THE PAC12 Thread

[4down20]

Dude I got your back on your point here man but tf12 is playing around while making his point.

Don't take it so serious brother!

tf12 is a cool dude..... for a Trojan fan!

No worries, I get along with tf12 and is one of the few Trojan posters I like here.

 

[trojanfan12]

So responding to what needs to occur if Stanford did not fake injuries is ON topic

I don't see the problem with 4d20s's take?

Tell me am I missing something here because this discussion feels like were running in circles....

Nothing wrong with his take. As I said, I actually agree with him that injured players need time to get off the field. If they can't get off the field fast enough because he's facing an hunh offense, then he needs to "sit down".

However, 4d20 came in talking about it not being fair and injured defensive players not being given time to get off the field which wasn't the topic. No one has suggested that injured players shouldn't have time to get off the field.

You are right, however, the topic is going in circles, so time to move on.

What do you think of your game vs. Cal this Saturday? They always seem to play you guys tough.

 

[trojanfan12]

Maybe only drop it down if they skip the huddle? I dunno. I just don't like it when teams go to the line and just sit there while getting a play from the sideline, then change formations and all that. It's like they are using a huddle, but instead they go to the line to prevent the defense from subbing.

If a team really wants to go fast, like a 2 minute drill for example, they should be able to.

I've seen very little of what you describe. The point of the hunh is to run the offense at a fast pace to wear down the defense.

As Mamba has pointed out, the last 2 seasons vs. Oregon, USC had no problem getting players substituted. We won in 2011, but lost last year because even though we got our subs in quickly, we flat out sucked on defense. You just have to make sure the replacements are ready and that the change happens quickly. But it's really not as difficult to do as some folks are suggesting, if your team is prepared.

 

[mcnabb7542]

The only treatments those two required since the game is gynecological.

Again. Both of them high step back onto the field after sitting out 1 to 2 plays with absolutely no limp or problem and finish the game making plays. It's a miracle!!!

Questionable? You seriously buying that truck load of B.S.?

The bottomline of it is the Dawgs lost, its game over and time to move on. I think Sark could've handled the questions a little better, or better yet his responses could have been more "PC". There's does and don'ts in coaching, you install a up tempo offense you know as a coach teams are gonna try and slow it down, this debate will rage on in all for the simple fact up tempo offenses aren't going any where, and lets face it would take an act of god for the NCAA to try and make a rule for this act...

Sark could have very easily downplayed with the media and respond with a simple, " what do you think?" back to the reporter asking about faked injuries, behind closed doors he can say to his players, "were gonna ram the ball down there throats next time we play them."

 

[JahiiCarson_SqodGeneral]

Ucla is overrated yay or nay.

 

[WhiteMamba]

Ucla is overrated yay or nay.

I have a hard time using those terms.

I will say they handled business @ Utah. But I thought they were better than they showed that game.

They left much to be desired IMO.

 

[JahiiCarson_SqodGeneral]

I have a hard time using those terms.

I will say they handled business @ Utah. But I thought they were better than they showed that game.

They left much to be desired IMO.

Hundley will be a turnover machine in conference games 2 ints vs New Mexico State?

 

[asu_08]

Ucla is overrated yay or nay.

Still too early to tell. We'll know more when they play Oregon and Stanford.

 

[trojanfan12]

Ucla is overrated yay or nay.

I'm going with nay. I think Mora has them on the right track. I think Nick Pasquale's death still has the team a little unsettled and emotional, but they are still winning games. I heard an interview with Mora yesterday and he said that they are still dealing with it. Apparently he was a very popular guy with his teammates.

 

[Vitamike]

Nothing wrong with his take. As I said, I actually agree with him that injured players need time to get off the field. If they can't get off the field fast enough because he's facing an hunh offense, then he needs to "sit down".

However, 4d20 came in talking about it not being fair and injured defensive players not being given time to get off the field which wasn't the topic. No one has suggested that injured players shouldn't have time to get off the field.

You are right, however, the topic is going in circles, so time to move on.

What do you think of your game vs. Cal this Saturday? They always seem to play you guys tough.

I knew you'd bring that up!

I don't think we cover, but we should win by 7 or more.

Hows about you?

 

[Vitamike]

I've seen very little of what you describe. The point of the hunh is to run the offense at a fast pace to wear down the defense.

As Mamba has pointed out, the last 2 seasons vs. Oregon, USC had no problem getting players substituted. We won in 2011, but lost last year because even though we got our subs in quickly, we flat out sucked on defense. You just have to make sure the replacements are ready and that the change happens quickly. But it's really not as difficult to do as some folks are suggesting, if your team is prepared.

I see it both in the Pros and College. It sucks too because it's not in the spirit of the rule, which is the same as breaking the rule. I see 4d20's point here but I don't think any rule is going to correct it. Just leave it be, it'll work itself out.

Hey I thought we were moving on?

 

[BeaverShaver]

Maybe they were faking "menstrual cramps"?

My solution for this is simple....if a player is down and the clock is stopped, then the player must leave the game for 4 plays or one change of possession (TD, turnover, whatever) whichever happens first. Or the team can use a timeout and put the player in after the timeout.

What do you think? I think this holds true to the game and would eliminate the faking and also stop crowds from booing injuries, which I find shitty myself. I have found myself doing it and I hate that I would actually boo someone who is actually hurt.

 

[4down20]

Maybe they were faking "menstrual cramps"?

My solution for this is simple....if a player is down and the clock is stopped, then the player must leave the game for 4 plays or one change of possession (TD, turnover, whatever) whichever happens first. Or the team can use a timeout and put the player in after the timeout.

What do you think? I think this holds true to the game and would eliminate the faking and also stop crowds from booing injuries, which I find shitty myself. I have found myself doing it and I hate that I would actually boo someone who is actually hurt.

Wouldn't have the desire effect. If a team is faking injuries, it would still be worth taking their worst player off the field for 4 plays. Especially among teams that have a lot of depth and swap players around anyway.

 

[JahiiCarson_SqodGeneral]

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[BeaverShaver]

Wouldn't have the desire effect. If a team is faking injuries, it would still be worth taking their worst player off the field for 4 plays. Especially among teams that have a lot of depth and swap players around anyway.

I COMPLETELY disagree. You mean to tell me if Shane Skov was off the field for 4 plays it wouldn't matter? In crunch time, against a top tier team? Missing one play is not the same as missing four. Look at up-tempo teams and they usually score in 6-8 plays. The thing is, if a team did it twice or three times on a drive, they could be faced with losing 2-3 of their top players.

 

[Vitamike]

Ucla is overrated yay or nay.

Will they end the season No. 11?

If that's the question I'm not sure, they have a hell of a schedule and so far they earned the No. 11 spot. With that, I say nay on the overrated thing. You?

If they take care of business and win this week, we will know a lot more about the Bruins come the following week. A win in Palo Alto, after a win this week, would be epic for them and sets up the real deal in Autzen, doesn't it?

I think it's interesting, the last time we played the trees in Palo Alto we only lost by 3 pts. That's not an ass kicking by any stretch of the imagination.

I guess what I'm trying to say here Jahii, we are still waiting on the Bruins, they have the team and the potential to do big things this year but they need to play well for the entire game for that to happen and that's the one thing I haven't seen from them this year.

 

[4down20]

I COMPLETELY disagree. You mean to tell me if Shane Skov was off the field for 4 plays it wouldn't matter? In crunch time, against a top tier team? Missing one play is not the same as missing four. Look at up-tempo teams and they usually score in 6-8 plays. The thing is, if a team did it twice or three times on a drive, they could be faced with losing 2-3 of their top players.

Obviously 4 > 1 if your goal is to simply punish rather than prevent.

 

[Ironbreaker]

They need to just start charging a team a timeout if an injured player doesnt miss the full series. If they don't have any timeouts they get an unsportsmanlike penalty.

Fake injuries will vanish.

 

[BeaverShaver]

They need to just start charging a team a timeout if an injured player doesnt miss the full series. If they don't have any timeouts they get an unsportsmanlike penalty.

Fake injuries will vanish.

 

[Vitamike]

I COMPLETELY disagree. You mean to tell me if Shane Skov was off the field for 4 plays it wouldn't matter? In crunch time, against a top tier team? Missing one play is not the same as missing four. Look at up-tempo teams and they usually score in 6-8 plays. The thing is, if a team did it twice or three times on a drive, they could be faced with losing 2-3 of their top players.

This plays into 4d20's point of players playing hurt too, that can't be good.

It's ironic that we are only looking at whether the defense is faking or not when we actually know when the offense is faking the hunh, right? Man I've seen them hurry up and use most of the play clock, that's faking it too and is not in the spirit of the no huddle rules for substitutions.

I just don't see a way to correct it.