Why are NBA TV ratings down so much?

[tlance]

I’d say that an option featuring approximately 2/3 of shots being missed is a shitty product. But that’s just me. And that’s before we get into the endless free throw-timeout-replay review cycle at the end of the game.

I know that the analytics disagree with me and I fully accept that. But it’s a shitty product(and from the clip I posted, is defense even a thing any longer in the NBA?). It reminds me how baseball fell in love with “launch angle” and strikeouts went through the roof and there was no longer any baseball being played.

Please answer the question.

Is a 2 point shot that a player makes 50% of the time a good shot?

Also pretty easy to find a minute long clip of bad play in any sport at any level.

 

[trojanfan12]

I know. I know. But this shit has ruined the game.

I wouldn't go that far. But it can make for some ugly basketball, especially if one or both teams aren't hitting.

Teams need to do a better job of letting success be their guide...if the shot ain't falling...start looking inside more. Then try the 3 again later.

 

[trojanfan12]

I think the Load Management bullshit has turned a lot of fans off. Also, having to listen to bleeding heart Libs like Kerr and Pop bitch and preach to everyone each time they pic up a Mic. People hear enough of that shit on political sites, they don't need it in their Hoop watching

The load management pisses me off. Not so much the load management itself, but the way they're so blatant about it. It's been a part of the NBA since at least the 80's...it just wasn't talked about. Now, everybody is talking about it to the point that you have players saying they're not playing back to backs.

 

[ducky]

Pfft.

You obviously don’t appreciate the subtle art that is rebounding.

 

[chappee11]

Please answer the question.

Is a 2 point shot that a player makes 50% of the time a good shot?

Also pretty easy to find a minute long clip of bad play in any sport at any level.

I can’t argue with the computer. I know I can’t win. But on a purely aesthetic level, watching good interior passing leading to an open 2 point attempt from 12 feet beats watching a 7 footer throwing up an uncontested 3 all day. Teams just pass the ball around the perimeter looking for the best 3 point shot now. I liked it better when they just looked for the best shot period.

 

[chappee11]

Meanwhile, the Suns are up 23 points in the 4th quarter here. Why are they chucking up 3’s in the first 5 seconds of the 24 second clock anyway? Why not work the clock a bit before doing ANYTHING? Why do they need to attempt 3’s at all in this scenario? This is basic stuff. The fundamentals are dead.

 

[Jordan23]

Because we have morons who think this guy is the goat, lol.

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[msgkings322]

I can’t argue with the computer. I know I can’t win. But on a purely aesthetic level, watching good interior passing leading to an open 2 point attempt from 12 feet beats watching a 7 footer throwing up an uncontested 3 all day. Teams just pass the ball around the perimeter looking for the best 3 point shot now. I liked it better when they just looked for the best shot period.

That’s not really the case a lot of those are dribble penetration and kick outs. Warriors in the KD era played some of the most beautiful basketball of ever with tons of passing and 30+ assists every night. They still use that system they just don’t have that level of talent anymore. And many teams use the motion offense

 

[The Q]

The load management pisses me off. Not so much the load management itself, but the way they're so blatant about it. It's been a part of the NBA since at least the 80's...it just wasn't talked about. Now, everybody is talking about it to the point that you have players saying they're not playing back to backs.

Load management used to mean playing 75 games if you avoided injury

Now it means 65 at best

 

[tlance]

I can’t argue with the computer. I know I can’t win. But on a purely aesthetic level, watching good interior passing leading to an open 2 point attempt from 12 feet beats watching a 7 footer throwing up an uncontested 3 all day. Teams just pass the ball around the perimeter looking for the best 3 point shot now. I liked it better when they just looked for the best shot period.

But see?

Math says that the best shot is the uncontested 3.

Your team takes 100 2 pointers and makes 50% while my team takes 100 3 pointers and makes 35%…

My team wins.

Extreme example, but there is a reason players are being coached to shoot more 3s. They are great shots.

Yes, you can’t just chuck early random contested 3s, but working the offense for a clean look at a 3 is basketball at a higher level than working offense for a 17 foot jump shot.

 

[chappee11]

Meanwhile, the Suns are up 23 points in the 4th quarter here. Why are they chucking up 3’s in the first 5 seconds of the 24 second clock anyway? Why not work the clock a bit before doing ANYTHING? Why do they need to attempt 3’s at all in this scenario? This is basic stuff. The fundamentals are dead.

@bksballer89 @tlance Do you guys want to field this one? Why is a team that is up by 23 points in the 4th quarter chucking up 3’s and not working the shot clock at all? Is strategy completely obsolete from today’s game?

 

[thunderc]

But see?

Math says that the best shot is the uncontested 3.

Your team takes 100 2 pointers and makes 50% while my team takes 100 3 pointers and makes 35%…

My team wins.

Extreme example, but there is a reason players are being coached to shoot more 3s. They are great shots.

Yes, you can’t just chuck early random contested 3s, but working the offense for a clean look at a 3 is basketball at a higher level than working offense for a 17 foot jump shot.

I agree with one thing, it’s lazy basketball. I prefer the older style of ball but I know we aren’t going back anytime soon. Basketball should be more than who can get the most open threes in my opinion. I would be in favor of eliminating the corner 3 at a minimum.

 

[eaglesnut]

I think the Load Management bullshit has turned a lot of fans off. Also, having to listen to bleeding heart Libs like Kerr and Pop bitch and preach to everyone each time they pic up a Mic. People hear enough of that shit on political sites, they don't need it in their Hoop watching

"Load management" is the solution to the problem of the nba season being too long, and any individual regular season game being too pointless.

The nba becoming an obama-styled political tool under his corrupt and racist leadership definitely turned a lot of true basketball people off from the league.

 

[eaglesnut]

Please answer the question.

Is a 2 point shot that a player makes 50% of the time a good shot?

Also pretty easy to find a minute long clip of bad play in any sport at any level.

3 x 33% = 2 x 50%

We know the math.

"It's a shitty product"

Can you read?

 

[eaglesnut]

The load management pisses me off. Not so much the load management itself, but the way they're so blatant about it. It's been a part of the NBA since at least the 80's...it just wasn't talked about. Now, everybody is talking about it to the point that you have players saying they're not playing back to backs.

An honest assessment of the conditions is a prerequisite to solving those conditions.

You want everyone to stick their fingers in their ears, bite their tongue, and play pretend because it protects your delicate sensibilities. Come on, princess.

 

[thunderc]

3 x 33% = 2 x 50%

We know the math.

"It's a shitty product"

Can you read?

I mean I get the math but let’s look closer at the math. If it takes 3 shots to score the same as 2 shots that means there are fewer scoring opportunities left to score. On its face the math is this, shooting 2’s at a 50 percent clip results in 0.5 pts per shot. Shooting 3’s at a 33 percent clip results in 0.33 pts per shot. It’s the guys that shoot 40 percent that really make the “math” work.

 

[eaglesnut]

I mean I get the math but let’s look closer at the math. If it takes 3 shots to score the same as 2 shots that means there are fewer scoring opportunities left to score. On its face the math is this, shooting 2’s at a 50 percent clip results in 0.5 pts per shot. Shooting 3’s at a 33 percent clip results in 0.33 pts per shot. It’s the guys that shoot 40 percent that really make the “math” work.

Let's look at the sport and if its enjoyable to watch.

Two disingenuous douchers wanted to talk math in this thread. That is only to avoid the real issue presented in this thread that it's not fun to watch teams jack up threes.

I do hear you and the math can be fun. Strategic thinking is the only real thinking. Manipulating the rules to your advantage is an art off the court as much as on it. That's a cool topic.

But we are talking about entertainment. And more specfically the lack of entertainment when jacking up 3s is the standard offense in the league because the season is too long to work harder each possession and show the fans something worth watching.

 

[thunderc]

Let's look at the sport and if its enjoyable to watch.

Two disingenuous douchers wanted to talk math in this thread. That is only to avoid the real issue presented in this thread that it's not fun to watch teams jack up threes.

I do hear you and the math can be fun. Strategic thinking is the only real thinking. Manipulating the rules to your advantage is an art off the court as much as on it. That's a cool topic.

But we are talking about entertainment. And more specfically the lack of entertainment when jacking up 3s is the standard offense in the league because the season is too long to work harder each possession and show the fans something worth watching.

I defended the math, you are on your own if you want to be a dickhead.

 

[bksballer89]

@bksballer89 @tlance Do you guys want to field this one? Why is a team that is up by 23 points in the 4th quarter chucking up 3’s and not working the shot clock at all? Is strategy completely obsolete from today’s game?

What game is this from?

 

[eaglesnut]

I defended the math, you are on your own if you want to be a dickhead.

Sure, there's a lot more that can be said about the math of 2s vs 3s. But it's besides the point. The entertainment value of the sport.