Where does Kirk Cousins land?

[j_y19]

The funny thing is, Bruce appears to be using the FT, that has worked so well FOR Kirk, against him now. It's a rather interesting move, however, to me Bruce is still related to one of these guys!

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What Bruce may not understand is that if he tags him and when KC signs, its now on bruce to execute a trade to recoup his investment. This means finding a willing partner that is acceptable to KC and working out the details of a deal the make all 3 parties happy. He has to do all the heavy lifting......not something he is used to doing or has ever done well.

 

[Stymietee]

What Bruce may not understand is that if he tags him and when KC signs, its now on bruce to execute a trade to recoup his investment. This means finding a willing partner that is acceptable to KC and working out the details of a deal the make all 3 parties happy. He has to do all the heavy lifting......not something he is used to doing or has ever done well.

Exactly, this is all on Bruce, we'll know fairly soon on or after the 20th if he's on the job or not. First step will be to tag Kirk, one second after midnight on the 20th. What we do know if Kirk is believed, is that he's had no contact with Bruce before or since the Smith signing. He did say that, he had talked to both Gruden and Snyder, the latter, might be key in that Dan was informed about teams that kirk would be willing to play on.

Kirk knows that the team will FT him, and he's not stupid. By all accounts he's a work bug, who also knows that where ever he goes, there's much to be done in order to get familiar with players, coaches, and playbooks, not to mention his home life settled sooner rather than later. . Bruce will be negotiating with these teams, which btw, I cannot believe a deal has not already been reached in principal with one of them. All of this will come to a rather sudden conclusion long before free agency begins.

 

[Sleepy T]

It's all about him signing the tag first though, right?

As long as he signs the tag, the redskins can do whatever they want with him. Presumably, a new team wouldn't trade for KC until they had a LTD worked out with him.

Also presumably, KC would recognize this as yet another (shitty) "business decision" from the Skins, and sign the tag. There'd be literally no reason not to: he can't negotiatie with other teams - if it's the exclusive tag - and if he waits too long, there will be fewer teams that need qbs.

The ONLY reason for KC to NOT sign the tag quickly, is to screw with the Redskins free agency questions. Which he COULD do, but that isn't exactly in character for him. Plus, it wouldn't exactly garner good will among potential employers.

A "business decision," is what it is....

Exactly, Cousins COULD screw with us, but is that really in HIS best interests? Not at all. Is there some bad blood? I’m sure there is. But I don’t think KC or the FO for that matter will let a personal vendetta get in the way of doing what’s best for your party.

IF a tag is placed, Kirk needs to realize it is business. Bruce is trying to recoup, and get better value out of him than a 3rd round conditional pick. Bruce will also need to be realistic and realize that he will not get to pick and choose where KC goes and for what compensation. KC picks a team or two of his choice that can give he him the LTD that he wants. Then all 3 parties sit down at the table and work out a fair and realistic trade, not necessarily 2-1sts, or a 2nd-3rd-and 4th. Something that everyone walks away from the table feeling ok about. This notion that a team won’t give up a pick or two when they are potentially turning their team into a legit SB contender is absurd.

But....if KC wants to sign the tag and collect the paycheck while on the inactive...then he could do that.

 

[Sharkinva]

Exactly, Cousins COULD screw with us, but is that really in HIS best interests? Not at all. Is there some bad blood? I’m sure there is. But I don’t think KC or the FO for that matter will let a personal vendetta get in the way of doing what’s best for your party.

IF a tag is placed, Kirk needs to realize it is business. Bruce is trying to recoup, and get better value out of him than a 3rd round conditional pick. Bruce will also need to be realistic and realize that he will not get to pick and choose where KC goes and for what compensation. KC picks a team or two of his choice that can give he him the LTD that he wants. Then all 3 parties sit down at the table and work out a fair and realistic trade, not necessarily 2-1sts, or a 2nd-3rd-and 4th. Something that everyone walks away from the table feeling ok about. This notion that a team won’t give up a pick or two when they are potentially turning their team into a legit SB contender is absurd.

But....if KC wants to sign the tag and collect the paycheck while on the inactive...then he could do that.

Again I will ask, what does Cousins really gain from playing ball aside from possibly knowing where he will be 30 days sooner?? Unless you really think the Redskins can afford to hold him on an unsigned tag well into the free agency period.

Any team that was going to try and sign Cousins, likely knew they couldn't make him an offer until March 12th at the earliest. That would not change if Kirk is tagged, because the Redskins cant afford to hold him on a tag beyond that point.

Now yes, it would allow teams interested to make their pitch as much as 30 days sooner. But is that REALLY worth giving up a 3rd or 2nd rounder for??

From Cousins stand point, is it really worth 30 days to have Bruce dictate where you can go?? Or at minimum try to dictate where he can go?

Again if the Redskins had $90M in cap space and could afford to tag him and force his hand... I could see this working out. But the fact is, if they hold Cousins a week into free agency, how many players will they not be able to sign while they are sitting on Cousins trying to recoup something for him??

 

[j_y19]

Again I will ask, what does Cousins really gain from playing ball aside from possibly knowing where he will be 30 days sooner?? Unless you really think the Redskins can afford to hold him on an unsigned tag well into the free agency period.

Any team that was going to try and sign Cousins, likely knew they couldn't make him an offer until March 12th at the earliest. That would not change if Kirk is tagged, because the Redskins cant afford to hold him on a tag beyond that point.

Now yes, it would allow teams interested to make their pitch as much as 30 days sooner. But is that REALLY worth giving up a 3rd or 2nd rounder for??

From Cousins stand point, is it really worth 30 days to have Bruce dictate where you can go?? Or at minimum try to dictate where he can go?

Again if the Redskins had $90M in cap space and could afford to tag him and force his hand... I could see this working out. But the fact is, if they hold Cousins a week into free agency, how many players will they not be able to sign while they are sitting on Cousins trying to recoup something for him??

Shark, its not what Cousins gains by playing along, its what he loses if he doesn't. He has no choice if they tag him or not. But once they do what every they decide, he has complete control over who Bruce allen can negotiate with. SO this notion that he gives up who he can talk to just doesn't hold water. Bruce will have a very limited window to make this work so he surely isn't going to waste time with teams that Cousins says he won't do a LTD with.

As for this being a business move, Cousin's agent surely understands this. He is good. Very good. And this is where he comes in. He makes sure that Cousins best interests are met. Holding out to sign the tag isn't one of them. He will work with Bruce to make sure that Bruce us fully aware of what KC will and won't do.

 

[Sharkinva]

Shark, its not what Cousins gains by playing along, its what he loses if he doesn't. He has no choice if they tag him or not. But once they do what every they decide, he has complete control over who Bruce allen can negotiate with. SO this notion that he gives up who he can talk to just doesn't hold water. Bruce will have a very limited window to make this work so he surely isn't going to waste time with teams that Cousins says he won't do a LTD with.

As for this being a business move, Cousin's agent surely understands this. He is good. Very good. And this is where he comes in. He makes sure that Cousins best interests are met. Holding out to sign the tag isn't one of them. He will work with Bruce to make sure that Bruce us fully aware of what KC will and won't do.

Look, I get it... people are searching for some silver lining in all this. Some way to say the Skins will come out of this if not on top, then at least no worse for wear. And its great to say, oh this is all business and nothing personal from either side.

IM just not buying it. If IM Kirks agent, and I'm looking out for the best interest of my client, having to deal with Bruce as the middle man so he can get his cut simply does not sit well with me. Especially in light of how Bruce has handled my client from day one. The 30 days of tagged time makes no difference to me because for all intents Kirk is like a short sale house at this point. If the Skins tag him, he has got to be moved by the 13th latest or the entire balance will come due. Throw in the fact that Bruce does not have me or my clients best interest at heart, why on earth would I trust him at all going forward??

 

[j_y19]

Look, I get it... people are searching for some silver lining in all this. Some way to say the Skins will come out of this if not on top, then at least no worse for wear. And its great to say, oh this is all business and nothing personal from either side.

IM just not buying it. If IM Kirks agent, and I'm looking out for the best interest of my client, having to deal with Bruce as the middle man so he can get his cut simply does not sit well with me. Especially in light of how Bruce has handled my client from day one. The 30 days of tagged time makes no difference to me because for all intents Kirk is like a short sale house at this point. If the Skins tag him, he has got to be moved by the 13th latest or the entire balance will come due. Throw in the fact that Bruce does not have me or my clients best interest at heart, why on earth would I trust him at all going forward??

2 things. Your analogy to a short sale is spot on. Bruce has this property that he has to sell by a certain date. So obviously he isn't going to get top dollar. But he can get better than a 3rd and may get a 1st. Second, KC doesn't have to trust Bruce. He has the veto power over any deal Bruce produces. Because no one is going to trade for KC if all he is is a $34M one year rental.

 

[Sharkinva]

2 things. Your analogy to a short sale is spot on. Bruce has this property that he has to sell by a certain date. So obviously he isn't going to get top dollar. But he can get better than a 3rd and may get a 1st. Second, KC doesn't have to trust Bruce. He has the veto power over any deal Bruce produces. Because no one is going to trade for KC if all he is is a $34M one year rental.

And again, maybe its the pessimist in me when it comes to Bruce. But since signing the tag means Kirk can only talk to teams Bruce deems worthy.

Let me ask you..... what if Bruce comes back and says.. well we called every one on your list, but the only people willing to talk to you are the Browns, Jets, Bills and Dolphins. Because he signed the tag, and Bruce is the middle man, its not like Kirk can just say well let me start making calls. I trust Bruce about as much as I trust a stray dog next to a crate of hotdogs while I'm in the other room.

 

[j_y19]

And again, maybe its the pessimist in me when it comes to Bruce. But since signing the tag means Kirk can only talk to teams Bruce deems worthy.

Let me ask you..... what if Bruce comes back and says.. well we called every one on your list, but the only people willing to talk to you are the Browns, Jets, Bills and Dolphins. Because he signed the tag, and Bruce is the middle man, its not like Kirk can just say well let me start making calls. I trust Bruce about as much as I trust a stray dog next to a crate of hotdogs while I'm in the other room.

You know what KC says in that situation. Send the $34M check to my bank. Thanks for the support. Let me know when training camp starts.

 

[Sharkinva]

You know what KC says in that situation. Send the $34M check to my bank. Thanks for the support. Let me know when training camp starts.

Yep, I get that. But again Kirk was under the impression that he would be free to negotiate with whom ever he wanted as of the 14th of March. Barring the Redskins tagging him and deciding they are going to basically sit out free agency unless they can move Cousins, because of the cap thing, he would still be free to deal with whom ever HE chooses come the 14th.

So short of Kirk panicking, or the Redskins tryin to play hardball to prove who is really in charge here, I'm just not seeing a good reason for Kirk to in effect help them out at this point.

 

[Stymietee]

Time will tell, and we will see.

 

[chillerdab]

And again, maybe its the pessimist in me when it comes to Bruce. But since signing the tag means Kirk can only talk to teams Bruce deems worthy.

Let me ask you..... what if Bruce comes back and says.. well we called every one on your list, but the only people willing to talk to you are the Browns, Jets, Bills and Dolphins. Because he signed the tag, and Bruce is the middle man, its not like Kirk can just say well let me start making calls. I trust Bruce about as much as I trust a stray dog next to a crate of hotdogs while I'm in the other room.

If this was the case, there'd be no reason for Bruce to NOT let KC's agent call around the league to see who might be interested in KC's services.

If this was the case, Bruce ought to say, "Agent - I give you my blessing - call around the league. The ONLY people interested in KC's services are the Browns, Jets, Bills, and Dolphins. Call away!"

When the agent calls around and finds this to be true (because there is literally no reason for Bruce to lie about who is interested in KC's services at this point - he's trying to make a deal to recoup draft picks, not screw over KC for no good reason), a deal will get done.

 

[Sharkinva]

If this was the case, there'd be no reason for Bruce to NOT let KC's agent call around the league to see who might be interested in KC's services.

If this was the case, Bruce ought to say, "Agent - I give you my blessing - call around the league. The ONLY people interested in KC's services are the Browns, Jets, Bills, and Dolphins. Call away!"

When the agent calls around and finds this to be true (because there is literally no reason for Bruce to lie about who is interested in KC's services at this point - he's trying to make a deal to recoup draft picks, not screw over KC for no good reason), a deal will get done.

IM glad you actually think Bruce doesn't take things personal and wouldn't try to control where Cousins was traded to. But reality is, even if he let the agent call around, if the Broncos or Jets said fine we will take him off your hands for a 7th rounder. You think Bruce wants this to happen.

I suggest you boys brush up on your redskins history and take a real good look at the Champ Bailey trade to Denver. Dan tagged a player who didn't want to be in Washington and that he had no intention of paying. Now mind you Bailey tuned out to be a borderline if not elite CB. Instead of getting the draft capitol many were convinced we would get, we got the privilege of Clinton Portis..... it only cost us Bailey AND a second round pick in return.


As for your statement there is no reason for Bruce to lie.... there was no reason for him to try and throw Cousins or Scot Mc under the bus... yet he made a point of doing so publicly.

 

[Stymietee]

10 predictions for 2018 NFL season: Future Jet Kirk Cousins?

Pay attention to prediction #6 as well, then keep in mind that they are discussion starters, and not attack the messenger.

 

[gkekoa]

I like prediction 1 and think it is completely ridiculous.

I think 6 is likely.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

I like prediction 1 and think it is completely ridiculous.

I think 6 is likely.

Agree with #6 in terms of Gruden or all of those teams losing their coaches? I think that most of these predictions are bullshit & the NFL is one of the hardest leagues to make accurate predications about just about everything except the Pats (as long as they keep the same coach & QB).

I would like to see the track record of Graziano - I bet it isn't that great. Did he predict the Eagles to win the SB? How about the Rams success & having the coach of the year? I bet he was very high on the Giants at the beginning of the season.

Pt being nobody really knows what will happen moving fwd & that includes the fate of the Redskins & Gruden - only time will tell.

 

[Myles]

If money is the same, I think Denver is the best opportunity for him. Jacksonville #2.

Honestly, with where Cleveland may be heading, they may be the best option. Nowhere to go but up. They have more draft picks than anyone has had in many years. Pretty good O-line. 2 of the top 4 picks in the draft.

 

[gkekoa]

Somebody explain to me how Cleveland is headed in the right direction.

I understand they have more draft picks and have had more draft picks than any team in a long time...

They also won 0 games last season. After winning only one game the previous season, it is hard to say they are headed in the right direction. To further that thought, they only won three games the year before that.

 

[Stymietee]

Somebody explain to me how Cleveland is headed in the right direction.

I understand they have more draft picks and have had more draft picks than any team in a long time...

They also won 0 games last season. After winning only one game the previous season, it is hard to say they are headed in the right direction. To further that thought, they only won three games the year before that.

Best answer, they fired a guy from their front offices that we didn't want to keep. ( Sashi Brown) then replaced him with one of the more respected GM's in the business. (John Dorsey)

In fact, he has an immediate vision for this organization and seems to be working to towards that end.

New Browns GM: Anything less than an AFC North title in ...
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/new-browns-gm-anything-less...

 

[gkekoa]

Best answer, they fired a guy from their front offices that we didn't want to keep. ( Sashi Brown) then replaced him with one of the more respected GM's in the business. (John Dorsey)

In fact, he has an immediate vision for this organization and seems to be working to towards that end.

New Browns GM: Anything less than an AFC North title in ...
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/new-browns-gm-anything-less...

Definitely a good move...but there is a long way to go and they are the Browns.