Were the 49'ers robbed?

[Davis_Mike]

That GIF supports the conclusion that a flag was the right call. I am not sure what you think you are seeing in that GIF?

 

[Breaker99]

His arm does not initiate contact with brees neck. brees neck initiated contact with his arm once he is being tackled. Only so much a player can do in that situation. If his arm was up around brees neck I would call it different. But it was around his chest and THATS WHY his neck and head folded like that towards his arm as he was being taken down. If his arm was on his neck/head area it would look nothing like that and his neck wouldn't be able to stretch back like that. It stretches back BECAUSE he isn't hitting him on the neck.... bad call. Thats my opinion, yo can all disagree as much as you want. Many others agree with my take.

 

[cdumler7]

The rule is "any contact to the helmet of a quarterback" so whether it be because he first hit the helmet or whether it was because Brees' head snapped back and hit his shoulder it is still the call the refs are going to make.

 

[TDs3nOut]

His arm does not initiate contact with brees neck. brees neck initiated contact with his arm once he is being tackled. Only so much a player can do in that situation. If his arm was up around brees neck I would call it different. But it was around his chest and THATS WHY his neck and head folded like that towards his arm as he was being taken down. If his arm was on his neck/head area it would look nothing like that and his neck wouldn't be able to stretch back like that. It stretches back BECAUSE he isn't hitting him on the neck.... bad call.

True, and that is to tackle lower. Doesn't matter that Brooks tried to hit him in the chest/shoulder area. What does matter is that Brooks' upper arm got Brees in the neck. That's going to be called nearly every time. Defenders have to adjust to the rule.

 

[MrMoJoRisin63]

Because it shows it was a bad call... all the contact comes to his shoulder and upper chest... as Bree's body gets taken down his neck and head get left behind which causes the contact.... It was a clean hit.

HOMER no sense in arguing

 

[Vitamike]

Umm, it actually had everything to do with it. If Brees was 6-5 that hit wouldn't have been at his throat at all. He only got hit in the neck because his neck is lower.

I think you miss my point anyway. I'm not saying it was the wrong call, I'm saying I think the rule should be changed because that shouldn't be a penalty.

No, it has absolutely nothing to do with it.

You say 'if' Brees were 6'5", well Broncos, players come in all shapes and sizes... rules like these are the ultimate panarchy of protection. They protect them all, not just the short, the tall, the slow or fast rather all of them

Oh and I just didn't respond to your point of a rule change because we both know that will never happen. So if that's the case, what's the point of discussing your point anyhow?

The NFL will continue to implement and enforce these rules changes that protect the players, especially for the QB, and not the other way around.

Sorry if you don't like it nor agree with the concept as it relates to the history of the game however that's just the way it is.

End of story.

 

[Wazmankg]

It's only borderline in slo-mo. It looks like a textbook clothesline at full speed. That one's gonna be called nearly every time. Brees' height has nothing to do with it unless Brooks had his eyes closed at was thinking 6'5" instead of 6'0". I assume he had his eyes open and could see what he was about to hit.

 

[packerzrule]

Many others agree with my take.

Many others do not....including the ref that thew the flag and the ump who reviewed it.

That unfortunately is all that matters.

 

[Broncos6482]

No, it has absolutely nothing to do with it.

You say 'if' Brees were 6'5", well Broncos, players come in all shapes and sizes... rules like these are the ultimate panarchy of protection. They protect them all, not just the short, the tall, the slow or fast rather all of them

No kidding. And if Brees was taller, there wouldn't have been a penalty because the hit wouldn't have been anywhere near his head or neck. I'm not sure why you're arguing that.

Again you seem to be missing the point. Of course the rule protects all across the board equally. That is clearly not what we're talking about.

Oh and I just didn't respond to your point of a rule change because we both know that will never happen. So if that's the case, what's the point of discussing your point anyhow?

You're right, because the NFL has never ever changed a rule before, right? And no one on a message board has ever, ever had the audacity to discuss things that have little chance of ever happening, that's for sure.

The NFL will continue to implement and enforce these rules changes that protect the players, especially for the QB, and not the other way around.

Sorry if you don't like it nor agree with the concept as it relates to the history of the game however that's just the way it is.

End of story.

If you say so, Mr. Commissioner.

 

[Vitamike]

His arm does not initiate contact with brees neck. brees neck initiated contact with his arm once he is being tackled. Only so much a player can do in that situation. If his arm was up around brees neck I would call it different. But it was around his chest and THATS WHY his neck and head folded like that towards his arm as he was being taken down. If his arm was on his neck/head area it would look nothing like that and his neck wouldn't be able to stretch back like that. It stretches back BECAUSE he isn't hitting him on the neck.... bad call. Thats my opinion, yo can all disagree as much as you want. Many others agree with my take.

Did you really fucking just write that!

Sounds like the guy who batters his wife.... "Officer I she hit her face against my fist!"

 

[Microwahevo]

If his arm was up around brees neck I would call it different. But it was around his chest

I think u need to put on ur glasses and watch that gif YOU put up again. His arm absolutely makes contact with his neck, and not his chest.

And of course there agree with u, there are other 49er fans besides urself.

 

[Vitamike]

Gentlemen, here is the rule

Rule 12, Article 13

In covering the passer position, Referees will be particularly alert to fouls in which defenders... use hands, arms, or other parts of the body to hit the passer forcibly in the head or neck area.

Now go back and look at that GIF and tell me that rules was not violated as it is stated or not.

 

[MrMoJoRisin63]

Gentlemen, here is the rule

Now go back take off your homer glasses and look at that GIF and tell me that rules was not violated as it is stated or not.

FIFY

 

[SonnyCID]

Yes, the 49ers were robbed....























By Kansas City when they took the better QB from them!

 

[Breaker99]

Acting like the only people who think it was a questionable call are from the 49er fan base is a joke. Stop being dumb asses.

Let me google that for you

 

[Breaker99]

Many others do not....including the ref that thew the flag and the ump who reviewed it.

That unfortunately is all that matters.

Glad to hear you weren't one of the ones upset with the call in Seattle against Green Bay last year.

 

[Used 2 B Hu]

It was probably the right call according to the rules, but I really think it shouldn't be a penalty. You've got to be able to hit the qb somewhere, ESPECIALLY when he still has the ball.

The bolded part.

I admit it looked bad at full speed and even worse in slo-mo, with Bree's neck stretching out like a rubber chicken's, but DAYUM, this is football! Dude with the ball is 'sposed-ta get hit.

Why don't we just go to an electronic patch on the offensive players' chests, and if a defender touches that patch, the play is whistled dead? Is that where we're headed? An advanced version of touch football?

 

[packerzrule]

Glad to hear you weren't one of the ones upset with the call in Seattle against Green Bay last year.

I wasn't because I believe that the Packers did not lose the game on that one call

 

[SonnyCID]

Questionable and judgement calls are part of the game. Everything is happening lightning fast, if a QB's head snaps back there will be a flag. Hell if any player's head snaps back from a big hit there will probably be a flag. You can bitch about the details after it's thrown but once that flag comes out it's over.

 

[Breaker99]

I wasn't because I believe that the Packers did not lose the game on that one call

Really? Well ok. I disagree though. They absolutely lost that game on that one call. It was a game deciding bad call. I am not blaming the 49ers loss on that one roughing the passer call, because we fucked up so many other times nor did it eliminate our chances. To be honest, some of the other no calls on the Saints defensive backs who were holding all game long bothered me more.... But in the seattle/green bay game.... you guys got royally screwed.