and even looking at this breakdown…
It most likely is on account of all his BS as an Astro (no ST, not coming to the park unless he’s starting, load management season, being a bitch in general…) but I’ll be voting for Kody Clemens before I vote for Roger.
Agree on Speaker. I don't remember Wagner's offensive numbers being any better than Speaker's.
Agree. But in my opinion, Bonds belongs at the higher slot, so I don’t really see a big inconsistency here.
I am good with all but ARod. This poll should be for baseball players only.
Yes you’ve done that bit for a while now. Ok how do I choose among the other 3-4? I guess for you it’s Henderson?
Yes, Maddux was slightly more dominant in his best years than Young but also had a lower floor in his career than Young. This exercise maybe puts Young closer to Maddux for me but I'd still go Young over Maddux.
I think of it a little differently. I agree a modern Babe Ruth would have had a different life story and training regimen but that’s all hypothetical. What is not hypothetical is how fast the modern players can throw and run and swing a bat and how much better the modern players are at the literal activities of baseball. In my mind I’m voting on who they were not who they could have been in an alternate universe. It’s just one way to do it, other ways are valid too, that’s mine.
You're generally a traits guy and I think ARod would be the pick based on how you vote. If you adjust for ballparks I think Pujols edges him out with the bat and Pujols was solid at 1B but I don't think that would get him above ARod or Speaker, tbh.
At the nomination stage, I don’t really have a huge preference of the other 3.
They are close, and reasonable people can come to different conclusions.
Great points but one of ARod’s traits was cheating. I’m torn how to factor that in for him. Doesn’t bother me at all with Bonds or Clemens, but as cal correctly notes his cheating was far worse and actually illegal. It’s tricky. ARod also has the best numbers of the remaining hitters.
I can't even figure out my own. I got Joe Morgan in there for the moment, but my picks are subject to change. The more I look at Morgan his absolute Prime was absolutely awesome but it really only lasted 5 or 6 seasons compared to some guys who had more elite seasons.
Hornsby was so much better, though, they had to pluralize his name.
My assumption with Cyclone Young is that if he was a modern pitcher he'd have to use his Cyclone way, way, way more. It would almost certainly cut down on his longevity but I can't say that for certain. Pitching has changed so much. They're like race horses now.
I have to look more into Cy Young but it's a little disappointing that he didn't stick around for that 750th complete game.
