Wade: Lebron will never pass MJ

[tlance]

Basically, LeBron left a ready to win situation in Miami for a group that had a lot to learn.

It is easy to say in hindsight that he made a choice strictly based around winning championships, but there were other destinations much more title ready than Cleveland, including Miami.

 

[LAD]

This is precisely why it makes no sense when people denigrate decision 2 and say that he left Miami for a super team in cleveland. The Heat with leBron would have been much more likely to win in 2015 than the CAVS were. Their Cavs core had talent for the future, but they were not ready.

Everything they have accomplished the last 2 years is a testament to leBron's greatness, just as 66 wins in 2009 was about LeBron, not the surrounding talent. Clearly the current version of the Cavs support players are leaps and bounds better than what it was before the decision, but they aren't as good as the 2010 Heat supporting cast either.

I agree, LBJ is a great talent to build around.

I think if you take a better look you might realize that when LBJ had agreed to go back to Cle it was because he had already had a convo with Love about joining up.

Now we have LBJ, Kyrie (already on the Cavs roster) and Love. That is a big 3 in Clev. Kyrie is a younger version of Wade and Love is a more healthy version of Bosh. The similarities are hard to miss and the results are pretty much the same. (Heat 2/4=50%; Cavs 1/2=50%) And neither time did he have to worry about player development.

 

[LAD]

The Warriors have a title and 3 consensus top 20 players.

But, their core minus Iggy were acquired via drafts. Iggy & Bogut were the only ones that they acquired via a trade & then KD signed via FA.

 

[LAD]

LeBron made the right move in leaving the first time. At this point, that move has been as vindicated as it could possible be.

 

[tlance]

I agree, LBJ is a great talent to build around.

I think if you take a better look you might realize that when LBJ had agreed to go back to Cle it was because he had already had a convo with Love about joining up.

Now we have LBJ, Kyrie (already on the Cavs roster) and Love. That is a big 3 in Clev. Kyrie is a younger version of Wade and Love is a more healthy version of Bosh. The similarities are hard to miss and the results are pretty much the same. (Heat 2/4=50%; Cavs 1/2=50%) And neither time did he have to worry about player development.

I am saying that he did have to worry about player development the second time. Cleveland has talent, but Wade was a top 3 overall player when LeBRon joined him.

 

[LAD]

Kobe made threats to leave. Which indirectly lead to two more championships.

What did lebron do?

I think the difference though with Kobe & LBJ is that Kobe was smart enough to have no-trade clauses added to his contracts once he became eligible- which then played to his favor when he was demanding they get him help or trade him (because he didn't have to worry about being traded anywhere he didn't want to go).

 

[LAD]

Made threats to leave. Refused to re-sign a long term contract in order to make the threat real.

Which led to more incompetent moves by the Cavs front office.

You know what say about empty threats.

So was Kobe's threat empty? Or would he have left if the Lakers front office failed to deliver?

Kobe had leverage in his threats- even if they were intended to be empty threats. His no-trade clause made sure Kobe would only go to a team of his choice.

 

[LAD]

I am saying that he did have to worry about player development the second time. Cleveland has talent, but Wade was a top 3 overall player when LeBRon joined him.

Player development in who??? Kyrie? Love? JR? He didn't exactly leave Miami and join a team with a bunch of rookies.

 

[tlance]

Player development in who??? Kyrie? Love? JR? He didn't exactly leave Miami and join a team with a bunch of rookies.

JR was not there yet and Kyrie and Love had zero combined playoff experience. They had a lot to learn. Yes, they had talent, but they were more likely to finish in the lottery than the playoffs in 2015 without LeBron or the Love trade.

All I am saying is that there is a difference between joining a good core and a serious contender. LeBron just happens to be so good that wherever he goes becomes a contender and people overestimate the abilities of the other parts. Miami was the exception, as they were already a possible contender before LeBron made his decision.

LeBron joining Cleveland is absolutely nothing like Durant joining GS (not saying there is anything wrong with either), but some inhere would have you believe that Cleveland's core is similarly stacked.

 

[SJ76]

So let me get this straight.

1. A player like lebron wasn't good enough to lure top free agents to cleveland
2. A 66 win team and best team in the East wasn't enough to lure top free agents
3. Dan Gilbert wasn't good enough to lure top free agents.

Was not then but is now.

 

[SJ76]

No. Of course they were terrible before they got Jordan.

By the time Jordan could have ever considered leaving (let's just assume free agency rules made this possible) they had amassed a young up and coming core, much like LeBrob has now.

Yes, Reinsdorf and Krauss were a great owner/GM team. I don't care how many titles the Bulls won before that group was in power. It is no more relevant than how many titles the Spurs won in the era before Pop and Duncan.

Top flite organizations are what they are because of the front office (and obviously a great player or two). History helps, but a dynamic front office team gives you a chance. Jordan and Kobe had it, LeBron did not.

So stop calling people names and actually think about what i am saying. Bottom line, I am not even sure why you post here because you are an obvious hater. You are as biased as any poster on these boards. Your bias just happens to be against everyone in the current generation. I feel bad for you, because this will End up being viewed as one of the best eras of NBA basketball and you are missing it.

Hater of what? A great and talented player that bailed on his own home town? That recruited other great players to make super teams? please man STFU

Both Jordan and Lebron came into a shit hole organization. Lebron got to the Finals before MJ did and he still bailed. Even on his hometown. Meanwhile Jordan takes beatdown after beatdown to earn his stripes and has 6 rings.

What I am hating on exactly?? Someone who will never touch Jordan's legacy?

Funny shit

 

[GNG]

Wade: 'Not possible' for LeBron to surpass MJ

Dwyane Wade believes that no matter how many different things Lebron accomplishes in his career, trying to surpass Jordans's legacy is a fool's errand.

"No, it's not possible," Wade told ESPN with a laugh. "It's not possible."

You mean MJ's legacy of being an arrogant asshole?

 

[GNG]

Who thinks LeBron is "better" than MJ and why?

They're both great in my opinion.

 

[CowboyB]

Wade: 'Not possible' for LeBron to surpass MJ

Dwyane Wade believes that no matter how many different things Lebron accomplishes in his career, trying to surpass Jordans's legacy is a fool's errand.

"No, it's not possible," Wade told ESPN with a laugh. "It's not possible."

Wade is correct.

I don't think there is anyway LeBron will be able to get to 6-0 nor erase all of those quitting debacles.

 

[tlance]

Hater of what? A great and talented player that bailed on his own home town? That recruited other great players to make super teams? please man STFU

Both Jordan and Lebron came into a shit hole organization. Lebron got to the Finals before MJ did and he still bailed. Even on his hometown. Meanwhile Jordan takes beatdown after beatdown to earn his stripes and has 6 rings.

What I am hating on exactly?? Someone who will never touch Jordan's legacy?

Funny shit

You hate on all current players, not just LeBron. So again, why do you post here when all you want to do is relive your glory days from the 90s? I was as big a Jordan fan as anybody, but with distance and a little perspective, I believe the 90s was one of the worst eras of NBA basketball.

I don't see anyone here trying to say LeBron is better than Jordan, but you still want to rail against him. For what? He is one of the truly great players in the history of the game. You don't like him, I get it, but you hate on him and fly off the handle calling people names when you don't agree. That is juvenile behavior.

 

[handicappers]

Two different eras, two different players. LeBron is the best player on the planet right now. Jordan was during his playing days.

 

[Shaqdaddy11]

I don't see anyone here trying to say LeBron is better than Jordan

Seriously? Either you're completely ignorant, or you just see what you want to see. Two names that spring to mind are @WiggyRuss and @lebron23james

In fact, ask pretty much any cavs fan...

 

[Shanemansj13]

2007 - Made NBA Finals
2009 - Made Eastern Finals

Yep, they sucked in the playoffs

Lebron was the team, all those Cleveland teams and we witnessed him beating the champion Pistons and taking the champion Celtics with shit players around him. Wins doesn't matter in the regular season bc the teams weren't built for the playoffs, add to the fact the organization had a bad GM and always some pretty bad coaches.

See below. Lebron was the team. They had role players and not the best ones by any means.

 

[Shanemansj13]

You failed to answer the question. I'll post it again as it must be a slow day for you:

You're ruling out the #1 team in the East couldn't have attracted ONE top free agent with a player like lebron there?

You never answered my question and what has been this whole discussion been about...he TRIED recruiting players and nobody would budge. Are you always this slow...you obviously have no idea what you are talking about

 

[Shanemansj13]

So let me get this straight.

1. A player like lebron wasn't good enough to lure top free agents to cleveland
2. A 66 win team and best team in the East wasn't enough to lure top free agents
3. Dan Gilbert wasn't good enough to lure top free agents.

Let me get this straight....you don't watch basketball and don't pay attention in the offseason lol. Gilbert and Lebron tried...they lured free agents but it was guys like Jamison, Mo Williams, and aging Shaq. Decent but never a top free agent.