, no conference title, not as good of wins.

If Bama, OU, Clemson, and OSU wins out, those are your playoff teams.

 

[Across The Field]

Ohio State's wins won't be that much different than ND's wins. If Ohio State beats Wisconsin, there will be minimal difference between them and USC. Michigan State = Michigan State. Penn State will probably finish 7-8 spots higher than NC State assuming both win out. And Stanford at 8-5(assuming CCG loss) will still be ranked ahead of a 4 loss Michigan, unless Michigan beats Wisconsin, but then Wisconsin won't finish ahead of USC after a presumed loss to Ohio State. And ND 2 losses are significantly better. Plus ND has a top 10 offense and defense. There's a great chance of ND finishing with 4 ranked wins and Ohio State finishing with 3 ranked wins tbh. And I'm not even sure we'll be Stanford, so all this could be moot anyways.

Penn State will finish top 10 at 10-2. I don't see how NC State compares to Penn State in any way.

If michigan beats Wisconsin, yes they would finish below USC. I think ND needs that to happen in order to get in. Not having the 13th game and conference title isn't going to be enough to keep their 1 spot margin over OSU.

 

[uncfan103]

...that's the point of the playoff.

The point of the playoffs is to determine who the best team is.

 

[Across The Field]

The point of the playoffs is to determine who the best team is.

Right. You don't have to prove that you're #1 before the playoffs even begin.

 

[ericd7633]

Penn State will finish top 10 at 10-2. I don't see how NC State compares to Penn State in any way.

If michigan beats Wisconsin, yes they would finish below USC. I think ND needs that to happen in order to get in. Not having the 13th game and conference title isn't going to be enough to keep their 1 spot margin over OSU.

I literally said if both win out Penn State will finish 7-8 spots ahead of them, or thereabouts. I wasn't comparing them in any way. But that 7-8 spot difference won't mean as much if Stanford finishes ranked and Michigan doesn't. Having 4 ranked wins looks better than having 3. Which was my point. So even if Ohio State has the slightest of edges in wins, ND has the edge in better losses. And more wins against .500+ competition.

 

[uncfan103]

Right. You don't have to prove that you're #1 before the playoffs even begin.

The playoffs is so the best team is given a chance to compete, not so that the top 4 teams compete. the argument that if you are arguably one of the best 4 teams then you should be able to compete won't change if the playoff size changes. It'll change to people saying Michigan State was arguably one of the best 8 teams, therefore because they were left out, the playoff needs expansion.

 

[Across The Field]

I literally said if both win out Penn State will finish 7-8 spots ahead of them, or thereabouts. I wasn't comparing them in any way. But that 7-8 spot difference won't mean as much if Stanford finishes ranked and Michigan doesn't. Having 4 ranked wins looks better than having 3. Which was my point. So even if Ohio State has the slightest of edges in wins, ND has the edge in better losses. And more wins against .500+ competition.

You think the committee is going to really think NC State and Penn State are closer to the same than 8-5 Stanford and 8-4 michigan? Give me a break.

 

[Across The Field]

The playoffs is so the best team is given a chance to compete, not so that the top 4 teams compete. the argument that if you are arguably one of the best 4 teams then you should be able to compete won't change if the playoff size changes. It'll change to people saying Michigan State was arguably one of the best 8 teams, therefore because they were left out, the playoff needs expansion.

That is fundamentally untrue.

 

[Deep Creek]

The past few years have been perfect, we have playoff games during the season and so many games have playoff implications.

Glad you worded it this way because I call bullshit on those that do not want not expand the playoffs under the pretense of "protecting the regular season" by stating "every game matters". Because, for the life of me no one can explain to me how some games this week such as Delaware State @ Florida State "matter" in the fucking least bit as far as the playoffs go! Or worse, how does my Miners playing La Tech make any difference whatsoever. THat crap about "every game matters" is just that, CRAP.

And the playoff implication games have crossed conference lines since we went to four. What's going on in one conference has an impact in the others. So, expanding the playoffs to four also expanded the importance of regular season games...not diminished it.

 

[uncfan103]

That is fundamentally untrue.

They're trying to crown a national champion. But going to 4 teams they aren't going to have someone like Auburn in 2003? or Oklahoma State left out.

If you think that they chose to move to a playoff with 4 teams so that all the top four teams could compete, I disagree. But, if that's what you think then moving to an 8 team playoff would mean you would argue that they want the top 8 teams competing, and then there's just more debate

 

[ericd7633]

You think the committee is going to really think NC State and Penn State are closer to the same than 8-5 Stanford and 8-4 michigan? Give me a break.

You're not understanding what I'm saying. If Stanford is ranked where they are now(and even going 1-2 they'll still probably be ranked) and Michigan is unranked, it'll pretty much cancel out the difference between Penn State and NC State IMO(which I've said all along will be 7-8 spots). It really comes down to what you think is better beating the #10 team, or beating the #18 and #24 team? I'm guessing the committee will favor the 2nd, but it is just an educated guess.

 

[Across The Field]

They're trying to crown a national champion. But going to 4 teams they aren't going to have someone like Auburn in 2003? or Oklahoma State left out.

If you think that they chose to move to a playoff with 4 teams so that all the top four teams could compete, I disagree. But, if that's what you think then moving to an 8 team playoff would mean you would argue that they want the top 8 teams competing, and then there's just more debate

Why do you think the NFL doesn't just have 4 game playoffs? There have been PLENTY of SB champs that weren't in the top 4 seeds overall.

 

[trojanfan12]

You'd need

-USC to win out
- Stanford to beat ND
- Michigan to beat Wisconsin AND OSU
- OSU to beat Wisconsin
- WVU to win the B12
- Miami to win out
- Bama to win out
IF ALL that happened you'd have a shot

I would add that USC would need to win out in impressive fashion. Close call wins, like most of ours have been, won't get it done.

 

[Across The Field]

You're not understanding what I'm saying. If Stanford is ranked where they are now(and even going 1-2 they'll still probably be ranked) and Michigan is unranked, it'll pretty much cancel out the difference between Penn State and NC State IMO(which I've said all along will be 7-8 spots). It really comes down to what you think is better beating the #10 team, or beating the #18 and #24 team? I'm guessing the committee will favor the 2nd, but it is just an educated guess.

Let me ask you this - What on earth would make you think that Stanford would remain ranked when they're 23rd right now and could get 2 more losses? Is that win over Cal going to somehow catapult them up the rankings so far they can't drop out even with finishing the year with back-to-back losses? IMO Stanford and michigan aren't ranked teams if they both drop 2 more games. Not sure where the argument would be to the contrary.