Time for a change

[58crash]

I have seen the Broncos play 3 games this season at the most...I see the deteriorating skills...you guys see every game and appear unified that Oz is the best QB for team moving forward...I still don't know if that truly is the best, but I'm raising the white flag on this one...hopefully Oz does well.

I am not really ready to give up on Manning but I am going to be happy not watching Manning trying to run Kubiak/what that mess I was watching of a O ...

If they put Manning in again It had better be the O we was running our SB year .

 

[Broncosr0k]

If they put Manning in again It had better be the O we was running our SB year .

Then you won't see Manning again. We will not be running the 2013 offense because our coaching staff is not the 2013 staff.

 

[cdumler7]

Then you won't see Manning again. We will not be running the 2013 offense because our coaching staff is not the 2013 staff.

This right here. Almost that entire Offensive staff is completely gone. You can't just go pull that playbook back out and hand it to the players and say you have 6 days to learn this and be ready. We are talking for many of these guys learning a completely new language essentially with that kind of idea. 58Crash I'm sorry man but you just have to realize that 2013 has come and gone. The players around Manning are different and Manning himself is different. 2013 was a magical season but Manning even if he had every player and coach back I don't think he could come close to executing like he did. He doesn't have the deep ball to keep a defense honest. When a team can have all 11 defenders within 15 yards of the LOS that 2013 offense doesn't work. What made it so dangerous is teams would try to line up one-on-one with Decker and Manning would hit that pass. Or he would hit Julius Thomas running down the middle 20-25 yards. It forced teams to keep a safety or two back in fear of the deep ball. Teams had to defend every inch of the field with that offense. Right now they just have to defend everything 15 yards and in.

So that leaves us with what we have and right now I would say Osweiler is the better choice to run the style of offense that fits the players we have and the ability of Osweiler to make a little something more out of nothing with his scrambling ability and his cannon arm to fit some balls into places Manning just can't.

 

[Broncosr0k]

This right here. Almost that entire Offensive staff is completely gone. You can't just go pull that playbook back out and hand it to the players and say you have 6 days to learn this and be ready. We are talking for many of these guys learning a completely new language essentially with that kind of idea. 58Crash I'm sorry man but you just have to realize that 2013 has come and gone. The players around Manning are different and Manning himself is different. 2013 was a magical season but Manning even if he had every player and coach back I don't think he could come close to executing like he did. He doesn't have the deep ball to keep a defense honest. When a team can have all 11 defenders within 15 yards of the LOS that 2013 offense doesn't work. What made it so dangerous is teams would try to line up one-on-one with Decker and Manning would hit that pass. Or he would hit Julius Thomas running down the middle 20-25 yards. It forced teams to keep a safety or two back in fear of the deep ball. Teams had to defend every inch of the field with that offense. Right now they just have to defend everything 15 yards and in.

Not to mention the coordination of the pick plays. Decker, J Thomas, D Thomas were all players that could take a hit and were not easy to bring down in a 1 on 1 situation. Welker provided that small, shifty threat on short routes. He could get space and turn that into some good yardage. We don't have those guys who are coordinated enough to lay a pick or big enough to take that hit. You would be wasting Sanders in that offense. We don't have a TE that could replace what J Thomas gave us in the passing game.

 

[cdumler7]

Maybe the best article I have read this week of why the switch to Osweiler makes sense and why it could actually be what saves our season.

Playoffs? Super Bowl? With Brock? Why not?

This writer points to the fact that of the past 14 Super Bowls that have been played in this century 9 of those have been won by either a game managing QB, back up QB, Journeyman QB, Rookie QB, or a QB that has yet to really make a mark at that point on the league.

Now yes this list does include QB's like Warner and Brady for some of the equation. They count the 1st 2 Super Bowls for Brady because he was playing more the game manager role than HOF breaking the records role for the Patriots. They relied a lot more on their run game and strong defense than on Brady. IT also includes Roethlisberger his rookie season but they were winning games with him only throwing 6 times in a game. Not exactly him going out and lighting the league on fire at that point.

I have pointed this out a lot this week already but 20 of the 29 points the Chiefs scored against us this past week came off of turnovers. The other 9 came off of 3 3 and outs. With the defense we have it really will not take Osweiler having to go out and be Manning of 2013 for us to win. He could score in that 20-24 point range in most games and if we are not turning the ball over that should be good enough for us to win almost every game.

 

[randymon]

Finally! Maybe that will sink in with Crash and he can move on.. I think Brock and this offense will be much more productive without Manning. Prob be some issues with nerves,etc vs Bears but I expect to see better consistency going forward. Denver can make this work if they let him be himself and go back to a more balanced approach but not so friggin predictable. I don't see any prob with Denver winning 3 more games under Brock and winning div. By then hopefully that offense has gained some continuity and confidence heading into PO. It's not that unfathomable to believe this offense can't contribute and score enough points to help this D win. I have faith as long as Kubiak doesn't give in to Peyton unless Oz is totally sucking. If he is playing decent that would be big improvement over terrible with Peyton IMO. Best chance for Denver is Brock/ Kubiak system/eliminate TO's and keep playing solid D and ST's. I think we're all going to be genuinely optimistic going forward.

 

[Malibu]

I meant more for this season of the Manning coming back thought process. With injury it allows the Broncos say in a few weeks if Osweiler just plays terribly to reinsert Manning without losing the Locker room. IF this wasn't because of injury then the coaches would lose the team completely going back and forth between the two. I agree though that Manning is gone after this year. He just doesn't have another season left in him.

He doesn't have another game in him. This has gone on since the second half of the season last year through this year. It's time to see what Brock has and Manning should not see the field anymore this season. The numbers don't lie and injuries are no excuse. I for one have had enough of Manning because every season with Manning has ended the same and that's with no Super Bowl victory. I get it that it's a team sport but what makes anyone think that Manning can lead this team to a Super Bowl victory? Hell can he even take this team to New England and keep it close in the playoffs? Elway should have noticed he was done and should have told him that's enough at the end of last year. Elway is at fault as well with this situation with no o line and a old washed QB that leads the league in interceptions this year. I'm not going to sugar coat anything. It's the truth. Time to see if Brock can be the guy. If not time for a new QB next year.

 

[Malibu]

Finally! Maybe that will sink in with Crash and he can move on.. I think Brock and this offense will be much more productive without Manning. Prob be some issues with nerves,etc vs Bears but I expect to see better consistency going forward. Denver can make this work if they let him be himself and go back to a more balanced approach but not so friggin predictable. I don't see any prob with Denver winning 3 more games under Brock and winning div. By then hopefully that offense has gained some continuity and confidence heading into PO. It's not that unfathomable to believe this offense can't contribute and score enough points to help this D win. I have faith as long as Kubiak doesn't give in to Peyton unless Oz is totally sucking. If he is playing decent that would be big improvement over terrible with Peyton IMO. Best chance for Denver is Brock/ Kubiak system/eliminate TO's and keep playing solid D and ST's. I think we're all going to be genuinely optimistic going forward.

Dead on and Brock can't be any worse. If that's the case then the Broncos better be focusing on a new QB next year.

 

[Manimal Sighting]

I also have a feeling that with brock in there we will see less loaded boxes and in turn a better running game/ play action. kinda like the packers game...lots of bootlegs and such

 

[SpiritOf77]

I haven't watched a replay of this INT, but was Manning reading #50 and throwing to Daniels, not recognizing #90, or was he throwing to DT, who was coming across the field behind Daniels ?

 

[SpiritOf77]

ok, here are the 4 picks

The first one is about as ugly as it gets, as DT and Hillman were standing there underneath, and Manning had a clear view of everything, and was not under pressure ( .. unless it was the pressure of obtaining a record )

On the 3rd pick, I'm still not convinced that he was throwing to Daniels

It seemed as if the only way Manning though he was going to get positive yards on a given drive was from tossing the ball up for a pass interference call

Whatever the case, one thing I noticed was that receivers were starting to give up in pursuit after the INTs ...

Peyton Manning throws four interceptions against Kansas City Chiefs on record-breaking day - NFL Videos

 

[SpiritOf77]

One other note:

Lost in all the Manning stuff with records and injuries, etc is the inspiring and miraculous return of Eric Berry

Before there is a rivalry, there is a human being out there who has conquered a pretty big mountain

Props to Mr Berry

 

[cdumler7]

I haven't watched a replay of this INT, but was Manning reading #50 and throwing to Daniels, not recognizing #90, or was he throwing to DT, who was coming across the field behind Daniels ?

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This was going to DT. I don't think he saw #90 drop back into zone coverage. This is exactly what teams have done all year. Because Manning can't throw beyond 15 yards with any consistency they have loaded that area with players and had guys drop back into those shallow zones knowing that is where Manning wants to go with the ball. This has also allowed teams to be able to disguise blitzes much easier as guys are not having to run clear back 20 yards down the field trying to cover somebody. Then you throw the fact that this makes running the football that much tougher. I know I have seen elsehwere that teams have not been loading the box against the Broncos. That is not the problem. THe problem is when safeties instead of being 20 yards back are 10 yards back it makes it much easier for them to come crashing down to stop the run.