What if Coach Staaffe instead of Mullen?

[WVUDAD]

None of it makes a lot of sense, as during the four year period after the initial raid of the BE, as well as ANY four year period thereafter, more than 50% of BE was in the top 25 at least once. Hell there was a time when WVU, sPitt, USF, UL, Rutgers, 'Cuse and UConn were there. I just went to the BSC www, and it is NOT any absolute number, it is a % of the top league number, meaning everyone is held to the standard the SEC set, REGARDLESS OF NUMBER OF TEAMS IN THE LEAGUE. The standard there is NOT achieving 50% in relation to the SEC, it is being in the top 50% of leagues, which the BE DID meet.

 

[bbwvfan]

No, the BE did not meet the criteria. The Presidential Committee granted them a waiver.

 

[bbwvfan]

Here was some discussion on the BCS criteria from 2 years ago... very interesting...


Big East and AQ status - NCF Nation Blog - ESPN

 

[bbwvfan]

Another interesting look at the BCS evaluation process if it had continued past this season...


BCS releases criteria for automatic qualification | Voices.IdahoStatesman.com


BCS Future Automatic Qualification Standards
Under the terms of the agreements with the bowls and television rightsholder, the ACC, Big East, Big 10, Big 12, Pac-10 and SEC will have annual automatic qualification for their champions for the 2010-11, 2011-12, 2012-13 and 2013-14 seasons.
Results from the 2008, 2009, 2010 and 2011 regular seasons will be evaluated to determine whether a seventh conference earns automatic qualification for the 2012-13 and 2013-14 bowl games. The process is as follows:
* The evaluation includes the following for each conference:
(1) the ranking of the highest-ranked team in the final BCS Standings each year (if a conference does not place a team in the final BCS Standings, then its highest-ranked team is determined by the conference member that has the highest average ranking in the computer rankings used in the BCS Standings),
(2) the final regular-season rankings of all conference teams in the computer rankings used by the BCS each year, and
(3) the number of teams in the top 25 of the final BCS Standings each year, with adjustments to account for differences in the number of members of each conference.
A conference will become the seventh automatic qualifier if it finishes among the top six conferences in both No. 1 and No. 2 and if its ranking in No. 3 is equal to or greater than 50 percent of the conference with the highest ranking in No. 3.
* Further, a conference will be eligible to apply to the Presidential Oversight Committee for an exemption if it finishes among the top six in both No. 1 and No. 2 and if its ranking in No. 3 is equal to or greater than 33.3 percent of the conference with the highest ranking in No. 3, OR
If it finishes among the top seven in either No. 1 or No. 2 and among the top five in the other and if its ranking in No. 3 is equal to or greater than 33.3 percent of the conference with the highest ranking in No. 3.
No. 3 above, the “Top 25 Performance Rating,” will be calculated as follows: Points will be awarded to the conferences based on their teams’ finishes in the top 25 of the final BCS Standings each year. Points will be awarded as follows:
Teams finishing 1-6: 4 points for each team
Teams finishing 7-12: 3 points for each team
Teams finishing 13-18: 2 points for each team
Teams finishing 19-25: 1 point for each team
 
The point totals will be adjusted to account for the size of the conference, as follows:
Conference membership — Adjustment
12 or more members — No adjustment
10 or 11 members — Points increased by 12.5 percent
9 or fewer members — Points increased by 25 percent

* The computations will be made according to the conference’s membership on Dec. 4, 2011.

Read more here: http://voices.idahostatesman.com/20...nsion_ncaa_tournament_expansion#storylink=cpy​

 

[JIMKOON]

dead horse dad big least never measured up no matter how ya slice it

 

[Mac_Bridger]

DAD,


You feel the BCS was making stuff up?


What did you think about the other categories where the BE was last among the AQ conferences? I'm guessing you thought those findings were lame too. Too funny...

BB, quoting polls really is a poor way to show how strong a conference is. That is just the opinion of various people. Show on field stats. Wins vs Losses against various competition.

IIRC, the BE was one of the best conference when you compared their winning percentage against BCS opposition. The whole argument is silly though, the BE is gone and we are better off in the Big XII. It's a better fit for us, despite the distance.

 

[bbwvfan]

BB, quoting polls really is a poor way to show how strong a conference is. That is just the opinion of various people. Show on field stats. Wins vs Losses against various competition.

IIRC, the BE was one of the best conference when you compared their winning percentage against BCS opposition. The whole argument is silly though, the BE is gone and we are better off in the Big XII. It's a better fit for us, despite the distance.

I agree that polls are full of bias. Even the computer polls which the BCS used to evaluate and rank the conferences has some bias. But, college football is a poll based system. Next year we will have a playoff of 4 teams, so maybe the polls will have less significance.

But, you cannot say polls are a poor way to show how strong a conference is when the whole system is poll based.

I remember looking up winning percentage against AQ competition for the BE in the past, and it wasn't among the best.

College Football Trivia

Against Majors
SEC (40-34-0)--0.541
PAC-12 (34-29-0)--0.540
Big 12 (32-31-0)--0.508
Big Ten (40-42-0)--0.488
ACC (43-50-0)--0.462
AAC (35-42-0)--0.455
MWC (28-42-0)--0.400
Independent (33-51-0)--0.393
WAC (15-60-0)--0.200
CUSA (16-85-0)--0.158
MAC (14-114-0)--0.109
Sun Belt (5-82-0)--0.057

 

[WVUDAD]

AGAIN, stats can say what someone wants them to, you have ONE year there, look at this:
What's College Football's Best Conference?: OOC Games Vs. BCS Opponents Analysis | Bleacher Report

 

[bbwvfan]

AGAIN, stats can say what someone wants them to, you have ONE year there, look at this:
What's College Football's Best Conference?: OOC Games Vs. BCS Opponents Analysis | Bleacher Report

Are you responding to my post?

My stats are from '04-'07. The BE had to receive a waiver in '08, and would not have met the BCS criteria to retain AQ status for the review of the '08-'11 period.

 

[WVUDAD]

Are you responding to my post?

My stats are from '04-'07. The BE had to receive a waiver in '08, and would not have met the BCS criteria to retain AQ status for the review of the '08-'11 period.

You are so right, BB, how could I have been so stupid, WVU never played a football game before the 2012 season, all those games against sPitt, PSU, 'Cuse, Miami never took place. We dreamed that WVU beat OU in 1982, sPitt in 1983, PSU in 1984, undefeated in 1988, big deal, didnt play anyone, same in 1993, WVU didnt win the league and beat the SEC champion in 2005, didnt beat the B12 champion in 2007, and sure didnt beat the ACC champ in 2011. As of right now, WVU is 11-14 all time in football, per you guys metric, WOW. After next year lets revisit who was right on Holgorsen, OK?? He is NOT head coach material, PERIOD>

 

[bbwvfan]

You are so right, BB, how could I have been so stupid, WVU never played a football game before the 2012 season, all those games against sPitt, PSU, 'Cuse, Miami never took place. We dreamed that WVU beat OU in 1982, sPitt in 1983, PSU in 1984, undefeated in 1988, big deal, didnt play anyone, same in 1993, WVU didnt win the league and beat the SEC champion in 2005, didnt beat the B12 champion in 2007, and sure didnt beat the ACC champ in 2011. As of right now, WVU is 11-14 all time in football, per you guys metric, WOW. After next year lets revisit who was right on Holgorsen, OK?? He is NOT head coach material, PERIOD>

Are you OK?

Since you bring up teams like PSU and Miami, what was our record against them?

With your rambling, it is hard to follow, but the accomplishment of the '93 season was quite impressive... more so IMO than the '88 season as the SOS was much more challenging.

Doesn't change the fact that the BE was the weakest of the AQ conferences after the traitor schools left.

I am sure we will have many a discussion about Dana through next season.

 

[DCWV4life]

So if DH does not win next year does our super WVU fan get a prize?

 

[DCWV4life]

2008-2010 2-4 record against SEC and ACC schools

2011-2013 3-3 record vs SEC and ACC schools

Overall record.....One guy got to beat up on chump BE and the other guy only had that oppurtunity for one year and did it just as good as the guy before him.

 

[JIMKOON]

dont care who the coach is but another 4-8 will not bode well for program any program

 

[WVUDAD]

2008-2010 2-4 record against SEC and ACC schools

2011-2013 3-3 record vs SEC and ACC schools

Overall record.....One guy got to beat up on chump BE and the other guy only had that oppurtunity for one year and did it just as good as the guy before him.

At least get it right, 2008-2010 3-4, 2011-2013 3-2

 

[WVUDAD]

2008-2010 2-4 record against SEC and ACC schools

2011-2013 3-3 record vs SEC and ACC schools

Overall record.....One guy got to beat up on chump BE and the other guy only had that oppurtunity for one year and did it just as good as the guy before him.

STOP with the chump BE crap, if the BE was so damn easy, why the hell didn't ANYONE dominate after Miami left??? Why did Frauds great teams manage to go only 5-2 most years??? Why do you sing high praises of a coach who lost to Kansas and IAST? Colorado is a MUCH harder place to play than Kansas, YET............... WOW.

 

[JIMKOON]

loser

 

[WVUDAD]

loser

No, Jim a loser is someone who continues to back an in over his head coach, a loser keeps making excuses as to why said coach loses, blaming others for their guy's shortcomings. A loser holds different standards for different people, a loser says how bad a 9-4 record is, then says 4-8 shows improvement, even when two of those losses were to two of the worst teams in CFB at the END of the season, with most of the injured players back. A loser points to the only great win in this coaches tenure two years later as proof of his ability. He did good with the previous coaches players and has done worse each season as he has brought in "his" kids. Holgorsen is NOT a head coach, we have seen it with others, Mark Snyder and Charlie Weiss come immediately to mind as prime examples of how I see Holgorsen.

 

[bbwvfan]

I am proud to be a loser

 

[WVUDAD]

I am proud to be a loser

You fit it well, BB, we will see next year how well you wear that tag after a 1-3 start, Alabama is going to hurt our kids, just like 1987 when we played Ohio St early in the season and so many kids got hurt that we lost the next two games that should have been wins. One thing I like to see is that next years schedule has the travel spread better.