Trade Rumors

[awaz]

Haha that's funny. On twitter I always tell him that he must really hate the Flyers and really hate his job.

awesome.

on a side note, i'd freakin love his job.

 

[dspice07]

exactly. he'd call homer out for not planning for the future cap-wise or prospect wise, even though he was the one calling to botch both. he's a hack. honestly, carchidi isn't much better. it's a good thing the flyers have meltzer, the rest of their writers are pretty weak.

carchidi, and randy miller are terrible as well. they spent the 2nd and 3rd period talking about bryz's mentality on the bench in toronto. because apparently he was having a conversation with a fan from toronto, god forbid.

dave isaac is ok.

awesome.

on a side note, i'd freakin love his job.

it sucks that you don't have the knowledge now that you wish you had back say in freshmen year of high school. figuring out what you want to do or figure out how to most enjoy your job. because finding a position for the flyers would have been my life path, and not selling tickets like a scammer.

 

[lasgop8]

even before the pending sexual assault charges i dont think cousins was really all that valuable.. he seems valuable in the flyers system because he has very little competition, but from everything i've read, if he turns in to an agitating 3rd line center, he'll be considered a success. so there's not a ton of value there. laughton's ceiling is a little higher because he has a little more offensive upside and hits a little harder, but even he isn't a super high-value prospect i dont think.

thats why i just dont see the point in making a trade. the flyers don't have the bullets to make a trade that will have a big impact, aside from draft picks.. the 1st and 2nd round picks this year are probalby more valuable then cousins or laughton at this point. and do you really want to get rid of those just to be a little more competitive? if the flyers were top 3 in the conference right now, sure you can justify destroying the prospect pool to make a run, but as it stands, i just dont think it's smart

not saying homer wont make a move, but IMO, unless the guy is under 25 with a good upside and still has a few more years on his contract, it would be foolish to make a trade. and the flyers don't have enough value to get that type of player unless they trade couturier, which would be dumb.

I guess you could've wrote this whole first paragraph about Mcginn a year ago.

 

[awaz]

I guess you could've wrote this whole first paragraph about Mcginn a year ago.

very true, but if you tried to trade mcginn a year ago you wouldn't be able to get anything.. thats really my point.. they could turn out to be great players, and i really hope they do, but at this point, the league doesn't see that as likely, so their value is low

 

[jerseyjigroe]

awesome.

on a side note, i'd freakin love his job.

Me too, man!

 

[jerseyjigroe]

exactly. he'd call homer out for not planning for the future cap-wise or prospect wise, even though he was the one calling to botch both. he's a hack. honestly, carchidi isn't much better. it's a good thing the flyers have meltzer, the rest of their writers are pretty weak.

Yup, most of them suck. Carchidi was one of the worst culprits when it came to treating Richards like dog shit.

I really think Panaccio hates the Flyers though. Here is what he wrote after Schenn's goal the other night...

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"dirty,s crappy goal but the Flyers will take it - oly their second shot /Schenn"

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Excuse but how was that goal crappy?!? What an idiot.

 

[awaz]

carchidi, and randy miller are terrible as well. they spent the 2nd and 3rd period talking about bryz's mentality on the bench in toronto. because apparently he was having a conversation with a fan from toronto, god forbid.

dave isaac is ok.



it sucks that you don't have the knowledge now that you wish you had back say in freshmen year of high school. figuring out what you want to do or figure out how to most enjoy your job. because finding a position for the flyers would have been my life path, and not selling tickets like a scammer.

amen to that man.. amen..

 

[flyersfan4706]

@ToddCordell: According to @RenLavoieRDS the Flyers, Rangers and Leafs are among those interested in Ryan O'Reilly. Lavoie says Avs asked for Couturier.

 

[awaz]

LMAO! ROR is exactly what the flyers don't need.

Talk about your hit generator though, rangers, leafs, and flyers? Nice one mr Cordell. Or lavoie, either one

 

[flyersfan4706]

Couturier for ROR would be quite lateral

 

[awaz]

Couturier for ROR would be quite lateral

i think it'd be a step back to be honest.. couturier has a higher ceiling and he's younger

 

[jerseyjigroe]

i think it'd be a step back to be honest.. couturier has a higher ceiling and he's younger

From what I've seen the Flyers say no way, Cooter is not available.

 

[jerseyjigroe]

HockeyBuzz.com - Bill Meltzer - Meltzer's Musings: Rout on the Island, O'Reilly Rumor

Bill Meltzer on the rumor...

"Ever since Ren Lavoie reported that the Flyers are among the teams interested in acquiring Ryan O'Reilly from Colorado -- with Colorado reportedly demanding Sean Couturier in return -- I have been flooded by requests for comment on whether I think the Flyers should do it.

My answer: No.

I like O'Reilly. He's a solid two-way center who consistently hustles, and is good on faceoffs (52.8 percent last year). He just turned 22, had 55 points last year, logs a lot of ice time in all manpower situations (19:55 per game in his third NHL season) and figures to be a good player in the NHL for a long time to come. O'Reilly plays a disciplined game and while not a physical player, he is not afraid to take a hit to make a play.

So why wouldn't I want to see the Flyers consider swapping Couturier for a slightly older center who brings a lot of his own desirable attributes?

First of all, Couturier's upside is still higher than O'Reilly's. Couturier has had some rough moments in his second pro season, but his upside is still that of a potential future Selke Trophy winner with 25-goal potential -- and he's already demonstrated that rare level of two-way talent in the playoffs last year by containing Evgeni Malkin head-to-head and also having a hat trick game in the same playoff series.

At his current level of NHL stature, I consider O'Reilly to be a somewhat better version of former Flyers forward R.J. Umberger. That, to me at least, is a compliment.

Umberger is a real solid NHL player who has been buried on mostly bad Columbus teams. People forget that he was a 20-goal scorer as an NHL rookie in Philly (in a third-line role), had a tendency to step up in big games (think Montreal playoff series in 2008 and his history of success in his hometown of Pittsburgh), and made himself into a good solid two-way player. Umberger has had four straight seasons of 20-plus goals in Columbus and three season of 50-plus points, topping out at 57 points in 2010-11. He is a real solid NHL player whom any team would like to have. Although he has mostly played wing in recent years, he can also center.

I know what people will say: "Yeah, but isn't O'Reilly's offensive potential considerably higher than that? O'Reilly reached the NHL at a younger age that Umberger, who played collegiate hockey for three years and whose first pro year coincided with the canceled 2004-05 NHL season. So doesn't O'Reilly figure to keep bumping up his point totals?"

Not necessarily. O'Reilly's offensive pedigree is still somewhat dubious in terms of predicting him to be a bonafide top-six caliber offensive forward on a Cup-contending team; unless said team has a Devils-style system.

My rule of thumb when it comes to pre-NHL production is that offensive dominance at lower levels is far from a guarantee of high-level NHL offensive production, but the LACK of true offensive dominance at the lower levels is usually a pretty good indication that the player will not become a year-in-and-year-old offensive force in the NHL.

O'Reilly was never as much as a point-per-game player in the OHL, and never scored 20 goals in junior hockey. He gave little indication in his first two NHL seasons of developing into more than an outstanding third-line player with above-average offensive ability for that role. Even in his "breakout" year last year, O'Reilly's 55-point production was nothing all that special when you consider how much ice time he was logging in offense-friendly as well as defensive situations.

In terms of his future offensive upside, I don't think O'Reilly is ever going to produce much more than he did a year ago. Could he bump up his points in a given year to perhaps 65 points in a career season? Maybe, may not. But I see him as an Umberger level offensive talent, who is a little better playmaker but a slightly lesser finisher. With both guys, I think what you saw in their early years offensively will also be what you get in the prime.

O'Reilly is a good passer but his shot is average to below average. I don't think people realize just how good Couturier's hands actually are when he's got the puck in scoring range. Couturier just needs to be more assertive in getting himself into scoring areas when the chance presents itself. He had a five-game goal scoring streak as a rookie last year, and four of the five were sniper-type goals.

Defensively, O'Reilly can help out any team. He is very responsible with and without the puck and his hockey sense can be statistically supported by his phenomenal takeaway-to-giveaway ratio (101 to 34). At this stage of his career, Couturier is still learning what works and doesn't work in the faceoff circle, while O'Reilly was over 50 percent even on the road a year ago.

At his very best, however, Couturier (who is four inches taller than O'Reilly with comparable and perhaps even superior hockey sense) is a cornerstone two-way player. There will come a time in his NHL career when the offensive lightbulb turns on more than sporadically, and he fine-tunes even his defensive game. When that time comes, Couturier is going to be a player in the tier above O'Reilly.

Think of it as the difference between Jordan Staal and Umberger (if R.J. was still a center). Or let's say that both Couturier and O'Reilly both get MUCH better offensively and hit a grand slam in exceeding their current career offensive projections. Then you can think of it as the difference between Joe Nieuwendyk and (a less physical) Rod Brind'Amour.

Either which way, Couturier ends up as the better player in the comparison. That doesn't mean, though, that O'Reilly would not be a fine addition. It just means that I would not make a one-for-one swap of Couturier for him.

There is another, just as significant reason, why I would not want to see the Flyers deal Couturier for O'Reilly: The Flyers' salary cap situation.

Couturier still has a year to go on his entry-level contract. O'Reilly is an unsigned restricted free agent who is reportedly demanding a deal that could carry a cap hit as high as $5 million. Said cap hit would also start immediately, and would worsen the Flyers' already existing problem of preparing for the cap ceiling to drop next year.

That alone makes the rumored trade discussion a no-go from the Flyers standpoint, unless it becomes a larger deal with salary moving to Colorado and additional assets coming back to Philadelphia."

 

[banditshcky11]

HockeyBuzz.com - Bill Meltzer - Meltzer's Musings: Rout on the Island, O'Reilly Rumor

Bill Meltzer on the rumor...

"Ever since Ren Lavoie reported that the Flyers are among the teams interested in acquiring Ryan O'Reilly from Colorado -- with Colorado reportedly demanding Sean Couturier in return -- I have been flooded by requests for comment on whether I think the Flyers should do it.

My answer: No.

I like O'Reilly. He's a solid two-way center who consistently hustles, and is good on faceoffs (52.8 percent last year). He just turned 22, had 55 points last year, logs a lot of ice time in all manpower situations (19:55 per game in his third NHL season) and figures to be a good player in the NHL for a long time to come. O'Reilly plays a disciplined game and while not a physical player, he is not afraid to take a hit to make a play.

So why wouldn't I want to see the Flyers consider swapping Couturier for a slightly older center who brings a lot of his own desirable attributes?

First of all, Couturier's upside is still higher than O'Reilly's. Couturier has had some rough moments in his second pro season, but his upside is still that of a potential future Selke Trophy winner with 25-goal potential -- and he's already demonstrated that rare level of two-way talent in the playoffs last year by containing Evgeni Malkin head-to-head and also having a hat trick game in the same playoff series.

At his current level of NHL stature, I consider O'Reilly to be a somewhat better version of former Flyers forward R.J. Umberger. That, to me at least, is a compliment.

Umberger is a real solid NHL player who has been buried on mostly bad Columbus teams. People forget that he was a 20-goal scorer as an NHL rookie in Philly (in a third-line role), had a tendency to step up in big games (think Montreal playoff series in 2008 and his history of success in his hometown of Pittsburgh), and made himself into a good solid two-way player. Umberger has had four straight seasons of 20-plus goals in Columbus and three season of 50-plus points, topping out at 57 points in 2010-11. He is a real solid NHL player whom any team would like to have. Although he has mostly played wing in recent years, he can also center.

I know what people will say: "Yeah, but isn't O'Reilly's offensive potential considerably higher than that? O'Reilly reached the NHL at a younger age that Umberger, who played collegiate hockey for three years and whose first pro year coincided with the canceled 2004-05 NHL season. So doesn't O'Reilly figure to keep bumping up his point totals?"

Not necessarily. O'Reilly's offensive pedigree is still somewhat dubious in terms of predicting him to be a bonafide top-six caliber offensive forward on a Cup-contending team; unless said team has a Devils-style system.

My rule of thumb when it comes to pre-NHL production is that offensive dominance at lower levels is far from a guarantee of high-level NHL offensive production, but the LACK of true offensive dominance at the lower levels is usually a pretty good indication that the player will not become a year-in-and-year-old offensive force in the NHL.

O'Reilly was never as much as a point-per-game player in the OHL, and never scored 20 goals in junior hockey. He gave little indication in his first two NHL seasons of developing into more than an outstanding third-line player with above-average offensive ability for that role. Even in his "breakout" year last year, O'Reilly's 55-point production was nothing all that special when you consider how much ice time he was logging in offense-friendly as well as defensive situations.

In terms of his future offensive upside, I don't think O'Reilly is ever going to produce much more than he did a year ago. Could he bump up his points in a given year to perhaps 65 points in a career season? Maybe, may not. But I see him as an Umberger level offensive talent, who is a little better playmaker but a slightly lesser finisher. With both guys, I think what you saw in their early years offensively will also be what you get in the prime.

O'Reilly is a good passer but his shot is average to below average. I don't think people realize just how good Couturier's hands actually are when he's got the puck in scoring range. Couturier just needs to be more assertive in getting himself into scoring areas when the chance presents itself. He had a five-game goal scoring streak as a rookie last year, and four of the five were sniper-type goals.

Defensively, O'Reilly can help out any team. He is very responsible with and without the puck and his hockey sense can be statistically supported by his phenomenal takeaway-to-giveaway ratio (101 to 34). At this stage of his career, Couturier is still learning what works and doesn't work in the faceoff circle, while O'Reilly was over 50 percent even on the road a year ago.

At his very best, however, Couturier (who is four inches taller than O'Reilly with comparable and perhaps even superior hockey sense) is a cornerstone two-way player. There will come a time in his NHL career when the offensive lightbulb turns on more than sporadically, and he fine-tunes even his defensive game. When that time comes, Couturier is going to be a player in the tier above O'Reilly.

Think of it as the difference between Jordan Staal and Umberger (if R.J. was still a center). Or let's say that both Couturier and O'Reilly both get MUCH better offensively and hit a grand slam in exceeding their current career offensive projections. Then you can think of it as the difference between Joe Nieuwendyk and (a less physical) Rod Brind'Amour.

Either which way, Couturier ends up as the better player in the comparison. That doesn't mean, though, that O'Reilly would not be a fine addition. It just means that I would not make a one-for-one swap of Couturier for him.

There is another, just as significant reason, why I would not want to see the Flyers deal Couturier for O'Reilly: The Flyers' salary cap situation.

Couturier still has a year to go on his entry-level contract. O'Reilly is an unsigned restricted free agent who is reportedly demanding a deal that could carry a cap hit as high as $5 million. Said cap hit would also start immediately, and would worsen the Flyers' already existing problem of preparing for the cap ceiling to drop next year.

That alone makes the rumored trade discussion a no-go from the Flyers standpoint, unless it becomes a larger deal with salary moving to Colorado and additional assets coming back to Philadelphia."

Meltzer makes a ton of sense here..... but now I'm wondering if we could get Umberger back for next season to add some more size, speed and work ethic.

 

[jerseyjigroe]

Please, consider the source...

HockeyBuzz.com - Eklund - Rumor Update. Flyers with interest in Dustin Byfuglien (e3)

 

[awaz]

Please, consider the source...

HockeyBuzz.com - Eklund - Rumor Update. Flyers with interest in Dustin Byfuglien (e3)

i'd love to have him on the team, but the flyers just don't have the pieces to make a big acquisition like that.. he's at least a bonafide #2 dman and with his offensive contributions, it would take couturier or schenn and some.. it seems pretty apparent at this stage that couturier and schenn aren't going anywhere, so the flyers don't have the bullets to get him

 

[flyersfan4706]

I'm listening...

 

[jerseyjigroe]

Heard on the radio that Flyers got Gagne back for a 4th rounder. Any one else hear this???

 

[jerseyjigroe]

Seems official. Lots of people on twitter saying it's done.

 

[flyersfan4706]

YES