Zeke and Cowboys in trouble again

[SteelersPride]

Sure, I love these types of conversations and I can't speak for how much other fans follow or don't follow especially in the preseason or what their opinions are. And I'm a minority because one fan says "good points"? Do you know what a minority means?

1 - it's August 3rd. They haven't even played a preseason game yet. This is a non-issue right now. It would be more worrisome right now if Dallas signed Zeke to the biggest RB contract in the league than him sitting out because he has two years left under contract. Zeke gets way too many snaps and goes way too hard in practice. I won't pretend I'm happy he isn't in camp but I'm glad he is not gong through 100% and is resting. I'll start to worry if he hasn't reported about 7 days before week 1. Last time Zeke went to Cabo to train he came back lighter and in better shape than when he left. My prediction Zeke is back in camp in 3 days. But I'll start to worry in 3 weeks even though I've already said I wouldn't sign him this year and I think we can win without him. Plus, aren't you the one quoting the PFF stat as we speak that says Zeke isn't even worth resigning????

Actually here it doesnt matter. I didnt say he wasnt worth resigning, jsut not at huge money. I dont think RB's are worth huge money. I think you draft one , run them out, draft one , run them out, no matter how good they are. Rookie contract and move on. Pats have it right. So I agree here

2 - No one has been praised more by the coaching staff than Cooper. Guy runs every route 100%. i heard a report the other day where he hasn't lost one route yet. That's insane. Read about his quotes about his contract. Guy jut wants to play Football. But if a contract is on his mind then the last thing he will do in his final year is dog it in any way at all. He didn't give up on routes or drop passes last year. I can make things up about any player and say they may stop trying if they are losing but it doesn't make it true. Guy is the quietest most mellow guy on the team. Not sure where the proof of him quitting is. Plus these are reasons why they are overrated according to the writer so why mention something that is only pertinent after they already are losing? That doesn't make sense as a reason they are overrated.

Well no offense its the off season EVERY guy gets praise. Devante Parker is lighting up dolphins camp, again. He can run the routes too. If everything u say is true, your basing it on 1/2 of a season. What walter is saying is also true, based off multiple seasons. Has he changed? perhaps..........Is he gonna be a consistent wr? perhaps...........He wasnt with the cowboys last 1/2 the year, was under 40 yards more often than not

3 - Beasley was a complete big mouthed malcontent last year. He was such a big 3rd down option here because no one else could get open. Dallas barely tried to resign him and I've yet to read anything from anyone around the team that doesn't think Cobb is better. Did Walter's forget about that signing and how Dallas made a concerted effort to get more speed on Offense? Beasley was great at what he did but he was just one of the many slow Dallas receiving options that couldn't break big plays, didn't get respect from CBs that played them tough and tight and didn't force safeties to stay back. So while he made some big plays on 3rd down he was also a reason everything was bunched in the middle of the field which hurt both the passing game and running game. They needed a more explosive Offense and while I loved Beasley I'm glad he is gone. I also think he cares more about his rap career than Football and if you read his comments he is still infatuated with Dallas and I think trying to cover up for the fact that he would rather be there than Buffalo.

Beasley had a role. Again, cobbs an acquisition, and its the off season, of course they are gonna say cobb is better. But cobb couldn't get it going with rodgers? I'll choose to wait and see. Dallas may have made an effort to get faster, we'll see if they are.

4 - Just saying there is a "chance that Frederick could play this year" just destroys any credibility about this writer. Frederick is playing unless he has a set back of some sort. He has already hit his max weight lifting numbers from before his illness and is 100% expected to play. Might he end up not playing? Of course, but as we sit here today it is unlikely and the writer acts as if his playing would be the unlikely option.

Ok lets say this, theres a chance he may not play. Period.

5. If he has a bad season I hope he is fired, but Jason Garrett is absolutely not the worst head coach in the NFL. He is horrible at time management and does some idiotic things on game day but he is a great practice coach that stresses players doing things the right way and competition for jobs and as an example I loved when they had Taco inactive last year because they felt his effort wasn't there. He also is part of the decision making with Will McClay that has had all of these great drafts and built this team. Do I think he is a top coach? Of course not but he isn't the worst. He also won the coach of the year 2 years ago. I'm not pretending that means a lot but it does mean at least a little something. I think Garrett is a huge part of why this team turned around from an entitled group of guys that gave no effort to a tight knit group of guys that now win close games because of their heart and effort and preparation of doing things the right way

Hes not the worst, certainly not good. name 7-8 worse? or a new HC you wouldnt want over him. if the drafts were all great, and the team was great, what are we all missing from this dynasty? they are 20-1 pre-season and from 12-15 in odds. Certainly in with a shot, same as pgh, but TBD. Close games, are close games, they change from year to year, do it with repetition before you count it as a trend.

There was no number to this one and I started it above but they win close games because they are good and they have a clutch QB that plays his best down the stretch and they wear teams out with their physicality and because they rotate their defense and keep guys fresh. To say a 10-6 record could easily be 5-11 is just stupid. Who is that dumb. Want to say they could have lost one or two games, OK, but all 5 that were of 4 or fewer points sounds like an agenda or an idiot. Plus there were only 4 games they won by four or fewer points I think so he isn't even correct and they lost 2 games by 3 points. So now they are going to go 0-7 or 0-8 in close games?

Sorry that last paragraph and some of your content is purely conjecture and opinion, just like the writers

 

[handicappers]

And I agree it’s crap but I see it all over Cowboy sites.

You're a GD liar. STFU

 

[PhoenixEagles1]

The agent has ZERO say so on the 5th year option. Why can't you process this simple issue. The 5th year is mandated by the CBA to be included in 1st round picks and it's value is determined by other contracts.

Yeah... I was right. They do get paid.
5 myths of the NFL agent business - National Football Post

 

[PhoenixEagles1]

You're a GD liar. STFU

The funny thing is if I posted direct links you’d start some other nonsense and ignore the proof.

 

[Manster7588]

I don’t thing you are allowed to bring up other sites but one is Cowboyszone. Very very active site.

So a uninformed poster said it? Could you tell me what thread and poster so I can read for myself?
I took a quick look and what I saw was a bunch of twitter type crying.
Are these you knowledgeable fans you keep touting?

 

[PhoenixEagles1]

Sorry that last paragraph and some of your content is purely conjecture and opinion, just like the writers

I like Dallas a lot this year. They truly do have a ton of talent. One thing I disagree with Jarntt is I think Zeke is so fucking phenomenally good that he is everything to that team and losing him would be borderline devastating.
Did read something saying when Dallas signs Dak, Cooper and Zeke they will have the highest paid offense in the history of the NFL and were the 22nd best O last year. But on the flip side their Offensive style isn’t to collect tons of yards and score a lot. I’m excited to watch them. Though
I hate the Cowboys life is always more entertaining when they are good.

 

[PhoenixEagles1]

So a uninformed poster said it? Could you tell me what thread and poster so I can read for myself?
I took a quick look and what I saw was a bunch of twitter type crying.
Are these you knowledgeable fans you keep touting?

I just said it’s a very active site. Extremely active. Let me see if I can find it for you

 

[SteelersPride]

I like Dallas a lot this year. They truly do have a ton of talent. One thing I disagree with Jarntt is I think Zeke is so fucking phenomenally good that he is everything to that team and losing him would be borderline devastating.
Did read something saying when Dallas signs Dak, Cooper and Zeke they will have the highest paid offense in the history of the NFL and were the 22nd best O last year. But on the flip side their Offensive style isn’t to collect tons of yards and score a lot. I’m excited to watch them. Though
I hate the Cowboys life is always more entertaining when they are good.

i know your not down with PFF but they give zeke 0.2 wins above replacement

 

[jarntt]

And I agree it’s crap but I see it all over Cowboy sites.

Whatever site you see it on you should never go to for info again because they are morons. Let me guess. Same site where posters say Dak stinks?

 

[jarntt]

I said certainly they must get paid, especially since you are the one saying they helped a player sign a 5 year deal. The truth is neither side knows for sure. I just think it’s pretty certain they do since they are the agent for that contract.

The agent gets paid for the 5th year option. He gets paid any time the player gets a deal including for a franchise tag I believe. Usually somewhere between 2% and 3%.

 

[dbldwn711]

So a uninformed poster said it? Could you tell me what thread and poster so I can read for myself?
I took a quick look and what I saw was a bunch of twitter type crying.
Are these you knowledgeable fans you keep touting?

They’re not as solid factually as preview magazine articles but solid nonetheless!

 

[Manster7588]

Yeah... I was right. They do get paid.
5 myths of the NFL agent business - National Football Post

Try again. I already read that and it doesn't say shit about 5th year options.

You can keep spinning this but each time you do I'll just pour more dirt on your grave.

 

[jarntt]

I like Dallas a lot this year. They truly do have a ton of talent. One thing I disagree with Jarntt is I think Zeke is so fucking phenomenally good that he is everything to that team and losing him would be borderline devastating.
Did read something saying when Dallas signs Dak, Cooper and Zeke they will have the highest paid offense in the history of the NFL and were the 22nd best O last year. But on the flip side their Offensive style isn’t to collect tons of yards and score a lot. I’m excited to watch them. Though
I hate the Cowboys life is always more entertaining when they are good.

I suspect every year a new highest paid Offense is crowned because the cap goes up. I also suspect if a team signs 3 huge contracts in one particular year, including QB, they will be the top paid Offense. So I'd be shocked if they weren't. But since you want to bring up last years offensive rank, where did they rank in the highest paid offense last year? I suspect a lot closer to 22 than 1 so don't use this years cap and last years ranking.

 

[Schmoopy1000]

Man... could you imagine if I had the balls to say all this. The site would melt down.

well let's be real.
you could never make a post like that.
You are always trying to deal with absolutes.
SP was throwing out all the what if's

So really. You couldnt imagine making a post like that. So why would we?

 

[jarntt]

Sorry that last paragraph and some of your content is purely conjecture and opinion, just like the writers

I'm not talking about praise form the team only. I'm talking about from everyone around the team including writers and the such and Cowboy writers aren't mostly known for being blind homers like many others. There are some pretty negative guys in that group. And when it comes from the team it's unsolicited and singling him out. I'm not talking about comments like when someone asks "how is Amari doing (or Cobb)?"

 

[Schmoopy1000]

Yeah... I was right. They do get paid.
5 myths of the NFL agent business - National Football Post

I didnt read anything stating 5th year of a rookie deal?
All the stuff you gave me to read I already knew they got paid for. So what good was that link?

 

[SteelersPride]

I'm not talking about praise form the team only. I'm talking about from everyone around the team including writers and the such and Cowboy writers aren't mostly known for being blind homers like many others. There are some pretty negative guys in that group. And when it comes from the team it's unsolicited and singling him out. I'm not talking about comments like when someone asks "how is Amari doing (or Cobb)?"

and this is the tim e of year for puff pieces

 

[PhoenixEagles1]

Try again. I already read that and it doesn't say shit about 5th year options.

You can keep spinning this but each time you do I'll just pour more dirt on your grave.

The agent gets paid for the 5th year option. He gets paid any time the player gets a deal including for a franchise tag I believe. Usually somewhere between 2% and 3%.

 

[Schmoopy1000]

that still doesnt shed any light on the subject for me.
fran tags & all the other tags the player is being represented by the agent. Given advice & what not.

5th year option is simply attached to the players contract by the CBA. The agent has zero to do with it. In fact if a player doesnt have an agent when he is drafted. The 5th year option is already set up before representation.


On a side note.
I think it is funny. When Jarntt disagrees with you. he is wrong.
When he agrees with you, it becomes fact not an opinion. (automatically right) LOL

 

[PhoenixEagles1]

that still doesnt shed any light on the subject for me.
fran tags & all the other tags the player is being represented by the agent. Given advice & what not.

5th year option is simply attached to the players contract by the CBA. The agent has zero to do with it. In fact if a player doesnt have an agent when he is drafted. The 5th year option is already set up before representation.


On a side note.
I think it is funny. When Jarntt disagrees with you. he is wrong.
When he agrees with you, it becomes fact not an opinion. (automatically right) LOL

I just don’t understand why you guys think the players agent wouldn’t get paid for a contract he negotiated even if the 5th year option has a set price. They get paid when they apply a transition tag or traditional tag and they don’t negotiate any money for those.
Obviously Jarntt is brilliant when he agrees with me. It’s just sometimes he slips up and doesn’t agree with me. You can’t expect him to be perfect like me.