options at qb other then KC in 2018

[skinsdad62]

the point is that non pro style college qb's go in the first round

ok so what ? i gave a list of options with their pro and cons not whether that makes them first round worthy or not . it takes time to teach a qb who hasnt been under center to operate that way . it is a consideration

 

[skinsdad62]

I think it was a big advantage for Mahomes to be drafted by KC. We all know Andy is a QB whisperer. It can't do anything but help a kid who has a lot of physical skills but probably needs some polishing for the NFL level. Meanwhile Smith hold down the fort for two or three years.

could mahomes come in this year as the opening day starter and keep the chiefs in contention ? i agree 100% with your assessment on the situation just asking the question to get to a further point not with you but others on the board

 

[ehb5]

could mahomes come in this year as the opening day starter and keep the chiefs in contention ? i agree 100% with your assessment on the situation just asking the question to get to a further point not with you but others on the board

Maybe. Impossible to say really. But I think he'll he starting sooner than people think. He could end up starting and finally make the Chiefs a legit contender this year.

 

[skinsdad62]

Maybe. Impossible to say really. But I think he'll he starting sooner than people think. He could end up starting and finally make the Chiefs a legit contender this year.

i think its very possible to say and the answer is no . watching him during OTAS struggle with center play tells me alot . he will take some times learning the pro game the offense at tech was very simple

 

[gkekoa]

1) Sam Darnold underclassman

2) Josh Allen underclassman

3) Lamar Jackson underclassman

4) Josh Rosen underclassman

5) Nick fitzgerald underclassman

6) Chase Litton underclassman

7) Jarret Stidum underclassman

8) mason randolph

9) luke falk

10) baker mayfield

11) jake browning underclassman



WOW...only two of your 11 are seniors. Everybody else is an underclassman.

 

[ehb5]

i think its very possible to say and the answer is no . watching him during OTAS struggle with center play tells me alot . he will take some times learning the pro game the offense at tech was very simple

So you took away all you needed from him in shorts months before the season starts?

He definitely needs some development but that doesn't mean he can't be better than Smith off the bat. He certainly provides more upside which is what they need.

 

[Sharkinva]

i think its very possible to say and the answer is no . watching him during OTAS struggle with center play tells me alot . he will take some times learning the pro game the offense at tech was very simple

This is the part where they say...

But a good coach would adjust the system to fit the talents of his QB.

And I reply

Im still waiting on Bellicheck to draft one of these mobile shotgun QBs and totally scrap the system that has worked for him the past 15 years in order to justify the QB he selected was the right guy.

 

[skinsdad62]

So you took away all you needed from him in shorts months before the season starts?

He definitely needs some development but that doesn't mean he can't be better than Smith off the bat. He certainly provides more upside which is what they need.

well a majic jeannie wont put all that knowledge in him between now and the beginning of the season . the chiefs , with smith have an efficient team . a rookie will be a step back . doesnt mean he wont be a good qb

now unless smith is injured in TC or preseason mahomes wont be in there unless you would want to make a wager that he will be . there are some things you can see in OTAS and in mini camp at the qb position in which you can tell . i am willing to bet he wont win 11 games as a starter . i am willing to bet he wont see the field much at all the odds are way in my favor that rookies take time

 

[ehb5]

well a majic jeannie wont put all that knowledge in him between now and the beginning of the season . the chiefs , with smith have an efficient team . a rookie will be a step back . doesnt mean he wont be a good qb

now unless smith is injured in TC or preseason mahomes wont be in there unless you would want to make a wager that he will be . there are some things you can see in OTAS and in mini camp at the qb position in which you can tell . i am willing to bet he wont win 11 games as a starter . i am willing to bet he wont see the field much at all the odds are way in my favor that rookies take time

Again that's just complete conjecture. To say that definitively is pure bs.

The chiefs with smith have an efficient team that won't win a Super Bowl because their qb holds them back.

 

[skinsdad62]

Again that's just complete conjecture. To say that definitively is pure bs.

The chiefs with smith have an efficient team that won't win a Super Bowl because their qb holds them back.

true but expecting a rookie with very little time in the pro set offense to jump right in and rattle off enough wins to go to a superbowl in year one , history says wont happen

now my eyes have told me and history has shown me so you can call it conjecture and i will call it an educated guess . considering about 4 rookies have ever been to a championship game or superbowl as rookies , baugh waterfield 36 and 45 respectively big ben and i believe wilson out of all the rookies throughout NFL history i feel safe that my conjecture will hold up

 

[Sharkinva]

true but expecting a rookie with very little time in the pro set offense to jump right in and rattle off enough wins to go to a superbowl in year one , history says wont happen

now my eyes have told me and history has shown me so you can call it conjecture and i will call it an educated guess . considering about 4 rookies have ever been to a championship game or superbowl as rookies , baugh waterfield 36 and 45 respectively big ben and i believe wilson out of all the rookies throughout NFL history i feel safe that my conjecture will hold up

Wilson was a second year player when they won the Super Bowl. The Sea Hawks designed the offense around his skill set. As much as some consider him elite, one has to wonder how well he would do in the offenses in New England, Cincy, DC or any place else where the offense is based more off of speed and timing and does not take into acount the broken play as much as places like Seattle, Green Bay and Carolina.

 

[skinsdad62]

Wilson was a second year player when they won the Super Bowl. The Sea Hawks designed the offense around his skill set. As much as some consider him elite, one has to wonder how well he would do in the offenses in New England, Cincy, DC or any place else where the offense is based more off of speed and timing and does not take into acount the broken play as much as places like Seattle, Green Bay and Carolina.

well then that makes 3 making my case even stroger thanks shark

 

[Sharkinva]

well then that makes 3 making my case even stroger thanks shark

Dude Im telling you the mentality is...

What if we sign Kirk long term and it prevents us from drafting the next Rogers. And who cares if what we really end up with is the next Rg3 move and the results of that move.

 

[ehb5]

true but expecting a rookie with very little time in the pro set offense to jump right in and rattle off enough wins to go to a superbowl in year one , history says wont happen

now my eyes have told me and history has shown me so you can call it conjecture and i will call it an educated guess . considering about 4 rookies have ever been to a championship game or superbowl as rookies , baugh waterfield 36 and 45 respectively big ben and i believe wilson out of all the rookies throughout NFL history i feel safe that my conjecture will hold up

Now that I'm cool with. The odds are long you're right. But he's still a first round pick sitting behind an uninspiring starter. Can't be completely discounted.

 

[ehb5]

Dude Im telling you the mentality is...

What if we sign Kirk long term and it prevents us from drafting the next Rogers. And who cares if what we really end up with is the next Rg3 move and the results of that move.

Not sure if this is in reference to me but if it is its an incredibly inaccurate description of my position.

 

[Sharkinva]

Not sure if this is in reference to me but if it is its an incredibly inaccurate description of my position.

So do tell, have you just decided that Kirk cant get it done and never will in all likelihood?

 

[ehb5]

So do tell, have you just decided that Kirk cant get it done and never will in all likelihood?

No. I don't believe I've stated anything like that at all.

 

[Sharkinva]

No. I don't believe I've stated anything like that at all.

Seems like you have already decided from some of your comments.

 

[ehb5]

Seems like you have already decided from some of your comments.

That's you reading what you want to read. I've said nothing remotely resembling that.

 

[Sharkinva]

That's you reading what you want to read. I've said nothing remotely resembling that.

Lets just say, there seems to be a serious lean in your opinion that the team is probably better off going in a different direction. I do believe you dont have any misgiving or hate towards Cousins. But I doubt Im the only one who see's a pattern of we COULD be better off delving into the draft next year in your opinion.