t'Official CHL thread

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1:28. boom

That was Flames 2nd round pick Patrick Sieloff lowering the boom

 

[puckhead]

Giants need to fins a fucking goalie.

outshot Everett 12-4 in the first, tied 1-1.
Everett scores on the first two shots of the 2nd.

now through 2, shots are 30-11 for Van, score is 3-2 Everett
and the fucking goalie lets another one in in the first 2 minutes of the 3rd.
4 goals on 13 shots = game over.

three losses to start the season
Liam Liston with a 4.49GAA and .774 sv%. time to find someone else.

 

[oaknightshockey1]

not trying to start any shit with you canucks...i wish i could have grown up in an environment that was so dedicated to hockey. people around here don't get it. but this is an interesting article about the USHL and the CHL. i am just interested to see what you guys think.

http://thepipelineshow.blogspot.com/2011/08/open-letter-from-ushl.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter=

I am a bit biased because my dad works for a USHL team, and i know that they are very successful. for instance, one of the players last year, Kevin Roy (no relation to Patrick) was courted by various CHL teams and decided to take the USHL-NCAA route instead.

 

[puckhead]

US development has taken tremendous strides in the past 10 years or so - and it's made for a terrific rivalry.
Branch has a good point about the age difference between CHL and NCAA, though.

the IIHF tourneys are a very good place to compare similar aged players from each country (U-20 and U-18 tourneys especially), but a club championship could be fun too.
Honestly, i don't think it would be more than an exhibition though. The Memorial Cup is such an unbelievable war (4 rounds of the league playoffs just to get there), by the time that tourney is finished, I think that team would be absolutely done.

I do wonder what Branch could have been referring to though. There is already a US division in the WHL, and there used to be a few US teams in the Q.
There was more chatter about CHL vs NCAA here:
http://www.sportshoopla.com/forums/.../73969-question-about-paying-chl-players.html
and here: http://www.sportshoopla.com/forums/...ational-prospects-rankings-3.html#post2273626

 

[Destroydacre]

It's kind of a neat idea. However I have reservations that the USHL is up to par with the CHL right now. That's not to say that the league doesn't have good players, but top to bottom, night in and night out can USHL teams play 60 minutes with CHL teams? I have my doubts about that. There's also the issue of the NCAA. They label the USHL amateurs, while they label the CHL professionals. It's so ridiculous that if you play even just one exhibition game in the CHL you are ineligible to play NCAA hockey. Their reasoning being you're playing against pros. I would love for there to be a day when the USHL is on par with the CHL and they can eliminate the host team out of the Memorial Cup and have it be a 4 team round robin tournament between 4 league champions. But would the NCAA get the stick out of their butt and allow it? Would they give the USHL team playing in the Memorial Cup a waiver? And if they do why don't they do it for the CHL teams? Things would get awfully muddled really quick. I know the idea that the CHL players are professionals is ridiculous, but that's what the NCAA continues to go with to try and scare kids out of even trying the CHL. We'll see where this goes, I don't expect anything to come out of it for at least the next decade (if anything ever comes out of it), but it's an interesting idea to talk about.

 

[oaknightshockey1]

It's kind of a neat idea. However I have reservations that the USHL is up to par with the CHL right now. That's not to say that the league doesn't have good players, but top to bottom, night in and night out can USHL teams play 60 minutes with CHL teams? I have my doubts about that. There's also the issue of the NCAA. They label the USHL amateurs, while they label the CHL professionals. It's so ridiculous that if you play even just one exhibition game in the CHL you are ineligible to play NCAA hockey. Their reasoning being you're playing against pros. I would love for there to be a day when the USHL is on par with the CHL and they can eliminate the host team out of the Memorial Cup and have it be a 4 team round robin tournament between 4 league champions. But would the NCAA get the stick out of their butt and allow it? Would they give the USHL team playing in the Memorial Cup a waiver? And if they do why don't they do it for the CHL teams? Things would get awfully muddled really quick. I know the idea that the CHL players are professionals is ridiculous, but that's what the NCAA continues to go with to try and scare kids out of even trying the CHL. We'll see where this goes, I don't expect anything to come out of it for at least the next decade (if anything ever comes out of it), but it's an interesting idea to talk about.

I know that some USHL teams have played exhibition games (Indiana and Omaha in 07) against the Q...omaha won too. i just don't think the "playing against pros" thing is a problem if its just exhibition.

 

[juliansteed]

It's kind of a neat idea. However I have reservations that the USHL is up to par with the CHL right now. That's not to say that the league doesn't have good players, but top to bottom, night in and night out can USHL teams play 60 minutes with CHL teams? I have my doubts about that. There's also the issue of the NCAA. They label the USHL amateurs, while they label the CHL professionals. It's so ridiculous that if you play even just one exhibition game in the CHL you are ineligible to play NCAA hockey. Their reasoning being you're playing against pros. I would love for there to be a day when the USHL is on par with the CHL and they can eliminate the host team out of the Memorial Cup and have it be a 4 team round robin tournament between 4 league champions. But would the NCAA get the stick out of their butt and allow it? Would they give the USHL team playing in the Memorial Cup a waiver? And if they do why don't they do it for the CHL teams? Things would get awfully muddled really quick. I know the idea that the CHL players are professionals is ridiculous, but that's what the NCAA continues to go with to try and scare kids out of even trying the CHL. We'll see where this goes, I don't expect anything to come out of it for at least the next decade (if anything ever comes out of it), but it's an interesting idea to talk about.

Actually you don't even need to play an exhibition game to become ineligible. If you spend more than a certain amount of time at a CHL training camp (I think it's 2 days) then you loose your NCAA eligibility.

 

[puckhead]

Actually you don't even need to play an exhibition game to become ineligible. If you spend more than a certain amount of time at a CHL training camp (I think it's 2 days) then you loose your NCAA eligibility.

you also can't have your expenses covered if you go to a pro training camp.
seems a bit hard-assed to make college kids pay their own way when every other invitee is covered. Not paid, just not out of pocket.

 

[oaknightshockey1]

this is what i don't understand. i know for a fact that USHL teams have played exhibition games and tournaments against CHL teams, and players from those teams are planning/have gone on to college. so what is the rule? i would love these teams to play it out. i think the USHL would hold it's own, but we won't know until they play.

 

[puckhead]

this is what i don't understand. i know for a fact that USHL teams have played exhibition games and tournaments against CHL teams, and players from those teams are planning/have gone on to college. so what is the rule? i would love these teams to play it out. i think the USHL would hold it's own, but we won't know until they play.

really? unless they are a particularly sacked team, i think they would get killed against any of the top tier CHL teams.
purely a gut feel mind you, as I haven't seen much USHL hockey at all. Very little NCAA, either.

 

[oaknightshockey1]

really? unless they are a particularly sacked team, i think they would get killed against any of the top tier CHL teams.
purely a gut feel mind you, as I haven't seen much USHL hockey at all. Very little NCAA, either.

i know that Omaha (who is high in the USHL rankings) beat Rimouski when they played. that was a while ago though.

 

[oaknightshockey1]

that being said, i think it would be fun to see if they could hang with the CHL

 

[juliansteed]

this is what i don't understand. i know for a fact that USHL teams have played exhibition games and tournaments against CHL teams, and players from those teams are planning/have gone on to college. so what is the rule? i would love these teams to play it out. i think the USHL would hold it's own, but we won't know until they play.

I don't think it matters too much who they play against. It's who they play for that matters.

Also don't most USHL players play NCAA once they finish high school? That would leave the USHL teams at a massive disadvantage over the CHL teams who have players as old as 20.

 

[oaknightshockey1]

I don't think it matters too much who they play against. It's who they play for that matters.

Also don't most USHL players play NCAA once they finish high school? That would leave the USHL teams at a massive disadvantage over the CHL teams who have players as old as 20.

USHL teams can have a certain number of 20 year olds on the roster. most don't go to college until they are 19-20. many choose to take a year off from school to play another year in the USHL.

 

[puckhead]

i know that Omaha (who is high in the USHL rankings) beat Rimouski when they played. that was a while ago though.

the last time a CFL team played an NFL team, the Hamilton Tigercats beat the Buffalo Bills

that being said, i think it would be fun to see if they could hang with the CHL

I agree it would be fun.
Note that for the World U-17 Hockey Challenge there are 10 teams in the tourney,
CZE, RUS, USA, SWE, GER, and five teams from Canada.

I think that's the biggest difference, is the depth of talent that Canada produces.
so while a best vs best like the IIHF World Juniors, USA competes pretty well, but I think if you take club teams on average, the competition in Canada would be better. again largely a hunch.

 

[oaknightshockey1]

I agree it would be fun.
Note that for the World U-17 Hockey Challenge there are 10 teams in the tourney,
CZE, RUS, USA, SWE, GER, and five teams from Canada.

I think that's the biggest difference, is the depth of talent that Canada produces.
so while a best vs best like the IIHF World Juniors, USA competes pretty well, but I think if you take club teams on average, the competition in Canada would be better. again largely a hunch.

also note that the US won the world juniors not that long ago

i think we both agree, though, that they should play.

 

[Destroydacre]

Spokane wins their home opener 5-3 over Tri-City and goes to 2-0 to start the season. Brenden Kichton was named captain of the team tonight and he had an assist which tied him with Bryan McCabe for most career points by a defenseman in Chiefs history at 184.

 

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Tigers are off to a solid 3-1 start (have won three in a row after losing the opener). Hunter Shinkaruk with a 4 point night tonight (1G, 3A) in a 5-1 win over the Vagina Patsies.

 

[puckhead]

Spokane wins their home opener 5-3 over Tri-City and goes to 2-0 to start the season. Brenden Kichton was named captain of the team tonight and he had an assist which tied him with Bryan McCabe for most career points by a defenseman in Chiefs history at 184.

Pretty damned impressive with an entire season to go.

 

[Destroydacre]

Spokane loses to Vancouver 3-2 to cap a shitty sports day. Managed all of 15 shots on goal.