Seahawks make interesting move today

[HaroldSeattle]

Kassen Williams getting cut surprised me. Even though he was going against second stringers, thought he showed enough to make the roster, but Seahawks had some tough decisions to make.
Davis over Boykin. I'm not shocked by that, did think perhaps the Seahawks would want to continue to develop Boykin as a long term answer at backup, but we are talking clipboard holder so whatever. Davis comes dirt cheap.

 

[MrS]

i think williams problem was route running, he seems like a one trick pony. mcevoy is better, darboh has a higher ceiling. it makes sense.

 

[Warden]

Why we kept 6 RBs and only 5WRs is the biggest mystery to me.

 

[Anointed One]

i think williams problem was route running, he seems like a one trick pony. mcevoy is better, darboh has a higher ceiling. it makes sense.

Darboh definitely has a higher ceiling... He hasn't had much opportunity to contribute in the preseason due to the injury that kept him out of a few games and then the concussion as well... Darboh is a very good blocker along w/ route runner... Please he's been standing out in practice with the work he's been putting in... Williams made some nice plays but he's not good enough to be on a 53 man roster imo... I would've been more surprised if they cut Dabroh in favor of Williams...

 

[Uhsplit]

Why we kept 6 RBs and only 5WRs is the biggest mystery to me.

Hangover from last year. We went something like 15 deep at RB. Unreal, plus we have a couple of young players in Procise and Rawls who we are not ready to bail out on yet health is an issue. Also, McKissic counts as a RB.

 

[Uhsplit]

Darboh definitely has a higher ceiling... He hasn't had much opportunity to contribute in the preseason due to the injury that kept him out of a few games and then the concussion as well... Darboh is a very good blocker along w/ route runner... Please he's been standing out in practice with the work he's been putting in... Williams made some nice plays but he's not good enough to be on a 53 man roster imo... I would've been more surprised if they cut Dabroh in favor of Williams...

I was convinced that Kasen had made the squad, but what do I know? Coach knows it all.

 

[Destroydacre]

No. Different stages of the rebuild. Jets are still on the way down. Browns are in theory back on the way up.

Are the Browns ever on the way up?

I kid I kid



kind of...

 

[JMR]

Yeah, like everyone else I'm surprised and even a bit disappointed Kasen Williams didn't make it. Obviously his performance in the fake games was very strong, but that is not 100% of the decision. The strange part is he shows up on the "waived/injured" list, so I don't know if that's some loophole that gives us a better shot at hiding him on the PS or just window dressing. What I wouldn't be surprised to see happen is the inevitable early season Rawls/Prosise injury opening up a roster spot which goes to Kasen since we kept 6 RBs and only 5 WRs. Of course, that's if he doesn't get picked up by another team first (and I haven't checked the news yet to see if it's already happened).

Other than that, no real shockers. Rubin had been rumored to be shopped, so him not making it isn't much of a brow lifter. To me, this DL is the deepest we've had since 2013.

Looking forward to seeing what becomes of this year's group. Overall I think we are stacked and primed for another serious run at a ring. I guess we'll see if the injury gods allow it.

 

[NWPATSFAN]

Hawks are loaded on D.
How about getting Wilson similar caliber talent on the O line?

I see a slight improvement so far.

It's all about the $$$

 

[Warden]

Kasem Williams is now a Cleveland Brown

 

[Warden]

Reece and Rubin may come back to the team after week one, this way the Seahawks will not have to guarantee their contract.

 

[JMR]

Hawks are loaded on D.
How about getting Wilson similar caliber talent on the O line?

I see a slight improvement so far.

It's all about the $$$

It's also about draft capital, not just money. Our now starting LT is a 3rd round pick in his 2nd year. The LG is a former #2 overall pick and a $7M+ FA signing, C is a 2nd round pick who just got a nice extension, RG is a 4th rounder pick in his 3rd year, and the RT is a 1st round pick from last year. The primary backups are a FA signing from this off-season and a 2nd round pick rookie.

If you ask me, that's a decent amount invested in the line. Also, a top talent like Sheldon Richardson being on the market doesn't mean there was a similarly talented O lineman available. The brain trust has put a lot of early picks into the line over the past couple drafts, and it isn't always an instant return on investment for that part of the team. You gotta let them solidify for a couple years and see what it becomes. We also need to see some guys get to a 2nd contract for continuity's sake, and Britt's recent extension is a start.

 

[NWPATSFAN]

It's also about draft capital, not just money. Our now starting LT is a 3rd round pick in his 2nd year. The LG is a former #2 overall pick and a $7M+ FA signing, C is a 2nd round pick who just got a nice extension, RG is a 4th rounder pick in his 3rd year, and the RT is a 1st round pick from last year. The primary backups are a FA signing from this off-season and a 2nd round pick rookie.

If you ask me, that's a decent amount invested in the line. Also, a top talent like Sheldon Richardson being on the market doesn't mean there was a similarly talented O lineman available. The brain trust has put a lot of early picks into the line over the past couple drafts, and it isn't always an instant return on investment for that part of the team. You gotta let them solidify for a couple years and see what it becomes. We also need to see some guys get to a 2nd contract for continuity's sake, and Britt's recent extension is a start.

I agree O line needs time to gel. You can also find diamonds in the rough. My comment was more directed at how Seattle has built their D with quite a few players that command large salaries. That's what I took from Dolemite's question. Having said that, one needs to realize you have to save somewhere. Currently that has been the Oline and WRs.

 

[JMR]

I agree O line needs time to gel. You can also find diamonds in the rough. My comment was more directed at how Seattle has built their D with quite a few players that command large salaries. That's what I took from Dolemite's question. Having said that, one needs to realize you have to save somewhere. Currently that has been the Oline and WRs.

For several years you also had Lynch as being the only guy in the backfield that got any money as well, so they saved tons at QB also. Not totally convinced the $ skimping on the OL has been intentional, but they've definitely struggled to find guys they really wanted to spend on for a 2nd contract. Quirkiness with Okung representing himself, or I think a traditional agent negotiation may have brought him back. Not lamenting losses of neither Sweezy nor Carpenter.

 

[NWPATSFAN]

For several years you also had Lynch as being the only guy in the backfield that got any money as well, so they saved tons at QB also. Not totally convinced the $ skimping on the OL has been intentional, but they've definitely struggled to find guys they really wanted to spend on for a 2nd contract. Quirkiness with Okung representing himself, or I think a traditional agent negotiation may have brought him back. Not lamenting losses of neither Sweezy nor Carpenter.

The bottom line is there is only so much $ to go around. You can't pay everyone top $. That's what it seemed like Dolemite was saying. Just got out and surround RW with as much talent as there is on the D.

 

[JMR]

The bottom line is there is only so much $ to go around. You can't pay everyone top $. That's what it seemed like Dolemite was saying. Just got out and surround RW with as much talent as there is on the D.

I get it. But this off-season they spent $7M on a free agent OL and then also extended Britt, and in the last 2 drafts they've spent a 1st, a 2nd, and a 3rd on OL. They're both spending $ and investing picks in talent. Now let's see if they made the right choices, but the complaint about not giving love to the OL is not valid right now.

 

[NWPATSFAN]

I get it. But this off-season they spent $7M on a free agent OL and then also extended Britt, and in the last 2 drafts they've spent a 1st, a 2nd, and a 3rd on OL. They're both spending $ and investing picks in talent. Now let's see if they made the right choices, but the complaint about not giving love to the OL is not valid right now.

OK we can disagree on the semantics of investing or not?
Seattle annually spends between $16-20M more on their D as opposed to their O. I'm not arguing this is right or wrong. However, most teams spend just the opposite even more so (naturally this makes sense as the majority of skill positions) are on the offensive side of the ball. It is what it is.
Investing in draft picks only makes sense. If they pan out and if Seattle pays them after their initial contract will tell the truth.

 

[JMR]

OK we can disagree on the semantics of investing or not?

It seems like that's exactly what we are doing.

Seattle annually spends between $16-20M more on their D as opposed to their O. I'm not arguing this is right or wrong. However, most teams spend just the opposite even more so (naturally this makes sense as the majority of skill positions) are on the offensive side of the ball. It is what it is.
Investing in draft picks only makes sense. If they pan out and if Seattle pays them after their initial contract will tell the truth.

The 2013 line was the highest paid in the NFL, so what you are saying only describes the 2 or 3 years after that. The OL was dogshit the last 3 seasons, no argument there. But this line is not those, and the front office has invested in it quite a bit the last 2 years. Britt is the only one who was even on the team in 2014.

 

[NWPATSFAN]

It seems like that's exactly what we are doing.

The 2013 line was the highest paid in the NFL, so what you are saying only describes the 2 or 3 years after that. The OL was dogshit the last 3 seasons, no argument there. But this line is not those, and the front office has invested in it quite a bit the last 2 years. Britt is the only one who was even on the team in 2014.

The line is only one piece of the equation. Yes Dolemite specifically mentioned the Oline. Maybe he was bothered by Seattle getting another DL while releasing guys like Rubin? I don't know nor do I care. What I took from him, as well as others have argued over the years is; Seattle routinely spends lots more on the D vs. The O. Beside Houston I'm not sure another NFL team does that. You appear to be cherry picking or compartmentalizing in order to validate your point. I'm looking at it from the whole.

 

[JMR]

The line is only one piece of the equation. Yes Dolemite specifically mentioned the Oline. Maybe he was bothered by Seattle getting another DL while releasing guys like Rubin? I don't know nor do I care. What I took from him, as well as others have argued over the years is; Seattle routinely spends lots more on the D vs. The O. Beside Houston I'm not sure another NFL team does that. You appear to be cherry picking or compartmentalizing in order to validate your point. I'm looking at it from the whole.

I'm just talking about where the team is right now. I acknowledge the point about letting the OL sag from 2013, but it's now 2017 and nobody can make me a believer that they haven't put both $ and picks in it the last 2 seasons.