Would you make a trade?

[Cobiemonster]

the flexibility is just as beneficial to the Flyers as the picks IMO. they need to move salary as best they can so they can make moves that help the team. until a lot of that salary is gone, all they can do is sell. even if they were one piece away this year, they don't have the room to make a 'buy' type trade.

Yep and the only way they could make a trade like that is if they moved one of their coveted pieces they already have

The reason they need to clear cap space isn't just so they can make a buy type trade but so that they can sign guys in the offseason to one year deals and then flip them at the deadline to get even more picks and younger players

Out of A-Mac, Braydon Coburn, Nicklas Grossmann and Luke Schenn, two of those guys need to be gone in order to really help theirselves with cap space - to me, Braydon Coburn is the easiest to move because he's probably the best out of the group when on his game and he has an affordable contract - the other guy they can probably move is Luke Schenn because there's not a major commitment contract wise to him and he's still relatively young

Unfortunately they're stuck with A-Mac - as for Nicklas Grossmann, I like parts of his game and he's actually consistent as far as being physical and being able to defend but he's just so slow and that's his problem

If the Flyers get rid of two of those guys, that creates spots for Ghost and Sam Morin next season - In a perfect world as far as contracts and flexibility goes, you bring MDZ and Nick Schultz back for one-year deals to keep flexibility, and then Ghost and Sam Morin have spots on the D and those are four guys right there with short commitments contract wise and then Mark Streit, A-Mac and Nicklas Grossmann are the other three d-men

But I would be thrilled if they somehow got rid of A-Mac and any other bad contract

 

[lasgop8]

the flexibility is just as beneficial to the Flyers as the picks IMO. they need to move salary as best they can so they can make moves that help the team. until a lot of that salary is gone, all they can do is sell. even if they were one piece away this year, they don't have the room to make a 'buy' type trade.

If we are looking to move salary that bad why isn't Streit ever mentioned in these trade talks not to mention he would bring back the most return.

 

[Cobiemonster]

If we are looking to move salary that bad why isn't Streit ever mentioned in these trade talks not to mention he would bring back the most return.

He would get the most in return but his contract is still big enough to the point where it might scare some teams off plus he's a little older than a few of the other d-men so I wonder if any teams take note of that

Not only that but he's the only d-man on this team who can play on the power play consistently - MDZ has some offensive ability but nowhere near close to Mark Streit - he's an underrated piece on the team and flies under the radar - they need him at least for right now before the young guys like Ghost and Sam Morin can take the next step - if Ghost can become a power play regular and put up points there then maybe in two years they can move Mark Streit when he has a year left or so on his deal

 

[chy1127]

If we are looking to move salary that bad why isn't Streit ever mentioned in these trade talks not to mention he would bring back the most return.

Streit is making $5.6. He is a legit 2nd pair guy and PP QB. At this point I think he and Grossmann are the only 2 that are not addition by subtraction. (I am not including Schultz as he isn't part of the big 5).

 

[flyersfan4706]

the flexibility is just as beneficial to the Flyers as the picks IMO. they need to move salary as best they can so they can make moves that help the team. until a lot of that salary is gone, all they can do is sell. even if they were one piece away this year, they don't have the room to make a 'buy' type trade.

It can't hurt to add the flexibility, but do you think we'll be adding much salary soon? Voracek, Schenn, and Couturier are due for bumps in the next few seasons but outside of that I don't see us making free agency splashes. The defense will be drastically cheaper with the influx of ELCs.

 

[awaz]

It can't hurt to add the flexibility, but do you think we'll be adding much salary soon? Voracek, Schenn, and Couturier are due for bumps in the next few seasons but outside of that I don't see us making free agency splashes. The defense will be drastically cheaper with the influx of ELCs.

I don't see a lot, but it would be nice to not have to worry about resigning the ones you mentioned. And to still have space afterwards.

As it stands now, do they have enough to extend those guys? Even next year they're right at the projected cap if I recall. Without signing anyone new.

 

[flyersfan4706]

I don't see a lot, but it would be nice to not have to worry about resigning the ones you mentioned. And to still have space afterwards.

As it stands now, do they have enough to extend those guys? Even next year they're right at the projected cap if I recall. Without signing anyone new.

Coburn, Grossmann, and L.Schenn expire the same summer Voracek, Couturier, and B.Schenn do. That'd cover their raises even without any idea of how the cap will raise. It'll be interesting to see how Hexy fills holes on defense if the kids aren't ready. Hopefully we also have the prospects coming in staggered rather than trying to fit 3 rookies on the blue line in one season.

 

[flyersfan4706]

Make that two big insiders speculating we give Babcock a blank check

McKenzie: Flyers wouldn't worry about making Babcock $5 million coach

Bob McKenzie was on Toronto’s TSN 1050 on Monday afternoon.

Transitioning from a discussion on potential coaching candidates for the Leafs like Mike Babcock, with the one trump card in Toronto being that despite a roster that could be seen as unattractive and the media fishbowl, they have more money than anybody else:

“You know what though, there’s a lot of teams with money.”

Not Leafs money though.

“The Philadelphia Flyers have got... And I’ll tell you what – the way their team is trending, and with Berube... and I really like Craig Berube. And maybe they’re going to pull out of it. And they’ve got a lot of issues there. I think Ron Hextall is looking at the team in terms of what they’re building toward, and everything else. And I’m not sure Mike Babcock wants to go to Philadelphia anymore than he would want to go to Toronto, but they’ve got Claude Giroux and some other pieces there. And they’ve got an owner who’s not going to worry about putting a 5 in front of anybody’s salary, and a lot of zeroes after it for a coach.”

 

[lasgop8]

Make that two big insiders speculating we give Babcock a blank check

McKenzie: Flyers wouldn't worry about making Babcock $5 million coach

Bob McKenzie was on Toronto’s TSN 1050 on Monday afternoon.

Transitioning from a discussion on potential coaching candidates for the Leafs like Mike Babcock, with the one trump card in Toronto being that despite a roster that could be seen as unattractive and the media fishbowl, they have more money than anybody else:

“You know what though, there’s a lot of teams with money.”

Not Leafs money though.

“The Philadelphia Flyers have got... And I’ll tell you what – the way their team is trending, and with Berube... and I really like Craig Berube. And maybe they’re going to pull out of it. And they’ve got a lot of issues there. I think Ron Hextall is looking at the team in terms of what they’re building toward, and everything else. And I’m not sure Mike Babcock wants to go to Philadelphia anymore than he would want to go to Toronto, but they’ve got Claude Giroux and some other pieces there. And they’ve got an owner who’s not going to worry about putting a 5 in front of anybody’s salary, and a lot of zeroes after it for a coach.”

I guess Voracek is listed as some other pieces these days.

 

[chy1127]

Make that two big insiders speculating we give Babcock a blank check

McKenzie: Flyers wouldn't worry about making Babcock $5 million coach

Bob McKenzie was on Toronto’s TSN 1050 on Monday afternoon.

Transitioning from a discussion on potential coaching candidates for the Leafs like Mike Babcock, with the one trump card in Toronto being that despite a roster that could be seen as unattractive and the media fishbowl, they have more money than anybody else:

“You know what though, there’s a lot of teams with money.”

Not Leafs money though.

“The Philadelphia Flyers have got... And I’ll tell you what – the way their team is trending, and with Berube... and I really like Craig Berube. And maybe they’re going to pull out of it. And they’ve got a lot of issues there. I think Ron Hextall is looking at the team in terms of what they’re building toward, and everything else. And I’m not sure Mike Babcock wants to go to Philadelphia anymore than he would want to go to Toronto, but they’ve got Claude Giroux and some other pieces there. And they’ve got an owner who’s not going to worry about putting a 5 in front of anybody’s salary, and a lot of zeroes after it for a coach.”

I think he was referring to bringing back the Skate Girls!

 

[mall3013]

Shit.. I'd love to have Babcock behind the bench. Hexy and Babs is a nice combination of personalities for the orange and black IMO. Every day it seems like we are getting closer to that lottery pick. I like to see the Flyers win, but not if it means we still miss out on the playoffs regardless.

 

[lasgop8]

http://*********************/nhl-flea-market-buyers-and-sellers/

 

[JBM73]

http://*********************/nhl-flea-market-buyers-and-sellers/

Link doesn't work, las.

 

[lasgop8]

Link doesn't work, las.

Sorry JB the story was about buyers and sellers we weren't on either but the Oilers were supposedly big sellers and Yak was supposed to bring back an established player and a draft pick. Ill try to find it again and repost it.

 

[JBM73]

Sorry JB the story was about buyers and sellers we weren't on either but the Oilers were supposedly big sellers and Yak was supposed to bring back an established player and a draft pick. Ill try to find it again and repost it.

Awesome, thanks!

 

[wbon22]

On Babcock. If he is leaving Detroit his price tag is going to be HUGE. He is not a warm and cuddly coach with the media or his players and his teams play a defense first attack...with the right players that is actually more dangerous.

On trades. YES.
Clear the deck as much as possible. Get as many picks in this draft as possible. Don't take on salary wherever possible. Do take on "good soldiers" over reclamation projects like Yakapov.

 

[chy1127]

On Babcock. If he is leaving Detroit his price tag is going to be HUGE. He is not a warm and cuddly coach with the media or his players and his teams play a defense first attack...with the right players that is actually more dangerous.

On trades. YES.
Clear the deck as much as possible. Get as many picks in this draft as possible. Don't take on salary wherever possible. Do take on "good soldiers" over reclamation projects like Yakapov.

I don't care who the coach of this team is, we are not very good. We have 18 guys under contract for next year with only MDZ, Schultz, CC, VV, PEB and Emery not signed. No cap space and few roster spots is not a good combination.

We want to make a trade but our "assets" cannot be coveted or wanted by other teams. I have heard Coburn to Edmonton for the last 5 years. If he was so coveted, he would be there. If someone covets an inconsistent, 3rd pairing dman for only $4.5, you can have him. B. Schenn is a 20 goal scorer that will still be a RFA at the end of his current K. This is not the type of guy you want to move. Grossmann is a candidate but he is the closest thing we have to a defenseman earning his contract that we have. (Schultz not included as he is a UFA coming up). Someone may be willing to take a chance on Read as he has some solid numbers behind him until this year. Reported that he has been suffering a high ankle sprain all year and is starting to play better (3 assists in the last 8 games, better)? We could move Couts, G, Jake, Simmonds and Laughton but there will not be a return worth it. We could easily move Ghosh, Morin, Hagg or Sanheim but this would be really dumb and goes against the current business plan.

Teams but at the trade deadline and do stupid things. The problem is that they are usually looking for 1 year rentals. We have so few of those type players and other than Schultz, non of them have any real value. Its easy to say move contracts, but what team would want to go into the cap hell that we are in?

 

[Retroram52]

You hit it on the head with the statement about our asset, Chy. We just have a lot of players that can play Hockey but either have a bad contract (salary too high) or their Hockey is just not near elite level. Both things contribute to the inability to fetch interest from other teams. Or our asking price for value in return is not good.

Babcock may solve some issues but could very easily alienate this group more than anything else. If a tirade by Hextall had a couple of games effect and then faded away, what is an aggressive coach going to do for a whole year? No this team has lost its heart and they appear to be fairly mentally fragile as well. This mix is just not good.

 

[awaz]

I really just don't see Babcock leaving the Wings. They'll give him a competitive enough offer to stay in cozy situation.

 

[chy1127]

I really just don't see Babcock leaving the Wings. They'll give him a competitive enough offer to stay in cozy situation.

I see the same likelihood of Babcock coming to the Flyers as A Mac being traded. .001. It would be 0.0 but there is a slight chance that Babcock and another GM go out to party one night and end the evening smoking crack. In this unlikely scenario, while incredibly high Babcock says, " Dude, I am so fucking wasted, I want to coach the Flyers." The GM, the ultimate competitor, says, "I am more fucking wasted than you, I am trading for A Mac." Problem is that when they wake up in a few days, they will not remember the conversation. It could happen.