The B1G replaces the SEC as college football's most overrated conference

[ericd7633]

Can't the media have influence over the two polls? Maybe indirect or 2nd party influence on the BCS, but influence none the less.

I'm not sure the media really cares one way or the other...they are going to bias their view in the way that makes them money. That is what they care about IMHO.

I don't know. I think the whole media influence is overblown. At the end of regular season mostly all have the same top 5 and top 10. Once you get to the back of the top 25 is where there's some disagreement. But that's not all that important.

 

[4down20]

Why would the coaches care about another conferences TV deal and only over rank that conference? Wouldn't they want to rank their own conference members so that they could get a better contract for their own conference?

It's dumb, but that's what people did with the SEC, so whatever I guess.

The truth is, the Big10 has always had more TV sets and made up a larger part of the subscriber base, but they weren't doing well. ESPN will hype up anything where there is success.

 

[Volbound1700]

To add since I already started this rant. The SEC is going through the same thing the Big 12 went through a decade ago and thank god it appears it is finally coming to a close it appears. Thanks Stoops!

The Bob Stoops (or name any coach that dominates a conference) effect. Where all the teams start trying to imitate the master and inherently they will always come up short because they are prodigies not the master. When Bob Stoops first came on scene he started kicking everyones ass in the Big 12 and all the schools panicked and started copying his methods and hiring his assistant coaches as head coaches. This led to a long period of dominance by OU. The only way teams beat him was by having such a superior talent + experience advantage (Texas occasionally) or by playing a contrasting style of football (Baylor, TCU, Oklahoma St).

In the SEC, if you look at the schools that have given Saban trouble over the years, they either had a talent + experience advantage (occasionally Florida, Auburn, and LSU) or they played a contrasting style of football and schematically confused him (Ole Miss and Texas A&M a time or two). This way rarely works with guys like Saban or Stoops in the long run because they tend to have consistently talented and well coached teams.

In the Big 10, right now there are multiple coaches with contrasting styles playing at a high level. This bodes well for the league. This is just like the SEC was prior to Saban running off all the best coaches who didn't want to compete with him or tried and failed too often for their programs taste. Instead of accepting Bama just had a good thing going and staying true to yourself and waiting for your best teams to occasionally knock him off.

If any of these Big 10 coaches don't solve Urban Meyer soon we just might see the same impatience take place at Big 10 schools. And that would be bad for the league IMO. Parody from your high level teams is a good thing for a league. It's only good for the fans of the school where it's happening when one team dominates. The league reputation suffers which in turn causes the dominant team to slip. They are no longer challenged enough in league games to be prepared for OOC high level teams.

I agree with everything you have said to date.

 

[Volbound1700]

You keep thinking this way. It sounds like 2010 all over again. When everybody was gonna run away from the Big 12 financially and tier 3 networks were the way of the future. Then people said fuck cable...

Now interesting storylines trump geographic TV sets again. A national approach is the smart way to do business again. Because the TV sets are shrinking for ESPN and they need all of them, not just a portion of them to stay afloat.

I agree and that is why I believe the SEC should have went hard after Clemson and Florida State. Had both jumped to the SEC, the SEC would have 100% locked down the Florida market which is the best recruiting region in the nation. The ACC would have been done as a football league. It looks like the SEC will go after Va Tech/NC State or Oklahoma/Oklahoma State combo in the near future.

 

[Scapegoat]

Remember when ESPIN was jacking off the SEC West? Well move on over SEC West because ESPIN has replaced you with the B1G East. Too bad for the SEC West but they just don't have the TV sets for ESPIN to suck them off anymore.

The BIG's true advantage.

 

[Volbound1700]

The B1G doesn't have the recruiting base to match the SEC overall. The states of Ohio and Pennsylvania are the only two regional states that really provide a decent amount of recruits and they will be eaten up by Michigan, Ohio State, and Penn State. The rest of the league will struggle. Right now, IMO, the Big Ten East teams probably deserve their rankings but the Big Ten West teams are typically overrated (Iowa, Nebraska, and Wisconsin). Nobody from the Big Ten West scares me. Tennessee is 3-0 against them in bowl games and none of those bowl games were closed. (Also in every case the Big Ten team was ranked higher than TN in the national polls).

 

[Wamu]

The BIG's true advantage.

So the BigTen's true advantage isn't Jim Harbaugh? Some meeeechegan fans will be greatly disappointed.

 

[outofyourmind]

I'll take a stab at why Ohio State made it in over Penn State last year, although I know I am talking to a brick wall.

1) Ohio State had a better resume (including a better loss) than Penn State. This is not in dispute by anyone who watched college football last year.
2) Ohio State won on the road vs the Big 12 champion.
3) Ohio State lost at Penn State on a couple of fluke plays.
4) Ohio State played at what I consider to be the toughest venues outside of Ohio State in the B1G - at night, in back to back weeks, with both Wisconsin and Penn State coming off their bye weeks.
5) The previous year, Ohio State lost to MSU at home in terrible weather. As a result, MSU won the division and the B1G championship, went to the playoffs and got it handed to them by eventual champion Alabama. This very well could have changed the CFP view that conference championships were the be-all-end-all criteria.

That being said, given the crappy way the Buckeyes played most of the year last year, I would have been fine if they didn't make the playoff.

Let me sum it up:
1. You beat Oklahoma in Norman.
2. If that had been Youngstown State you would have been left out.

 

[Voltaire26]

So the BigTen's true advantage isn't Jim Harbaugh? Some meeeechegan fans will be greatly disappointed.

As I told you before, the intelligent Michigan fans will tell you Harbaugh hasn't won anything (yet), we like him and we like where the program is going. Two maybe three coaches belong on the Mount Rushmore of current CFB coaches: Nick Saban, Urban Meyer (evil yes, but also a great coach) and Dabo Swinney. I would like nothing better than to knock Meyer off that mountain, but it hasn't happened yet.

 

[Wamu]

As I told you before, the intelligent Michigan fans will tell you Harbaugh hasn't won anything (yet), we like him and we like where the program is going. Two maybe three coaches belong on the Mount Rushmore of current CFB coaches: Nick Saban, Urban Meyer (evil yes, but also a great coach) and Dabo Swinney. I would like nothing better than to knock Meyer off that mountain, but it hasn't happened yet.

I agree w/ everything you said. But I didn't say all meeeechegan fans. There are a couple batshit crazy ann arbor fans. doug & trustmeimright are the worst.

 

[Red_Alert]

I think the OP means the Big 10 will be taking back it's crown as the most over-rated conference. The Big 10 owned it for decades before the SEC took it in the 2000's. I wouldn't go so far as saying the SEC was over-rated. They were pretty damn good for a while there. Georgia being pre-season national champs every year can take much of the blame.

 

[Lions=TeHsUcKs]

The B1G doesn't have the recruiting base to match the SEC overall. The states of Ohio and Pennsylvania are the only two regional states that really provide a decent amount of recruits and they will be eaten up by Michigan, Ohio State, and Penn State. The rest of the league will struggle. Right now, IMO, the Big Ten East teams probably deserve their rankings but the Big Ten West teams are typically overrated (Iowa, Nebraska, and Wisconsin). Nobody from the Big Ten West scares me. Tennessee is 3-0 against them in bowl games and none of those bowl games were closed. (Also in every case the Big Ten team was ranked higher than TN in the national polls).

To be fair, those three B1G East teams are starting to get top recruits in CA, NJ, Texas, Fla and Ga. Those teams recruit nationally now. I do agree that teams like Iowa, Wisconsin and others need to step it up. You are starting to see it with Nebraska and Maryland though.

 

[Red_Alert]

Regarding the PAC's issues, let's not ignore the elephant in the room. They are at a disadvantage for media time based on time zone. It's been that way since I was a kid. About the only PAC football we ever saw here in Nebraska was the USC/UCLA game. Even that was competing with Ohio St/Michigan. The Big TV markets (ESPN's bread and butter) are east of the Mississippi river. Some of those PAC games aren't over until midnight central time. That's 1am ET. Only the staunchest CFB fans watch them.. The rest are drunk, passed out, or banging Susie Rottencrotch. Gameday is over. Sure they see highlights the next day, but not the same as watching the full games and the highs and lows that go along with them.

 

[Lions=TeHsUcKs]

So the BigTen's true advantage isn't Jim Harbaugh? Some meeeechegan fans will be greatly disappointed.

TV sets were obviously why you clowns got to the CFP and promptly got buttfucked, obviously not belonging. I'm sure Penn State would have had atleast a garbage time field goal. Embarrassing.

 

[Hook'Em0608]

I heard a stat the other day that said since Alabama hired Nick Saban, that 30 SEC coaches have been fired.

Wouldn't surprise me. He's made some tap out too.

 

[RegentDenali]

Their will plenty of tSEC suckoff via Finebaum. He was hired by ESecPN specifically to suck off tSEC to keep those TVs watching, especially during CGD broadcasts. Like his pearls of unbiased wisdom about how when Alabama plays a OOC cupcake, it's a more quality win and it shouldn't effect their poll ranking compared to when say PAC teams play a cupcake and should drop in the polls.

tSEC eats that shit up.

 

[AlaskaGuy]

Their will plenty of tSEC suckoff via Finebaum. He was hired by ESecPN specifically to suck off tSEC to keep those TVs watching, especially during CGD broadcasts. Like his pearls of unbiased wisdom about how when Alabama plays a OOC cupcake, it's a more quality win and it shouldn't effect their poll ranking compared to when say PAC teams play a cupcake and should drop in the polls.

tSEC eats that shit up.

If ESP1N taught me anything, they taught me that it's all about 'quality losses'. lulz

 

[Hook'Em0608]

If ESP1N taught me anything, they taught me that it's all about 'quality losses'. lulz

Ha! Not always, The Big 12 has been on the wrong end of that one in the past. Then it was about quality wins.

 

[NolePride]

Since we switched over to the Playoff system and 5 Power Leagues instead of 6...
The Big10 and Big12 have lost more games vs the other P5 leagues.

They can hype you all they want but you still have to win games.

The standings of games played between the Power5 leagues and Notre Dame
are as follows:

Pac12 30-22
SEC 36-32
ACC 42-42
Big10 35-39
Big 12 19-27
N Dame15-15

Records in the Elite 6 Bowl games + the NC Game

1- Other 5 2-1
2- ACC 5-3
3- Big10 5-5
4- Pac12 3-3
5- SEC 4-5
6- Big12 2-3
7- N Dame 0-1

Quality losses or not...eventually a loss will always be a loss.

 

[Gopherfan84]

When did Clemson, Florida St., and Louisville join the Big Ten?