What program does the most with the least / least with most?

[4down20]

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Most with the least (and I'll probably get shit for this) Boise State.


The least with the most (and I'll probably get shit for this as well) LSU

You deserve shit for both IMO.

 

[smilesid]

LSU, two national titles in the last eleven seasons and an appearance in the NCG three years ago after dominating the regular season. Wow. Interesting choice.

Just think what they could do without all the pot smoking, barroom brawls, drunkenness, assaults, arrests, academic issues, and disciplinary problems.

 

[BigRedMoe]

Most- Bill Snyder coached K-State
Least- Oakland Raiders

 

[iowajerms]

You deserve shit for both IMO.

I don't think Boise State is that bad of a pick. From 2002-2009, Boise State had 3 recruiting classes in the top 10 among the mid majors. One of those being 5th. Yet, they dominated the mid majors. You might say "Yeah, most wins were vs mid majors," like I did, but those mid majors they dominated were considered to have better recruiting classes.

I don't agree with his LSU pick. They get great recruits and are consistently in the top 10-15.

Okay, I am more sold on Boise State now, but I am not that sold on TCU. TCU was one of the top mid-major recruiting classes and above many major conference teams quite often.

Boise State

2002 Recruiting Class - 74th (13th among mid majors)
2003 Recruiting Class - 100th (30th among mid majors)
2004 Recruiting Class - 99th (15th among mid majors)
2005 Recruiting Class - 64th (5th among mid majors)
2006 Recruiting Class - 70th (9th among mid majors)
2007 Recruiting Class - 68th (6th among mid majors)
2008 Recruiting Class - 89th (24th among mid majors)
2009 Recruiting Class - 72nd (12th among mid majors)

 

[smilesid]

Regarding BSU, stadium or budget size has nothing to do with their success. It's the shitty, weak as fuck conference they play in. TCU used to dominate in the same conference; now look what happened when they joined a big boy conference. N. Illinois had 15 minutes of fame, then were blown out when they had to face real competition in their BCS bowl, so N. Illinois, like BSU, is a product of playing weak as shit competition year in and year out, will rarely play more than 1 team with NFL talent, and plays in a conference, like BSU, where the games are rarely sold out and where the fans rarely ever travel. Dont' believe me, refer to TCU and refer to former BSU coaches who dominated at BSU and failed miserably when they left to coach in a real conference. If BSU ever has an opportunity to join a real, big boy FBS conference, they will fall into irrelevancy just like the others.

Really, the MWC does pretty well, their only BCS loss was when TCU fell to Boise.

They have a lot of talent, every year they see top players drafted. Now, I'll admit that Craig Thompson isn't the world's best commissioner, he gets told NO by the BCS more than the nerd does from the cheerleader.

If you want to talk MAC (N. Illinois & others) Boise is undefeated against MAC teams in the BCS era. Same thing with the other FBS conferences. And they have some impressive wins against the few "big boys" actually willing to play them.

If you want to talk departing coaches, I see it as what happens in a winning culture and climate. Boise doesn't have a lot of money compared to the others, but has won at every level at which it competes over the years. They will continue to do so in my biased view.

And I'll tell you what, let's find out what would happen if Boise got into a major conference. They've switched conferences many times, and always won at every level. Name another school with multiple national championships at every level and who hasn't lost a BCS game yet.

Oh, it might take a year or two, but I'm not a bit worried, so where do we call to sign up? It's as easy as ordering take out, right?:rollseyes:

 

[iowajerms]

Most- Bill Snyder coached K-State
Least- Oakland Raiders

I think it is hard to tell with Bill Snyder. 2012 was a year he did a lot with little. He also had good recruiting classes too, but Ron Prince was head coach when they were juniors/seniors and they did awful. In recent history, Bill had a few low recruiting classes that, as juniors and seniors, won 6-7 games.

Bill Snyder did great through the mid-late 90s, but IDK what kind of recruiting classes he had during that time.

 

[Jack_John_Mark]

If Nebraska built a stadium with 300,000 seats in it we'd still sell out

 

[BigRedMoe]

I think it is hard to tell with Bill Snyder. 2012 was a year he did a lot with little. He also had good recruiting classes too, but Ron Prince was head coach when they were juniors/seniors and they did awful. In recent history, Bill had a few low recruiting classes that, as juniors and seniors, won 6-7 games.

Bill Snyder did great through the mid-late 90s, but IDK what kind of recruiting classes he had during that time.

I don't think he's ever had a highly regarded recruiting class. He also went to a program that almost cut its football program just prior to him getting hired. 8 years later he nearly played for a national title. Most of his teams have finished in the top 25 or just outside of it. He did this with mid-level recruits and JUCO guys.

 

[BigRedMoe]

If Nebraska built a stadium with 300,000 seats in it we'd still sell out

I could probably get tickets more easily then too.

 

[Codaxx]

I think it is hard to tell with Bill Snyder. 2012 was a year he did a lot with little. He also had good recruiting classes too, but Ron Prince was head coach when they were juniors/seniors and they did awful. In recent history, Bill had a few low recruiting classes that, as juniors and seniors, won 6-7 games.

Bill Snyder did great through the mid-late 90s, but IDK what kind of recruiting classes he had during that time.

KSU never recruits.

2014: 49th
2013: 61
2012: 74
2011: 50
2010: 75
2009: 77
2008: 53
2007: 41
2006: 36
2005: 39
2004: 16
2003: 34
2002: 20
2001: 18
2000: 28

0 top 15 classes and 3 classes 20 or better.

 

[iowajerms]

I don't think he's ever had a highly regarded recruiting class. He also went to a program that almost cut its football program just prior to him getting hired. 8 years later he nearly played for a national title. Most of his teams have finished in the top 25 or just outside of it. He did this with mid-level recruits and JUCO guys.

I am a fan of Snyder. He was Hayden Fry for a few years at North Texas and was with Fry most of the 80s. During the time of his retirement the first time, they talked about how he took a program with 0 relevant history and turned them into a power. He is the first coach I always mention in Hayden Fry's coaching tree.

 

[iowajerms]

KSU never recruits.

2014: 49th
2013: 61
2012: 74
2011: 50
2010: 75
2009: 77
2008: 53
2007: 41
2006: 36
2005: 39
2004: 16
2003: 34
2002: 20
2001: 18
2000: 28

0 top 15 classes and 3 classes 20 or better.

When I say good recruiting class for KSU, I think top 25-30 (same with Iowa). If we are to start with 2004 season (4 seasons after the 1st season listed), KSU has only had two 10-win seasons. I would say a team with 6-7 wins with a 30 something recruiting class is not doing a lot with a little.

If you can show his 1st 10 recruiting classes, then I will have an opinion of his "more with less" in the 90s, when he consistently had double-digit wins.

 

[BigRedMoe]

When I say good recruiting class for KSU, I think top 25-30 (same with Iowa). If we are to start with 2004 season (4 seasons after the 1st season listed), KSU has only had two 10-win seasons. I would say a team with 6-7 wins with a 30 something recruiting class is not doing a lot with a little.

If you can show his 1st 10 recruiting classes, then I will have an opinion of his "more with less" in the 90s, when he consistently had double-digit wins.

CNNSI.com - College Football Recruiting - Signing Day madness means frenzy over rankings - Tuesday February 01, 2000 11:27 PM

I would dare to say that recruiting was even harder for Bill in the '90s. Especially the early to mid '90s when K-State was seen as a dumpster fire that had just been extinguished.

 

[Codaxx]

When I say good recruiting class for KSU, I think top 25-30 (same with Iowa). If we are to start with 2004 season (4 seasons after the 1st season listed), KSU has only had two 10-win seasons. I would say a team with 6-7 wins with a 30 something recruiting class is not doing a lot with a little.

If you can show his 1st 10 recruiting classes, then I will have an opinion of his "more with less" in the 90s, when he consistently had double-digit wins.

came back in 2009. Went 6-6, 7-6, 10-3, 11-2, and 8-5. That is pretty legit. They have been ranked 12 times in the schools history. He has been the coach every time. 1 bowl appearance outside of his tenure. He has a 66% winning percentage. Combined winning percentage of the rest is 35.5%. Prior 29 years before Snyder came they won 74 games or 2.55 per year. 27 the prior 11 years or 2.45 per game. Absolute train wreck of a program in the middle of no where with 0 recruiting areas near it. Just an amazing job.

 

[bigred472]

LSU, two national titles in the last eleven seasons and an appearance in the NCG three years ago after dominating the regular season. Wow. Interesting choice.

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Trust me when I say this but I like the LSU program overall. But when you consider that they get great recruiting classes every year, yet two 3-loss years 1-4 loss year & 1-five loss year. Factor in the number of underachievers and I'm not that impressed.

 

[iowajerms]

came back in 2009. Went 6-6, 7-6, 10-3, 11-2, and 8-5. That is pretty legit. They have been ranked 12 times in the schools history. He has been the coach every time. 1 bowl appearance outside of his tenure. He has a 66% winning percentage. Combined winning percentage of the rest is 35.5%. Prior 29 years before Snyder came they won 74 games or 2.55 per year. 27 the prior 11 years or 2.45 per game. Absolute train wreck of a program in the middle of no where with 0 recruiting areas near it. Just an amazing job.

I understand that. I also said that the years Snyder had good recruiting classes, Ron Prince ruined them when they were juniors/seniors. I also gave credit for those 10-3, 11-2 seasons.

Other than those, he had 6, 7, or 8 win seasons. I find 8 win seasons to be good. That is why I never mentioned 8 win season as a disappointment. But 6-7 win season is not doing more with less.

I gave Snyder a ton of credit for the 90s. I just didn't know what kind of recruiting class he had. I wasn't going to pretend I knew. I was not trying to say he didn't do more with less in the 90s. I was just saying he may have had some good recruiting classes. BigRedMoe did post that article that showed KSU was a top 10 winning % program in the 90s and not in recruiting. But, with the recruiting classes from 2000, I would not put KSU above Wisconsin, Boise State, Oregon, Stanford, or Iowa.

 

[iowajerms]

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Trust me when I say this but I like the LSU program overall. But when you consider that they get great recruiting classes every year, yet two 3-loss years 1-4 loss year & 1-five loss year. Factor in the number of underachievers and I'm not that impressed.

Give me 3 other programs that have done better than that in the same time frame.

 

[Berkeley_Blues]

Over the past decade, the Washington Huskies have been particularly pathetic despite having plenty of resources.

 

[Boise4Life]

Over the past decade, the Washington Huskies have been particularly pathetic despite having plenty of resources.

But unfortunately they're 2 and 1 against Boise since 2007, two of the games were at home and one was in a bowl game.

 

[WestEndVol]

If Nebraska built a stadium with 300,000 seats in it we'd still sell out

Need to make this happen

Yes I'm aware that isn't anywhere near 300k, and yes I was bored.