The PAC12 THREAD v.2

[Bandwagonbo2]

Oh, I responded, numerous times, and you're sure the one to talk about twist. Those SEC "rules" are precisely the problem, and Alabama is doing the absolute MINIMUM.

Again, answer the question. Is it correct that Bama plays an FCS team EVERY year? (hell, last year two unless you want to split hairs about G. State) Is it correct that the SEC IC scheduleis whereis a set 7 game with only one round robin match against the other division? Is it correct that Alabama and most of the SEC schools play 3/4 of their non-conference games at home most years?

Those "neutral" site games would not be such a big deal, if they weren't so obviously a way to avoid going on the road for true road games. If Alabama went to some major school stadium on the road and then had a friendly set up in Atlanta, no one would complain, but for Alabama it is simply fulfilling that minimum rule, by playing someone they know they can beat in a supportive locale, one that Saban wants his players to know, since the SEC Champ game is held there. As the Church Lady would say,

guess you didnt read my post or you would have the answer to many of your questions. Many teams including your own do the minimum they have to most years and very rarely venture beyond...including yours especially. Frankly if my team was an FBS level team asking for a payday to play another fbs level team on its home field, I would be ashamed. Now tell me again how the Jerrydome is where they play the SEC championship because thats where 2 of 4 of the neutral games Alabama has played have been. Do you just enjoy being wrong or can you just not help it? The other posts explin the rest of what you wanted to know I highly suggest reading them, its good reading.

 

[socaljim242]

And again you still dont get it and dont read other posts in this thread apparently, only the ones speaking directly to you.

The neutral site games are the only ones i have spoken about since my first post in here. I am not a fan of the other three games we play but can atleast justify the two FBS level lower tier games we play. I do not condone and have voiced my opinion to the University about the FCS game. My response back was what i expected it to be. The Neutral site games are money makers and thats all I have spoken about, but you keep rambling on about the other OOC as if thats what i am referring to and why you keep failing to grasp anything at all.

Reread my comments to Smiles that he didnt respond to because he had no way to twist his way out of it, you will see what the SEC is required to do under its current scheduling rules and Bama fulfills that obligation every year. Add in that The University of Alabama coach is the only one in the SEC that has consistently voted yes to a nine game in conference schedule and you might just see that you are placing your hate and disdain in the wrong area. Oh, i get it, be pissed at the biggest name on the block, the one bully you cant hope to beat. I do get that, but lets lay it all on the line here. The University of Alabama AD and coach(sometimes) make the schedule, not the fans and until the SEC hierarchy get inline on the nine game, Saban cannot make them do it. So get the fuck off Saban and Alabama when its 13 other teams that should be getting your attention as well, not just one that you seem to be wholely concerned with.

And lastly I will ask you this. How many teams from the PAC or the B1G or Big 12 or the ACC are playing two of the marquee Big 5 conference teams OOC per year...every year? is it a big number like the population of Rhode Island, or a small number like say the number of BCS titles won by the PAC in its existence, or could it be in between some place but closer to the bottom than top number I suggested. I will let you look a that up for us.

So Alabama plays three road OCC games in ten yeas and you questions other schools scheduling of OCC games? lol . How about play a decent amount before you question other teams OCC road games.
Give me a break with your excuses on why Alabama plays Chattanooga in late November and weasels away from OCC road ga,es.

 

[socaljim242]

guess you didnt read my post or you would have the answer to many of your questions. Many teams including your own do the minimum they have to most years and very rarely venture beyond...including yours especially. Frankly if my team was an FBS level team asking for a payday to play another fbs level team on its home field, I would be ashamed. Now tell me again how the Jerrydome is where they play the SEC championship because thats where 2 of 4 of the neutral games Alabama has played have been. Do you just enjoy being wrong or can you just not help it? The other posts explin the rest of what you wanted to know I highly suggest reading them, its good reading.

He's obviously talking about Atlanta when two of your four "neutral "cough cough games were held. Congrats you couldn't even do a neutral game without stacking the deck.

 

[SUBuddha]

So it is OT here, but Stanford just wrapped up its' 38th straight year with at least 1 team NCAA championship. Yes it was women's Water Polo, but, 38 years in a row? Damn! Go Card!

 

[WhiteMamba]

So it is OT here, but Stanford just wrapped up its' 38th straight year with at least 1 team NCAA championship. Yes it was women's Water Polo, but, 38 years in a row? Damn! Go Card!

That is pretty darned impressive. Congrats.

 

[WhiteMamba]

2015 Draft is projected to be loaded with PAC12 players

Story 2015 NFL Mock Draft

 

[Olyduck]

So it is OT here, but Stanford just wrapped up its' 38th straight year with at least 1 team NCAA championship. Yes it was women's Water Polo, but, 38 years in a row? Damn! Go Card!

 

[Olyduck]

oregon is only at like 8.
but 5 in a row in womens indoor track.

 

[trojanfight]

who does that?

on paper alabama didn't TECHNICALLY play 2 fcs teams...but digging into the details..they played georgia st. 1st year fbs team....who low and behold had 3 losses to other fcs teams while not winning a game all year. they even lost big to alabama's fcs team on schedule chattanooga 42-14. so on paper no but they played 2 horribly bad low level teams..

mind you this is a team in alabama that was a poor coaching decision (fg return for td) from playing in sec championship game and likely for national title. and thats the biggest reason for this speaking out about only 8 conference games...no team should get to play georgia st, and chattanooga and have a shot at a championship...i get it other teams play fcs teams...but not many get 2 of them whether you want to admit that what it is or not

 

[RegentDenali]

A year ago I would have agreed with you on that comment and well given a draft rank of

But I believe in Chipper, granted I was about to pull my hair out when he took two wide outs before addressing the secondary, but they got a good haul, (even with the Ducks he drafted sucks to say that)

Chips made a deal with the devil for sure. The guy keeps falling ass backwards into cupcake situations that make him look like a genius.

He becomes HC at Oregon right when the rest of the PAC is stinking up the joint at a historical level and USC is about to get slammed.

Then after getting caught buying players and running a longest yard roster, he becomes the coach of the Eagles when the rest of their div is a 5 alarm dumpster fire.

Sigh.....

 

[4down20]

on paper alabama didn't TECHNICALLY play 2 fcs teams...but digging into the details..they played georgia st. 1st year fbs team....who low and behold had 3 losses to other fcs teams while not winning a game all year. they even lost big to alabama's fcs team on schedule chattanooga 42-14. so on paper no but they played 2 horribly bad low level teams..

mind you this is a team in alabama that was a poor coaching decision (fg return for td) from playing in sec championship game and likely for national title. and thats the biggest reason for this speaking out about only 8 conference games...no team should get to play georgia st, and chattanooga and have a shot at a championship...i get it other teams play fcs teams...but not many get 2 of them whether you want to admit that what it is or not

I am the first to admit that our schedule last year was weaker than normal. But why is Alabama such a big deal here, while FSU had a schedule that was way more weak than Alabama? And "technically" 2 FCS in a single year is not a trend.

But the reason you are citing is not the reason anyone is speaking out. It boils down to the extra game gives them a greater chance to be defeated and you feel that is an advantage. Which is really to say "We want you to defeat yourselves so maybe we won't have to play you in the national championship" Beyond that, they care because it's easier to get teams bowl eligible, which doesn't really affect the national championship, but helps the conference overall.

 

[Olyduck]

Chips made a deal with the devil for sure. The guy keeps falling ass backwards into cupcake situations that make him look like a genius.

He becomes HC at Oregon right when the rest of the PAC is stinking up the joint at a historical level and USC is about to get slammed.

Then after getting caught buying players and running a longest yard roster, he becomes the coach of the Eagles when the rest of their div is a 5 alarm dumpster fire.

Sigh.....

If it didnt matter Bellotti could have done just as well in those years and I just dont see it happening that way.

 

[seahawksfan234]

The LOB is great and all but Arizona is right there with them now, Bucannon is twice the play Chancellor was coming out of college. Peterson is right there with Sherman, they don't have an Earl but they got a better Kam now in Deone.

Arizona has a good secondary, but I disagree that the Cardinals are even remotely close to the Seahawks secondary.

Patrick Peterson is a top 5 CB, but I feel as if people let his athleticism and versatility trick them into thinking Peterson is a better CB than he really is. Richard Sherman is the clear cut #1 CB in the NFL right now, his coverage skills are as good as (if not better) than any CB in the NFL and Sherman manages to create turnovers at a higher rate than any other CB in the NFL.

Antonio Cromartie could be a good pickup for the Cardinals, but he played like utter shit for the Jets in 2013. If the Cardinals get the 2012 version of Cromarte then it is a good deal, if not then it's not much of an upgrade at #2. Byron Maxwell is the clearly superior player going into 2014.

I think that Deone Bucannon has a very bright future ahead of him, but to say that he will be a better version of Kam Chancellor is not accurate. The only SS I'd take in the NFL over Kam Chancellor is Eric Berry. Even if that's a biased opinion, I don't think many would argue that Chancellor is not a top 5 safety in the NFL. I like Bucannon, but to say that he will immediately be a top 5 SS in the NFL is extremely premature.

The Cardinals appear to have a strong secondary going into 2014, but the Seahawks secondary is easily the best in the NFL and there is no comparison.

 

[The Crimson King]

on paper alabama didn't TECHNICALLY play 2 fcs teams...but digging into the details..they played georgia st. 1st year fbs team....who low and behold had 3 losses to other fcs teams while not winning a game all year. they even lost big to alabama's fcs team on schedule chattanooga 42-14. so on paper no but they played 2 horribly bad low level teams..

mind you this is a team in alabama that was a poor coaching decision (fg return for td) from playing in sec championship game and likely for national title. and thats the biggest reason for this speaking out about only 8 conference games...no team should get to play georgia st, and chattanooga and have a shot at a championship...i get it other teams play fcs teams...but not many get 2 of them whether you want to admit that what it is or not

so you think we should create yet another division of college football?

 

[Bandwagonbo2]

So Alabama plays three road OCC games in ten yeas and you questions other schools scheduling of OCC games? lol . How about play a decent amount before you question other teams OCC road games.
Give me a break with your excuses on why Alabama plays Chattanooga in late November and weasels away from OCC road ga,es.

Please show me where I am questioning any team playing an OOC game. In fact until you brought up the ooc games and confused, twisted and blatantly got wrong my words about the neutral games, I had not said one thing about any games but the neutral site games. And those are always played against a big 5 conference opponent. You obviouly have no reading comprehension at all.

 

[socaljim242]

Please show me where I am questioning any team playing an OOC game. In fact until you brought up the ooc games and confused, twisted and blatantly got wrong my words about the neutral games, I had not said one thing about any games but the neutral site games. And those are always played against a big 5 conference opponent. You obviouly have no reading comprehension at all.

I don't have a reading comprehension problem . I point out the cowardly way Alabama schedules and the way the SEC protects their top teams to get them to the NC game with the least resistance. I talk about the reasons you give and you get all irked when I don't accept your excuse and show why it's laughable. When you run out of excuses or there's just no excuse for it you just say "yeah, but I don't like how they do that" . Well that makes it all better.lol

When I point out the collection of sisters of the poor alabama schedules you give us the " we try to help local schools" excuse. That explains Chattanooga and North Texas right? When I pointed out that Alabama only plays these teams at home . You say Alabama does it for economic reasons. You must think we are idiots because everyone knows anything that saban and his ad cook up is strictly for football reasons. Alabama would gladly flush a couple million down the toilet if it helped them get to the NC games so your excuse is laughable.
Then I point out that only 3 times Alabama has played road OCC games. You come back with what about all those neutral game sites. You jokingly ask if you should count them as home games. Well you played four in ten years (big wow) and only two were actual neutral game. The other two your fan base had to drive 3 hours to the game. For many USC fans thats about an hour less than every home game . The other team came from two three states away. So it's laughable that you wanna count that as an "away" game.

 

[mcnabb7542]

Chips made a deal with the devil for sure. The guy keeps falling ass backwards into cupcake situations that make him look like a genius.

He becomes HC at Oregon right when the rest of the PAC is stinking up the joint at a historical level and USC is about to get slammed.

Then after getting caught buying players and running a longest yard roster, he becomes the coach of the Eagles when the rest of their div is a 5 alarm dumpster fire.

Sigh.....

December 7th, 2014 is all I got to say about that!

 

[Bandwagonbo2]

I don't have a reading comprehension problem . I point out the cowardly way Alabama schedules and the way the SEC protects their top teams to get them to the NC game with the least resistance. I talk about the reasons you give and you get all irked when I don't accept your excuse and show why it's laughable. When you run out of excuses or there's just no excuse for it you just say "yeah, but I don't like how they do that" . Well that makes it all better.lol

1. When I point out the collection of sisters of the poor alabama schedules you give us the " we try to help local schools" excuse. That explains Chattanooga and North Texas right? 2. When I pointed out that Alabama only plays these teams at home . You say Alabama does it for economic reasons. 3. You must think we are idiots because everyone knows anything that saban and his ad cook up is strictly for football reasons. Alabama would gladly flush a couple million down the toilet if it helped them get to the NC games so your excuse is laughable.
Then I point out that only 3 times Alabama has played road OCC games. You come back with what about all those neutral game sites. You jokingly ask if you should count them as home games. Well you played four in ten years (big wow) and only two were actual neutral game. The other two your fan base had to drive 3 hours to the game. For many USC fans thats about an hour less than every home game . The other team came from two three states away. So it's laughable that you wanna count that as an "away" game.

1. Please cite an example of ME ever saying this. I had not even commented on any of the OOC games not Neuttral site games until a few posts ago and have never stated anything of the sort, but I will defer to you since you say you dont have a reading comprehension problem. I will look forward to seeing your proof i stated what you said.

2. Again, please cite an example, you keep putting words in my mouth and what you are posting is simply not true of my posts. My comments on economic reasons stem from my conversations on the neutral site games only and not any other games we play. I can show you several posts that show i do not condone our lower tier teams we play, but that would require you to read and comprehend what I am saying apparently. Maybe I will work later on drawing you a picture so you can grasp it.

3. This one made me LOL and spit coffee. You dont know shit about Saban or Battle, but yet pretend you do and that shows you are grasping. Whats funny about it is the football team supports the entire Athletic Department with a surplus left over to put back into other needs for the school, yet you want them to flush millions for the sake of making piss ants like yourself happy. Laughable that you think they even give a shit about yours or anyone's concerns when it comes to the bottom line for the University.

4. Now the last part shows you dont know shit about what your talking about. Bama has played VT and Clemson in Atlanta. VT is 400 miles away and a very easy drive down the interstate system to Atlanta. Takes about 5 hours or so to get there versus 3 hours for Alabama fans from Tuscaloosa. Pretty even in terms of travel hours and ease, especially for a game like that. Clemson on the other hand is about 120 miles from Atlanta which is for all purposes much more a home game for them than it would be for Alabama. Both teams we played traveled well and represented themselves equally if not more so than Alabama did, but yet that screws with your argument doesnt it, so you make up shit to make yourself feel like you accomplished something. Smiles made a comment that Georgia playing in Atlanta was a home game and they are 69.7 miles from there and Clemson is about 50-60 miles from Athens. I personally have driven from Clemson to downtown Atlanta by the Stadium in less than 2 hours myself. Thats really a home game for Tuscaloosa fans and stacking the deck in our favor huh?

What I get from your posts is you dont see that every team in the SEC has a similar resume, or that every team in the ACC has a similar resume, you only focus on Alabama because of some perceived slight in your past that makes you prejudiced towards Alabama and blind to anything else happening that might be the same or worse. What else I get is you dont read the posts fully, you fly off the handle and see what you want to see, without comprehending what your reading fully.

 

[WhiteMamba]

Oregon Ducks news.

Jake Rodrigues is transferring

 

[WizardHawk]

I am the first to admit that our schedule last year was weaker than normal. But why is Alabama such a big deal here, while FSU had a schedule that was way more weak than Alabama? And "technically" 2 FCS in a single year is not a trend.

But the reason you are citing is not the reason anyone is speaking out. It boils down to the extra game gives them a greater chance to be defeated and you feel that is an advantage. Which is really to say "We want you to defeat yourselves so maybe we won't have to play you in the national championship" Beyond that, they care because it's easier to get teams bowl eligible, which doesn't really affect the national championship, but helps the conference overall.

I can't speak for others here, but that's total BS. Hell, the team I root for has no chance at the title and I doubt USC fans are that concerned at this time about it as well.

Adding another game improves your conferences SOS and would require everyone else to keep theirs in mind as they look at their own OOC practices each year.

For your statement to be true the other fans up here posting would have to be as obsessed at getting titles no matter how easy the road is as you are.

You do know that USC is one of only a couple of schools to never play a FCS level team right? They won several championships without the need to play fluff teams before rivalry games and without the need to play 3 crappy teams to inflate their win/loss record. They are likely just saying why can't your conference do that as well. If they follow your logic they should be dumping ND every year and play terrible teams so they too can have an easy road to the playoffs. They don't want that. We don't want that.