Where does Kirk Cousins land?

[Breed]

Yes, he does. But of all of the guys on that list, including Smith, I think he might give us the best chance to maintain what we have. Somebody like Bridgewater or even McCarron May turn out to be something special... or complete duds. Keenum no thanks. He is KC Lite. Tyrod is probably more like AS Lite. Bradford...nope, one more knee injury away from being done. Smith is the safest pick out of the bunch.

I think that may be what the FO is thinking. Go the safe route for the next couple years, then draft someone next year or the year after that has the potential to be special. Let him marinate for a couple years under a veteran. Like Rodgers and others have done.

That's not a crazy plan actually and I agree for the most part with the assessment of the named QBs. Now all we have to do is draft that special QB and build up the defense till he's ready to be special.

 

[chillerdab]

If the Redskins tag KC with the "non-exclusive" franchise tag, thus allowing him to negotiate with other teams, then they are entitled to two first round picks as compensation if he signs.

If KC doesn't sign the tender, because he wants a say as to where he ends up, then its in the redskins best interest to hold onto KC as long as possible, preferably until after the draft, then rescind the tag. After the draft, there will be significantly less free agents to sign, true, but there will also be a significantly smaller qb market for KC's services.

Of course, if the tag is rescinded, the redskins get no draft pick compensation.

Perhaps it's time to reach out to KC and ask him where he wants to play next year, then call those teams and work out a trade (assuming they want KC). Pass that info along to KC's agent. Let the agent negotiatie with the new team.

 

[Sharkinva]

[QUOTE="chillerdab, post: 11227227, member: 9703"]If the Redskins tag KC with the "non-exclusive" franchise tag, thus allowing him to negotiate with other teams, then they are entitled to two first round picks as compensation if he signs.

If KC doesn't sign the tender, because he wants a say as to where he ends up, then its in the redskins best interest to hold onto KC as long as possible, preferably until after the draft, then rescind the tag. After the draft, there will be significantly less free agents to sign, true, but there will also be a significantly smaller qb market for KC's services.

Of course, if the tag is rescinded, the redskins get no draft pick compensation.

Perhaps it's time to reach out to KC and ask him where he wants to play next year, then call those teams and work out a trade (assuming they want KC). Pass that info along to KC's agent. Let the agent negotiatie with the new team.[/QUOTE]



THe problem is they cant use the Non exclusive tag because I will be the 3rd time they tagged him.

So they can either transition tag him, or Exclusive tag him... that's it.

And if they tag him, he will sign it. At which point they can not rescind it.

 

[gkekoa]

I would think if we couldn't trade KC (which I find really hard to believe), we could still trade Smith. I think the only way that we couldn't trade KC is if he balked on signing the Tag or if he let it be known to certain teams that he would not sign and LTD with them if traded to them, thus limiting the field of suitors. But realistically, if we can trade him for better than a 3rd in this upcoming draft, its a win for us. And I bet we could get Denver or the Jets or Buffalo, or Jax to cough up a 1st.

Are you sure we can trade Smith? Maybe people wouldn’t be interested in paying him what we paid.

Except we trade him for a third and the sixth ranked corner in football.

I wouldn’t have traded Fuller for a first rounder.

 

[SJ76]

Cousins go to Cleveland
Lebron leaves Cleveland
Browns make playoffs

 

[Sharkinva]

Are you sure we can trade Smith? Maybe people wouldn’t be interested in paying him what we paid.

Except we trade him for a third and the sixth ranked corner in football.

I wouldn’t have traded Fuller for a first rounder.

The only way they could trade Smith is to NOT have him sign the Extension. If the trade goes through on Day one, and he signs his extension as soon as the trade goes through. To trade him again, we would have to EAT what I'm guessing is $40-50M in signing bonus.

The only way Smith isn't here is if the Skins bail on the trade, the Chiefs bail on the trade.. or both. In which case, both teams would have real problems drumming up trade interest in the future.

 

[j_y19]

It's all about him signing the tag first though, right?

As long as he signs the tag, the redskins can do whatever they want with him. Presumably, a new team wouldn't trade for KC until they had a LTD worked out with him.

Also presumably, KC would recognize this as yet another (shitty) "business decision" from the Skins, and sign the tag. There'd be literally no reason not to: he can't negotiatie with other teams - if it's the exclusive tag - and if he waits too long, there will be fewer teams that need qbs.

The ONLY reason for KC to NOT sign the tag quickly, is to screw with the Redskins free agency questions. Which he COULD do, but that isn't exactly in character for him. Plus, it wouldn't exactly garner good will among potential employers.

A "business decision," is what it is....

I agree. The more I think about it, the more it makes sense. Except that Bruce Allen will be handling the negotiations with both Cousins and any team interested. This does not give me the warm and fuzzy. If anyone can fuck this up, it will be him.

 

[j_y19]

Are you sure we can trade Smith? Maybe people wouldn’t be interested in paying him what we paid.

Except we trade him for a third and the sixth ranked corner in football.

I wouldn’t have traded Fuller for a first rounder.

No, I'm not sure. But unless he has a no trade clause, he can be traded. Of course not until he signs the current offer on the 1st day of the new league year. Now, I have no idea if we would have to eat some money or not. Guess it depends on what other team offer.

 

[gkekoa]

I know we can but we would have to find a trade partner.

 

[SteelersPride]

vikings or cards

 

[Sharkinva]

I know we can but we would have to find a trade partner.

Well we will know if they tag him as soon as they are able to tag players.

Thank you once again Bruce for giving us yet ANOTHER topic to argue over for the next 16 days.

 

[Kevin12773]

I simply do not care

 

[skinsdad62]

ESPN is reporting that the Skins are seriously considering placing the franchise tag on Cousins to maintain his rights and orchestrate a trade for more than the compensatory pick they will get if he leaves via FA.

This is a potentially risky move, but I think it makes sense. There is enough serious interest that KC will garner trade offers over and above the 3rd rd pick (maximum) we get in 2019. However, this is all contingent upon KC signing the tag. IF he doesn't, or delays it, the skins cannot trade him and the $34 tag price will count against the Cap, strictly limiting what the Skins can do in FA. What would be interesting is that if he does sign it, the skins have the ability to offer either KC or Smith as trade bait.

your last few sentences make it a dumb move if he counts on our cap we lose the opportunity to sign our guys or get any new ones , smith is 17 (low end i think its 20mil ) and KC is 28 mil ( low end ) making it 45 mil out of 54 , . and add to it you have smith with an albatross 71 mil guaranteed contract

 

[skinsdad62]

if i am smith i sign that extension , in fact smith said it was the reason he chose washington

 

[Sharkinva]

your last few sentences make it a dumb move if he counts on our cap we lose the opportunity to sign our guys or get any new ones , smith is 17 (low end i think its 20mil ) and KC is 28 mil ( low end ) making it 45 mil out of 54 , . and add to it you have smith with an albatross 71 mil guaranteed contract

IM simply going to point out that using the transition tag at this time would be about as useful as putting on your seatbelt AFTER you wrapped the car around a tree.

If we trans tag him, all a team has to do is sign him to an offer sheet, because there is zero chance we would match it.

If they tag him, it will be the franchise tag, exclusive and they will have to either hope he signs so they can deal him, or remove the tag by March 10th so that they have cap room to actually do anything.

 

[gkekoa]

The second the tag is signed, they can’t remove it.

Also, I think they are allowed to go over the salary cap so they would be able to sign our own guys. They just have to be under by a certain date.

 

[Sharkinva]

The second the tag is signed, they can’t remove it.

Also, I think they are allowed to go over the salary cap so they would be able to sign our own guys. They just have to be under by a certain date.

We have to be under the cap by the start of the league year. If Cousins signs the tag, we either have to deal him before FA, or we are screwed.

 

[Stymietee]

We have to be under the cap by the start of the league year. If Cousins signs the tag, we either have to deal him before FA, or we are screwed.

Yep, but the good news is...Teams will want to resolve this before the draft. That said, there will be active trading partners unless Kirk decides to screw himself and become disagreeable to any move.

 

[j_y19]

Yep, but the good news is...Teams will want to resolve this before the draft. That said, there will be active trading partners unless Kirk decides to screw himself and become disagreeable to any move.

Once again you are right. This would be resolved before the draft. It only makes sense for all parties. And if the team can net more than a 3rd round pick, they are ahead of the game and it was a smart move (wow, I can believe I am saying anything BA does is smart).

 

[Stymietee]

Once again you are right. This would be resolved before the draft. It only makes sense for all parties. And if the team can net more than a 3rd round pick, they are ahead of the game and it was a smart move (wow, I can believe I am saying anything BA does is smart).

The funny thing is, Bruce appears to be using the FT, that has worked so well FOR Kirk, against him now. It's a rather interesting move, however, to me Bruce is still related to one of these guys!