The PAC12 THREAD v.2

[Bandwagonbo2]

As soon as the ACC starts winning NCs we will Bo, till then it's SPANK the SEC and the Gumps in particular..120?

Jezuz H Chrysler! What a weak azz conference that SEC is, cept for LS>>>>U!

Been asleep Wallace?

Florida State defeats Auburn to win BCS championship - NFL.com

Last I checked FSU is an ACC school and they have played 10 FCS teams in 10 years time, more than almost all the SEC teams except for three I believe. Might be time to start since it appears they won a BCS title recently.

 

[TexasExes98]

So fans who agree with the coaches all across the country that have spoken up in favor of a level playing field are simply ridiculing others?

I know I never said the SEC was the worst. The only think I said was any real solution would have include them. The ACC making a change alone wouldn't impact the Pac at all as they are largely irrelevant anyway. I mean after FSU is what? And FSU plays Florida every year.

Either every conference should go to 8 and we all just accept that the sport is going to stay watered down or we all go to 9 and at least reclaim one of those lost games. I know I'm asking too much to go to 9 and stop all FBS v FCS games, but obviously that would be the ideal for the fans.

You're attacking the fan base of SEC schools. Your anger should be directed towards the AD's and Presidents of these universities. Write them letters or contact the schools; yelling at message board posters isn't doing anything.

 

[Bandwagonbo2]

1) WSU is barely above FCS level themselves so who cares?
2) I haven't been bashing on Bama. This discussion is about the SEC conference, not any one team within it. Mostly it's beem smiles bashing you.
3) Don't think any of us have denied our own teams/conferences downturn in scheduling. I want to see them improve for all across this whole sport. Trying to make those changes without getting the SEC to go along would prove to be futile.

1. Excuses from you?
2. Its been across the board by not just smiles, although he is religious about his Bama hate.
3. I for one have not denied my teams three lower tier games, but yet one dedicated worm on here keeps trying to put words in my mouth to make it see as though I have. Cant wait to see who he goes after in the ACC thread if he shows at all.

 

[WizardHawk]

You're attacking the fan base of SEC schools. Your anger should be directed towards the AD's and Presidents of these universities. Write them letters or contact the schools; yelling at message board posters isn't doing anything.

I'm not attacking anyone and if you don't understand that message boards are a place where you can share your ideas/opinions and debate topics then I'm afraid you are in the entirely wrong place sport. That's what this place and this thread are here for.

 

[trojanfan12]

I agree, just saying no BSU fan should be running smack towards anybody's schedule, that's all. Regarding BSU, they don't bring anything to the table. Outside of football, do they play any other sports? I'm sure they do, but you don't hear about them. BSU has no TV market to offer a conference, is pretty weak on the academic side and has a weak football stadium, but mainly, there isn't a TV market. There is more to just having a good football program when it comes to receiving an invitation to a big boy conference.

True. I think that, to a point, they've "put the cart before the horse" by trying to get into a BCS conference before they had the facilities/academics to justify it. I like their efforts though and hope to see them in a BCS conference some day soon. I wouldn't mind seeing them in the PAC if they can get the facilities and academics where they need to be.

As for t.v. revenue, I'm not sure how much that does or should play into it. There are plenty of schools in BCS conferences that aren't exactly in large t.v. markets themselves. T.V. will come with whatever BCS conference they ultimately get into.

They should probably slow down just a bit, finish upgrading their stadium (I heard they've started an expansion project) and get the academic side up. Then they should be more attractive to a BCS conference when the next round of conference expansion starts.

 

[socaljim242]

Thanks for proving my points correct, you deflect and twist instead of answering my post when I asked for specific examples of where i stated something. This shows you cant and that you are doing exactly what I stated, twisting and lying to support your argument. Notice you didnt speak on the stacking of the games to our favor due to my proving you wrong. Notice you didnt cite examples of things you stated I had said because there were none. Now we have another conference that has denied the 9 game, where is your outrage at that conference, who by the way has played more FCS teams in the last 10 years than the SEC. Lets see you rail on them, or is it only Alabama that you feel disdain for. Reading comprehension got your tongue?

I used Alabama as an example because when I jumped on this thread it was Alabama fans who were griping about PAC coaches . We all know the SEC as a whole schedules so their top teams benefit. As for proving anything. I proved Alabama doesn't travel for OCC games ( 3 in ten years). That they play a carousel of one legged trucking schools only at home. You say they don't travel and play crap teams because Alabama is actually trying to be physically responsible and it's just too expensive to go play some at their stadium. You say this scheduling works because it makes them money and it helps them end up with a great final record . Oh, and we are jealous and why don't we have our schools schedule like that. So now another conference does it too. That doesn't make it any less cowardly you just have company.

****fiscally responsible

 

[Bandwagonbo2]

I'm not attacking anyone and if you don't understand that message boards are a place where you can share your ideas/opinions and debate topics then I'm afraid you are in the entirely wrong place sport. That's what this place and this thread are here for.

I dont think he was referring to you in general, it was more directed at some other posters on here who seem diligent in there efforts to make bold, outlandish lies in their posts and try to make them stick by spinning words and twisting things. They wont back up what they say if asked to show proof though. I wouldnt take it personal, we know your here just to debate....well atleast I do.

 

[mrwallace2ku]

Been asleep Wallace?

Florida State defeats Auburn to win BCS championship - NFL.com

Last I checked FSU is an ACC school and they have played 10 FCS teams in 10 years time, more than almost all the SEC teams except for three I believe. Might be time to start since it appears they won a BCS title recently.

I only my eyes about twice a day and once on Sunday Bo...offseason ya know. Don't watch much southern ball, seems you boyz don't like to travel unless we come close to down thar.

Besides my teams crap, cept for those Basaballa boyz from corn valley. We might get to play an SEC team again this year in the WS.

 

[WizardHawk]

1. Excuses from you?
2. Its been across the board by not just smiles, although he is religious about his Bama hate.
3. I for one have not denied my teams three lower tier games, but yet one dedicated worm on here keeps trying to put words in my mouth to make it see as though I have. Cant wait to see who he goes after in the ACC thread if he shows at all.

What does WSU have to do with me or this discussion? That was my point on #1. Even the cougs don't care about the cougs schedule as long as they can drink themselves stupid on game day they are happy as pigs in shit.

I've given plenty of credit to Saban in this thread. I have no axe to grind with Bama, but I will point out when particular Bama posters (not you) say arrogant or stupid things. Who wouldn't?

It's pretty clear to me that if this sport is ever to get back to the high level of competition it has attempted to reach that a solution must include the SEC. The Pac staying at 9 hasn't budged anyone has it? With USC down they don't have the same pull they did a few years ago. I mean Oregon? Who gives a flying fuck about them outside of this conference?

The ACC staying with 8 won't help. This +1 nonsense is amusing anyway as those doing 9 are playing normally 10 teams from the power conferences as most good programs schedule at least one high level OOC as it is.

Just put everyone on the same field if you are going to try and compare them with such a small sample size. The season is too short to use non head to head comparisons as it is. Then when you get these wildly different schedules it only makes it worse. That to me is a part of it, but not the biggest as my team isn't within a mile of the playoffs anyway and I really don't care if Oregon or Stanford makes it that far.

I just want to see some good football man. That's it.

 

[trojanfan12]

Go on an make jokes, but lets see some posts in the ACC thread same as in here or we will all know its just anti-sec bullshit that drives those who have been in here. The ACC is a bigger offender and plays a similar schedule in terms of style, weaker in terms of strength due to it being the ACC. Lets see if it draws the same ire and crowd or if its played off because its not the SEC.

Let me know when ACC fans start pounding their chest about being "the #1 conference in the country", calling other conferences weak and start acting like other teams in their conferences success somehow makes their team successful and I'll be happy to post the same in the ACC thread.

 

[Bandwagonbo2]

I used Alabama as an example because when I jumped on this thread it was Alabama fans who were griping about PAC coaches . We all know the SEC as a whole schedules so their top teams benefit. As for proving anything. I proved Alabama doesn't travel for OCC games ( 3 in ten years). That they play a carousel of one legged trucking schools only at home. You say they don't travel and play crap teams because Alabama is actually trying to be physically responsible and it's just too expensive to go play some at their stadium. You say this scheduling works because it makes them money and it helps them end up with a great final record . Oh, and we are jealous and why don't we have our schools schedule like that. So now another conference does it too. That doesn't make it any less cowardly you just have company.

No, i said they play a neutral site game one time per year that makes them money. Home and homes are costly to the away team as they only make expenses for their efforts. The model Bama employs is actually a better thing for them being a state run school in a very poor state. I get that other states have plenty of money in their budgets, or that some schools are private institutions with plenty of money, but Alabama isnt one of those schools and they pretty much pay for the entire athletic department budget each year out of the money they bring in. You also claim that you know the SEC schedules to benefit their top teams and this also is not true. Show evidence that proves this because its circumstantial at best. The SEC has had the same rotation for a long time and tweaked it to include the 14 teams it now has, but it hasnt changed for a good while that I know of. I have only commented on the FCS and lower tier games a couple of times and my comments are there for all to read, if you didnt then i am sorry for you, maybe go back and find them, its worth reading I can assure you.

 

[Bandwagonbo2]

Let me know when ACC fans start pounding their chest about being "the #1 conference in the country", calling other conferences weak and start acting like other teams in their conferences success somehow makes their team successful and I'll be happy to post the same in the ACC thread.

Aside from calling their schedule weak, dont think i have ever done any of those, but its funny that is all it takes to differentiate the two. I mean i thought it was about the fairness issue and not about the chest thumping and accolades and false impressions. After all isnt it about a level playing field and not about all the other bullshit you spouted off about? or is that just so it can be about the SEC only? CAnt have it both wys, its either about fairness or its anti-rhetoric and clearly about individual agendas.

 

[trojanfan12]

Aside from calling their schedule weak, dont think i have ever done any of those, but its funny that is all it takes to differentiate the two. I mean i thought it was about the fairness issue and not about the chest thumping and accolades and false impressions. After all isnt it about a level playing field and not about all the other bullshit you spouted off about? or is that just so it can be about the SEC only? CAnt have it both wys, its either about fairness or its anti-rhetoric and clearly about individual agendas.

Never said you. You know as well as I do that there are all kinds of SEC fanboys out there who do exactly that.

In the above, you are talking about 2 completely different posts. Nice try at lumping them together, but it's a fail on your part.

You asked when I'm going to post in the ACC thread about their playing the most FCS schools and I answered your question. Simple as that. It has absolutely nothing to do with my other post about a level playing field.

 

[Bandwagonbo2]

Never said you. You know as well as I do that there are all kinds of SEC fanboys out there who do exactly that.

In the above, you are talking about 2 completely different posts. Nice try at lumping them together, but it's a fail on your part.

You asked when I'm going to post in the ACC thread about their playing the most FCS schools and I answered your question. Simple as that. It has absolutely nothing to do with my other post about a level playing field.

My point is that all this has come about because the Pac 12 coaches want a level playing field. If this is to be about that then I should hope to see the same Pac 12 coaches come out and make a statement similar in strenghth to the one they did against the SEC, unless its purely about the SEC(and we all know it is). This same argument happens yearly about this time and now we can see its not simply an SEC thing, but I wonder if the same disdain is felt for the ACC due to its similar practices? We will see over the next day or so if that thread gets the same love and we will get our answer of what its really about by the number of posts in that one versus this one. If its really about level field, then it should get similar responses. time will tell.

 

[WizardHawk]

My point is that all this has come about because the Pac 12 coaches want a level playing field. If this is to be about that then I should hope to see the same Pac 12 coaches come out and make a statement similar in strenghth to the one they did against the SEC, unless its purely about the SEC(and we all know it is). This same argument happens yearly about this time and now we can see its not simply an SEC thing, but I wonder if the same disdain is felt for the ACC due to its similar practices? We will see over the next day or so if that thread gets the same love and we will get our answer of what its really about by the number of posts in that one versus this one. If its really about level field, then it should get similar responses. time will tell.

You do know that the Pac coaches didn't come out on purpose right? They were all together and the media asked them questions about their thoughts on it and they replied. And not every HC said something. Petersen for example said he wasn't worried about anyone else's schedule as he had one of his own to prepare for.

I would expect if the media asked them questions (we all know it won't happen) that they would likely give the same answer.

It was the media that stirred this up and frankly it didn't have much legs in the news day as it was. Don't think I've read a thing about it since.

 

[Bandwagonbo2]

You do know that the Pac coaches didn't come out on purpose right? They were all together and the media asked them questions about their thoughts on it and they replied. And not every HC said something. Petersen for example said he wasn't worried about anyone else's schedule as he had one of his own to prepare for.

I would expect if the media asked them questions (we all know it won't happen) that they would likely give the same answer.

It was the media that stirred this up and frankly it didn't have much legs in the news day as it was. Don't think I've read a thing about it since.

Damn media again, dont they have anything better to do?

 

[socaljim242]

No, i said they play a neutral site game one time per year that makes them money. Home and homes are costly to the away team as they only make expenses for their efforts. The model Bama employs is actually a better thing for them being a state run school in a very poor state. I get that other states have plenty of money in their budgets, or that some schools are private institutions with plenty of money, but Alabama isnt one of those schools and they pretty much pay for the entire athletic department budget each year out of the money they bring in. You also claim that you know the SEC schedules to benefit their top teams and this also is not true. Show evidence that proves this because its circumstantial at best. The SEC has had the same rotation for a long time and tweaked it to include the 14 teams it now has, but it hasnt changed for a good while that I know of. I have only commented on the FCS and lower tier games a couple of times and my comments are there for all to read, if you didnt then i am sorry for you, maybe go back and find them, its worth reading I can assure you.

Yes I know the State of Alabama isn't one of the richest. But it's hilarious to use that as an excuse as to why the football team plays pathetic junior college cupcakes only at home and plays one game in Atlanta or Dallas. Alabama football is in the top three of money making programs , pays it's coach 7 million dollars have a million dollar recruiting budget.
How does SEC scheduling benefit their top teams? In a couple ways. If they don't play any other conferences they only lose to each other . So if a high ranked team plays another the loser really doesn't drop much in the polls because odds are the other team wont lose to Chattanooga or North Texas.
SEC schedules a warm up cupcake around the second to the last game of the season . Effectively giving teams a two weeks before the final conference game. Easier to impress and play a good game when both teams have had to weeks. When Arizona plays Arizona State or USC plays UCLA it would be great for them to have played University of Redlands and Azuza pacific the week before.

 

[Olyduck]

Oregon Ducks news.

Jake Rodrigues is transferring

unfortunately I called this the day Mariota said he was coming back. I didnt know who, but I knew at least 1 QB would transfer.

 

[Bandwagonbo2]

Yes I know the State of Alabama isn't one of the richest. But it's hilarious to use that as an excuse as to why the football team plays pathetic junior college cupcakes only at home and plays one game in Atlanta or Dallas. Alabama football is in the top three of money making programs , pays it's coach 7 million dollars have a million dollar recruiting budget.
How does SEC scheduling benefit their top teams? In a couple ways. If they don't play any other conferences they only lose to each other . So if a high ranked team plays another the loser really doesn't drop much in the polls because odds are the other team wont lose to Chattanooga or North Texas.
SEC schedules a warm up cupcake around the second to the last game of the season . Effectively giving teams a two weeks before the final conference game. Easier to impress and play a good game when both teams have had to weeks. When Arizona plays Arizona State or USC plays UCLA it would be great for them to have played University of Redlands and Azuza pacific the week before.

You keep throwing in the other games OOC as if that has been part of my point and it hasnt. I have spoken purely about the one neutral site game per year and only that game. I have voiced my opinion to the school on numerous occasions about the other three games to no avail, but its not part of my argument nor will it be in terms of the money situation.

Now in terms of benefits. The SEC is setup to play one Big 5 conference team per year. In case you dont know who that is its any team from the Big 12, PAC 12, B1G, AAC or ACC and that is usually the Neutral game for Bama. Then they can choose the other three OOC as fits in their schedule. Then its the SEC schedule, which they have no control at all over. Yes the SEC teams spread out their lower tier teams over the season but usually start with top competition right off the bat and start conference play as early as week two sometimes. Most other conferences are playing cupcakes(and sometimes losing to them) while the SEC is playing teams like VT, Clemson, Boise, Oregon, TTU to start a year. That does make a difference when you have to start with a team who could beat you versus playing a team you should beat with your waterboy and cheerleaders(and still sometimes losing). Now, if your counting, thats nine games of top competition from a big 5 conference plus the SEC and three nobodies, which is what many other conferences do most years.

When you gonna post in the ACC thread about their 8 game schedule they just voted to keep? They are "gaming" the system too dont you think?

 

[RegentDenali]

December 7th, 2014 is all I got to say about that!

Looking forward to it. LOB!!!