Why Tom Brady is doing what he's doing...

[Rock Strongo]

Ouch that hurts. What about the Pats fans that are still insisting Brady has done nothing wrong?

send em to cleveland.

 

[Rock Strongo]

Ouch that hurts. What about the Pats fans that are still insisting Brady has done nothing wrong?

my CEO is a browns fan born n raised.

after they drafted manziel, i walked into a meeting doing the money sign.

he didnt like that.

 

[Wamu]

my CEO is a browns fan born n raised.

after they drafted manziel, i walked into a meeting doing the money sign.

he didnt like that.

Johnny College is a clown. It's fitting that jackass owner Jimmy Haslam insisted on wasting a 1st rounder on that fuckin' chump.

 

[dkmightyhammer]

because by doing so he violates the CBA which is designed to protect the players from things like this.

and set a terrible precedent for his fellow players in doing so.

He only violates the CBA is he turns over his Phone because he's "forced" too. There is nothing stopping him or any other player from voluntarily handing over his phone (or anything else) in an attempt to clear them of wrong accusations.

 

[Rock Strongo]

He only violates the CBA is he turns over his Phone because he's "forced" too. There is nothing stopping him or any other player from voluntarily handing over his phone (or anything else) in an attempt to clear them of wrong accusations.

lmao

you have a solid grasp of precedent.

 

[Rock Strongo]

Robert Krafts Powerful Statement Reignites War Between Patriots And NFL CBS Boston

Robert Kraft’s Powerful Statement Reignites War Between Patriots And NFL
By Michael Hurley, CBS BostonJuly 29, 2015 10:57 AM
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Patriots owner Robert Kraft (Photo by Maddie Meyer/Getty Images)



BOSTON (CBS) — Well then.

We all thought that the only war left to fight was the one between Tom Brady and the NFLPA vs. Roger Goodell and the NFL.

We were wrong.

Patriots owner Robert Kraft made a surprise appearance in front of the media on Wednesday morning, and he held back nothing in his full-on assault on the league and commissioner Goodell.

Kraft called the league’s actions “reprehensible.” He said the league is going to great lengths to damage the reputation of Tom Brady. He essentially said the league duped him.

And he went at Goodell where it will hurt the most: He questioned the commissioner’s integrity.

“Once again,” Kraft said before leaving the podium, “I want to apologize to fans of the New England Patriots and Tom Brady. I was wrong to put my faith in the league.”

This — not Goodell’s destroyed cell phone announcement, not Brady’s Facebook statement, not anything else — this is by far the most fascinating development yet in the sad six-month saga that’s come to be known as “DeflateGate.”

This is one of the league’s most powerful owners coming out and stating in no uncertain terms that Roger Goodell has lied and deceived. This is Robert Kraft, a powerful negotiator for decades, saying the league did not play fair.

This is the reigning Super Bowl champions waging war on the NFL. Again.

Remember, it wasn’t that long ago when a defiant Kraft stepped on stage in Chandler, Ariz., after the Patriots arrived in Arizona for Super Bowl XLIX. That Kraft was pretty ticked off at the league.This Kraft today in Foxboro? He was furious.

It’s clear that it pained Kraft a great deal to do what he did in San Francisco in May, when he essentially hid behind “The Shield,” choosing to believe in the power of the partnership of 32 teams instead of pursuing his own interests. He thought that would be enough to resolve the overblown situation — one that still stems from a few hisses of air potentially being removed from footballs which were handled every single play by NFL officials yet never so much as raised an eyebrow. Kraft believed it was wrong to get docked two draft picks and $1 million, but he swallowed the punishment in an effort to finally put the story to rest and move on.

And since that date, he’s gotten no apologies from the NFL for a months-long refusal to correct the erroneous Chris Mortensen report which catapulted the entire story into a national frenzy. And he’s seen his fellow owners put pressure on the commissioner to go hard after Brady and keep the four-game suspension.

The power of the 32? Not so much. Every single owner remains concerned with two things: making billions of dollars, and winning football games.

Now, Kraft is apparently relearning that himself. He’s going back to war with Goodell and the NFL because it serves his interests — and because it is his right. Despite what we all think about what happened (or didn’t happen) the night of Jan. 18, the fact remains that a $5 million dollar investigation captured no incriminating evidence — and raised more questions about the investigation process itself than the actual findings. We can all use various bits of evidence to jump to whatever conclusions we like, but as Kraft noted Wednesday, “In the vast majority of these cases, there is tangible and hard evidence of the infraction for which the the discipline is being imposed, and still the initial penalty gets reduced. Six months removed from the AFC Championship Game, the league still has no hard evidence of anybody doing anything to tamper with the PSI levels of footballs.”

He’s right.

He’s also right in suggesting that the league’s leading yesterday’s ruling by saying Brady “destroyed” his cell phone was an intentional play at directing a narrative. That is what the NFL did with multiple leaks (some factual, some not so much) throughout the entire ordeal, that is what the NFL did with the release of the Wells report, and that is what the NFL did with the release of Tuesday’s 20-page ruling on Brady.

It is a PR battle for the ages, one that won’t matter much in whichever federal court the case eventually lands, but one that dominates public opinion about all involved parties. It was just a few weeks ago that Kraft and Goodell were sharing brisk walks and al fresco lunches in Idaho. And really, for the past two months, this looked like a war in which Kraft would not be a willing participant. Now, he’s leading the charge.

Are the Patriots hiding something? Sure seems like it. But as Kraft stated back in March, there is no “smoking gun.” He knows it, and so he will fight. And he’s willing to cash in his 20 years of built-up cachet to do it.

“DeflateGate” just got very, very interesting.

 

[Cincyfan78]

interesting...

But the NFL argues that not only did Brady not offer an explanation for why he chose that date to destroy the phone, but Brady's own actions suggest it is not normal practice to do so.

According to the NFL, Brady did not destroy the phone used before the one that was destroyed and even made it available to investigators. Brady used this phone from the spring of 2014 to November 6, 2014, but it was still around when forensic expert Brad Maryman examined Brady's electronic data in the spring of 2015.

The NFL found this suspect:

“This conflicts with the fact that the cellphone that [Brady] had used prior to November 6, 2014 was, in fact, available for Mr. Maryman's review. Had Mr. Brady followed what he and his attorneys called his 'ordinary practice,' one would expect that the cellphone that he had used prior to November 6, 2014 would have been destroyed long before Mr. Maryman was hired. No explanation was provided for this anomaly.”

 

[dkmightyhammer]

lmao

you have a solid grasp of precedent.

The precedent has already been set with other players allowing their phones to be checked. For example the same Ted Wells that was denied access by Brady to see his texts was given permission to look at Richie Icognito and Jonathan Martin's texts on their phones. Why didn't the NFLPA have a cow then? Wouldn't that have been just as precedent setting?

The 10 worst things about Richie Incognito in the Ted Wells report | NJ.com

 

[Tgann69]

Robert Krafts Powerful Statement Reignites War Between Patriots And NFL CBS Boston

Robert Kraft’s Powerful Statement Reignites War Between Patriots And NFL
By Michael Hurley, CBS BostonJuly 29, 2015 10:57 AM
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Patriots owner Robert Kraft (Photo by Maddie Meyer/Getty Images)



BOSTON (CBS) — Well then.

We all thought that the only war left to fight was the one between Tom Brady and the NFLPA vs. Roger Goodell and the NFL.

We were wrong.

Patriots owner Robert Kraft made a surprise appearance in front of the media on Wednesday morning, and he held back nothing in his full-on assault on the league and commissioner Goodell.

Kraft called the league’s actions “reprehensible.” He said the league is going to great lengths to damage the reputation of Tom Brady. He essentially said the league duped him.

And he went at Goodell where it will hurt the most: He questioned the commissioner’s integrity.

“Once again,” Kraft said before leaving the podium, “I want to apologize to fans of the New England Patriots and Tom Brady. I was wrong to put my faith in the league.”

This — not Goodell’s destroyed cell phone announcement, not Brady’s Facebook statement, not anything else — this is by far the most fascinating development yet in the sad six-month saga that’s come to be known as “DeflateGate.”

This is one of the league’s most powerful owners coming out and stating in no uncertain terms that Roger Goodell has lied and deceived. This is Robert Kraft, a powerful negotiator for decades, saying the league did not play fair.

This is the reigning Super Bowl champions waging war on the NFL. Again.

Remember, it wasn’t that long ago when a defiant Kraft stepped on stage in Chandler, Ariz., after the Patriots arrived in Arizona for Super Bowl XLIX. That Kraft was pretty ticked off at the league.This Kraft today in Foxboro? He was furious.

It’s clear that it pained Kraft a great deal to do what he did in San Francisco in May, when he essentially hid behind “The Shield,” choosing to believe in the power of the partnership of 32 teams instead of pursuing his own interests. He thought that would be enough to resolve the overblown situation — one that still stems from a few hisses of air potentially being removed from footballs which were handled every single play by NFL officials yet never so much as raised an eyebrow. Kraft believed it was wrong to get docked two draft picks and $1 million, but he swallowed the punishment in an effort to finally put the story to rest and move on.

And since that date, he’s gotten no apologies from the NFL for a months-long refusal to correct the erroneous Chris Mortensen report which catapulted the entire story into a national frenzy. And he’s seen his fellow owners put pressure on the commissioner to go hard after Brady and keep the four-game suspension.

The power of the 32? Not so much. Every single owner remains concerned with two things: making billions of dollars, and winning football games.

Now, Kraft is apparently relearning that himself. He’s going back to war with Goodell and the NFL because it serves his interests — and because it is his right. Despite what we all think about what happened (or didn’t happen) the night of Jan. 18, the fact remains that a $5 million dollar investigation captured no incriminating evidence — and raised more questions about the investigation process itself than the actual findings. We can all use various bits of evidence to jump to whatever conclusions we like, but as Kraft noted Wednesday, “In the vast majority of these cases, there is tangible and hard evidence of the infraction for which the the discipline is being imposed, and still the initial penalty gets reduced. Six months removed from the AFC Championship Game, the league still has no hard evidence of anybody doing anything to tamper with the PSI levels of footballs.”

He’s right.

He’s also right in suggesting that the league’s leading yesterday’s ruling by saying Brady “destroyed” his cell phone was an intentional play at directing a narrative. That is what the NFL did with multiple leaks (some factual, some not so much) throughout the entire ordeal, that is what the NFL did with the release of the Wells report, and that is what the NFL did with the release of Tuesday’s 20-page ruling on Brady.

It is a PR battle for the ages, one that won’t matter much in whichever federal court the case eventually lands, but one that dominates public opinion about all involved parties. It was just a few weeks ago that Kraft and Goodell were sharing brisk walks and al fresco lunches in Idaho. And really, for the past two months, this looked like a war in which Kraft would not be a willing participant. Now, he’s leading the charge.

Are the Patriots hiding something? Sure seems like it. But as Kraft stated back in March, there is no “smoking gun.” He knows it, and so he will fight. And he’s willing to cash in his 20 years of built-up cachet to do it.

“DeflateGate” just got very, very interesting.

Then he wrote a check to the NFL for $1,000,000.00 to the NFL again exposing his glass jaw. weak.

 

[Rock Strongo]

The precedent has already been set with other players allowing their phones to be checked. For example the same Ted Wells that was denied access by Brady to see his texts was given permission to look at Richie Icognito and Jonathan Martin's texts on their phones. Why didn't the NFLPA have a cow then? Wouldn't that have been just as precedent setting?

The 10 worst things about Richie Incognito in the Ted Wells report | NJ.com

they did "have a cow"

the NFLPA wasnt happy, and as you can tell, incognito has had a hell of a career since. that move did wonders for him.

funny how that works.

notice how the NFLPA barely even came to his defense?

whats 2 + 2?

 

[Rock Strongo]

LMFAO

from your own link

1. An attempted cover-up. The report says Incognito kept a "fine book" that tracked penalties handed down by the team's kangaroo court. After Martin went public with bullying and harassment allegations against Incognito, the report says Incognito texted two teammates to ask them to destroy the book.1. An attempted cover-up. The report says Incognito kept a "fine book" that tracked penalties handed down by the team's kangaroo court. After Martin went public with bullying and harassment allegations against Incognito, the report says Incognito texted two teammates to ask them to destroy the book.

 

[dkmightyhammer]

they did "have a cow"

the NFLPA wasnt happy, and as you can tell, incognito has had a hell of a career since. that move did wonders for him.

funny how that works.

notice how the NFLPA barely even came to his defense?

whats 2 + 2?

That is a different argument. You said Brady shouldn't/couldn't/wouldn't turn his phone over (even voluntarily) because of the dangerous precedent it would set. It turns out the precedent has already been set by other players. The purpose of Icognito releasing his texts to Ted Wells was to show he wasn't trying to bully Martin. The texts showed bad, foul language but confirmed what Icognito was claiming. Ted Wells even says in his report "We accept that these messages are nothing more than thoughtless banter, with no underlying malicious intent. But such jokes are nonetheless reprehensible and arguably reflect deep-seated racial hostility.”

So you can see that players have already set the precedent of using texts to clear themselves of inaccurate accusations. Brady had the same opportunity.

 

[Rock Strongo]

That is a different argument. You said Brady shouldn't/couldn't/wouldn't turn his phone over (even voluntarily) because of the dangerous precedent it would set. It turns out the precedent has already been set by other players. The purpose of Icognito releasing his texts to Ted Wells was to show he wasn't trying to bully Martin. The texts showed bad, foul language but confirmed what Icognito was claiming. Ted Wells even says in his report "We accept that these messages are nothing more than thoughtless banter, with no underlying malicious intent. But such jokes are nonetheless reprehensible and arguably reflect deep-seated racial hostility.”

So you can see that players have already set the precedent of using texts to clear themselves of inaccurate accusations. Brady had the same opportunity.

no, its not a different argument

 

[Rock Strongo]

LMFAO

from your own link

1. An attempted cover-up. The report says Incognito kept a "fine book" that tracked penalties handed down by the team's kangaroo court. After Martin went public with bullying and harassment allegations against Incognito, the report says Incognito texted two teammates to ask them to destroy the book.1. An attempted cover-up. The report says Incognito kept a "fine book" that tracked penalties handed down by the team's kangaroo court. After Martin went public with bullying and harassment allegations against Incognito, the report says Incognito texted two teammates to ask them to destroy the book.

curious

did incognito get suspended for "failure to cooperate"?

 

[Rock Strongo]

hmmmm

 

[dkmightyhammer]

no, its not a different argument

Of course it is. The NFLPA isn't stopping Icognito from working. They want him to find a job.

We were discussing whether any other players had given over their phones to NFL investigators and we now know that they have. Brady's argument that it would set a precedent is as flat as the balls he was throwing.

 

[Center Ice]

follow me here.


Brady doesnt really think (or believe) he is "innocent". i dont think he ever did, or can anymore.

whats he doing?

trying to keep his job. he wants to play football.

in 2001, drew bledsoe scrambled right on a benign play vs the jets:

the franchise QB goes down. what does belichick do? turn to the younger, unproven former college star for the remainder of the season, even when the highest paid QB in history (at the time) returned and was ready. the old adage "you dont lose your job to injury" was thrown out the window by bill.

what happened from that point forward is record setting history. tom steps in and never looks back, drew toiled around the league and retired a few years later.

you dont think brady sees history repeating itself? a young kid who surpassed tony romos numbers...who has much better athletic ability than aging tom...is chomping at the bit, waiting for his chance.

brady sees it. brady lived it. brady is petrified bill will do it again. he probably doesnt trust bill. his contract is up in 2017.

brady lives for football. all jokes aside, if anyones ever followed the guy...he still sees himself as pick 199.

now, hes fighting father time and trying to fend off the younger guy who is simply waiting for history to repeat itself.

The only thing Tom Brady is thinking about is the 5th ring. Nobody else has it and sitting out 4 games will hamper his ability to secure his legacy as the all time best in that regard. His age doesn't help. He has no choice but to fight.

Joe Montana admitted the 49ers sprayed silicone on their jersey's until they got caught. Everybody is trying to find an edge. The real embarrassment is the commissioner turning the NFL into a court room 3 ring circus over a slightly deflated football. A real pro would have handled it far better.

 

[Rock Strongo]

Of course it is. The NFLPA isn't stopping Icognito from working. They want him to find a job.

We were discussing whether any other players had given over their phones to NFL investigators and we now know that they have. Brady's argument that it would set a precedent is as flat as the balls he was throwing.

never worked for or with a union huh?

 

[dkmightyhammer]

curious

did incognito get suspended for "failure to cooperate"?

No. He cooperated completely. They suspended Incognito indefinitely for conduct detrimental to the team.

 

[Rock Strongo]

No. He cooperated completely. They suspended Incognito indefinitely for conduct detrimental to the team.

no he didnt. your own link stated he had his book destroyed.

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