The PAC12 THREAD v.2

[The Crimson King]

Yes it is. If they remove 14 cupcakes (1 each team) and replace them with other teams in the conference half lose and half win. That's an automatic increase of 7 total losses for the conference more than what they currently get. How do you guys not understand that?

You won't be dropping the non conference rivals and you won't be dropping the few good teams you play, it will be one of those embarrassingly bad teams you all play every year.

The question isn't does it add 7, but which of the 7 teams gets that extra loss. Mostly it will be the lower teams anyway, but it will absolutely put some team below 6 that otherwise would have been there and give more chances for upset to the teams in the top 25. This isn't speculation, it is pure fact. And really shouldn't need to be explained to be understood.

Oregon State plays three cupcakes, Arizona plays three cupcakes, Colorado plays three cupcakes. You don't think some SEC teams would do the same?

Florida has lost to a cupcake, Arkansas has lost to a cupcake, Ole Miss has lost to a cupcake, BAMA has lost to a cupcake..........

You're not thinking this through

 

[WizardHawk]

I'm not the one to rewrite history, you guys are. Aside from the lack of the NC, I am very happy with my Dawgs in the BCS era. Obviously, no one knows what might have been if this or that had been different.

I'm not rewriting anything. You asked how it was possible and I said how. I also said it wouldn't have likely came up often.

Adding 1 more real game a year increases the odds that even the best teams have a slip up. It's just irrefutable. Most might end up the same, but not all would. That's how it works.

Not a shock that most of the SEC teams don't want that. Why would they want to add more risk of derailing their big bowl chances? I just really don't want to see the Pac follow suit as we already all have enough terrible games. We need better games as fans and deserve it for our money.

 

[WizardHawk]

Oregon State plays three cupcakes, Arizona plays three cupcakes, Colorado plays three cupcakes. You don't think some SEC teams would do the same?

Florida has lost to a cupcake, Arkansas has lost to a cupcake, Ole Miss has lost to a cupcake, BAMA has lost to a cupcake..........

You're not thinking this through

Nothing you said disproves a thing I said. Nothing. So what's your point?

Not every SEC team plays a top caliber team in it's OOC now. Shall we list those as well? Bringing up Pac teams that didn't doesn't prove that the game that would be dropped by any of your teams would be one of their good games instead of the shit stains. Not in any way, shape or form.

And to say the odd upset by a cupcake changes that auto 7 game loss increase. Really?

In the last 10 years how many FCS teams have beat an SEC school and out of how many?

Wow folks. Now we have SEC fans telling us how dangerous their FCS schedule really is. I mean that's what he really just eluded to.

 

[WizardHawk]

It never ceases to amaze me what desperate lengths some of the team SEC heads will go to in trying to defend the defenseless. It's always entertaining anyway.

 

[The Crimson King]

Nothing you said disproves a thing I said. Nothing. So what's your point?

Not every SEC team plays a top caliber team in it's OOC now. Shall we list those as well? Bringing up Pac teams that didn't doesn't prove that the game that would be dropped by any of your teams would be one of their good games instead of the shit stains. Not in any way, shape or form.

And to say the odd upset by a cupcake changes that auto 7 game loss increase. Really?

In the last 10 years how many FCS teams have beat an SEC school and out of how many?

Wow folks. Now we have SEC fans telling us how dangerous their FCS schedule really is. I mean that's what he really just eluded to.

And you claim that I'm slow???

Go take a math class

 

[WizardHawk]

And you claim that I'm slow???

Go take a math class

Right, because removing 14 wins a year and replacing them with 7 wins and 7 losses doesn't equal 7 more losses for the conference than what they have now.

I'm not convinced that some of you graduated grade school, more or less college. This is just not that complicated. It really isn't.

 

[LawDawg]

Nothing you said disproves a thing I said. Nothing. So what's your point?

Well, you really haven't proven anything. You've stated the obvious, that no one argues with - if the SEC plays 9 IC games, 7 teams will have one more loss. Other than that you are making all sorts of conclusions from that that simply can't be supported. Maybe it would have happened, maybe it wouldn't have. Who knows, and who cares.

If you want to complain about fairness, the BigXII guys have you ... they play a true round robin ... the only conference that has every team play all others.

By making all these assumptions about what might have been, you are trying to rewrite history. Let it go ... we have a new system setup in the future that will get more teams in the playoff. Let's see what happens. Maybe you will be proven right.

 

[LawDawg]

It never ceases to amaze me what desperate lengths some of the team SEC heads will go to in trying to defend the defenseless. It's always entertaining anyway.

It never ceases to amaze me that in order to find something to put down the SEC's dominance in college football, you try to rewrite history with a bunch of assumptions. That it bothers you so much that you have to play "what if" games is entertaining.

 

[WizardHawk]

Well, you really haven't proven anything. You've stated the obvious, that no one argues with - if the SEC plays 9 IC games, 7 teams will have one more loss. Other than that you are making all sorts of conclusions from that that simply can't be supported. Maybe it would have happened, maybe it wouldn't have. Who knows, and who cares.

If you want to complain about fairness, the BigXII guys have you ... they play a true round robin ... the only conference that has every team play all others.

By making all these assumptions about what might have been, you are trying to rewrite history. Let it go ... we have a new system setup in the future that will get more teams in the playoff. Let's see what happens. Maybe you will be proven right.

Nope, didn't make any assumptions and already called you out on it. Does saying it several times make it true?

You say the 7 more losses is obvious and no one argues with it and yet that's exactly what crimson was doing just before you wrote that.

And I made no rewrites of anything. I said adding more losses increases the chances of even the better teams getting one of those. That too should be painfully obvious and irrefutable and yet here we are having to keep repeating it because some of your fellow posters are a bit slow on it.

 

[WizardHawk]

It never ceases to amaze me that in order to find something to put down the SEC's dominance in college football, you try to rewrite history with a bunch of assumptions. That it bothers you so much that you have to play "what if" games is entertaining.

And here you go again with saying things that just aren't true. You asked a question and I answered it. In what universe does that constitute an actual rewrite of history?

You know you used to be better than this. I remember having some really decent conversation with you. Not sure why you are sinking to this depth, but maybe some of the stupid of the other team SEC heads is rubbing off on you or something.

 

[socaljim242]

This simply proves you guys aren't too smart when it comes to scheduling. Face it, the SEC isn't going to give up having 8 home games most every year. Just isn't going to happen. Too profitable for the schools and the towns/cities they are located in. Instead of crying here, contact your AD and tell them to schedule better. You can point at FCS games, I'm with you there. You can say you play 3 OOC and we play 4 ... I don't necessarily agree, but it's a fair argument. Home games OOC? Nah, don't care about that when you could do the same thing.

So this up coming season instead of playing Notre Dame and Fresno State at home and Boston College on the road you suggest we ask the AD to schedule Pomona College and St. Marys and UC Riverside all at home . Yeah , thanks for the suggestion but I'd rather (as would most USC fans ) poke my eye out than watch glorified scrimmage games just to pad the record and make a little more money for the school. Sad that you people actually put up with farce games like that and pathetic you actually count them as wins the same as USC going to Boston College or UCLA going to Texas.

 

[Codaxx]

So this up coming season instead of playing Notre Dame and Fresno State at home and Boston College on the road you suggest we ask the AD to schedule Pomona College and St. Marys and UC Riverside all at home . Yeah , thanks for the suggestion but I'd rather (as would most USC fans ) poke my eye out than watch glorified scrimmage games just to pad the record and make a little more money for the school. Sad that you people actually put up with farce games like that and pathetic you actually count them as wins the same as USC going to Boston College or UCLA going to Texas.

Actually UCLA and Texas will be a neutral site game. I am not so blind to say Dallas is not an advantage for Texas, but technically it is a neutral site

 

[trojanfan12]

Well, you really haven't proven anything. You've stated the obvious, that no one argues with - if the SEC plays 9 IC games, 7 teams will have one more loss. Other than that you are making all sorts of conclusions from that that simply can't be supported. Maybe it would have happened, maybe it wouldn't have. Who knows, and who cares.

If you want to complain about fairness, the BigXII guys have you ... they play a true round robin ... the only conference that has every team play all others.

By making all these assumptions about what might have been, you are trying to rewrite history. Let it go ... we have a new system setup in the future that will get more teams in the playoff. Let's see what happens. Maybe you will be proven right.

You do realize that the only reason that they play a round robin is because they only have 10 teams in the conference and therefore cannot have a CCG, right?

Also, the PAC played a round robin schedule from 2006 until the conference expanded. Even after the conference expanded, the PAC kept it's 9 game IC schedule. When the Big 12 had 12 teams and could play a CCG, they played an 8 game IC schedule.

 

[trojanfan12]

So this up coming season instead of playing Notre Dame and Fresno State at home and Boston College on the road you suggest we ask the AD to schedule Pomona College and St. Marys and UC Riverside all at home . Yeah , thanks for the suggestion but I'd rather (as would most USC fans ) poke my eye out than watch glorified scrimmage games just to pad the record and make a little more money for the school. Sad that you people actually put up with farce games like that and pathetic you actually count them as wins the same as USC going to Boston College or UCLA going to Texas.

Exactly!! Due to distance, I can't make every USC game, so I try to make it to 2 USC games every season, 1 OOC and 1 IC. I would be pissed if I had to choose from Pomona-Pitzer, Azusa Pacific and Roadmaster Truck Driving School for my OOC game, especially if they had the temerity to charge me the same price as a game vs. ASU or Washington.

 

[WhiteMamba]

Knock on the SC @ BC game or Oregon @ Virginia all you want. Point is they are major conference games across the country. Something many southern schools just refuse to play in.

And I for one, can't wait to bs with some Virginia Cavs fans when they come out here.

 

[trojanfan12]

Actually UCLA and Texas will be a neutral site game. I am not so blind to say Dallas is not an advantage for Texas, but technically it is a neutral site

Either way, as a Longhorn fan, would rather pay full price to watch them play UCLA or Southeast Plano School of Cosmetology and Zoro-Astrian Studies?

 

[The Crimson King]

Right, because removing 14 wins a year and replacing them with 7 wins and 7 losses doesn't equal 7 more losses for the conference than what they have now.

I'm not convinced that some of you graduated grade school, more or less college. This is just not that complicated. It really isn't.

the point is that you're not removing 14 wins

 

[smilesid]

In 2011 it would only be 4 additional losses because it was preexpansion.

And before anyone accuses me of cherry picking,

2010 Ole Miss is the only team to lose to a mid major, so 5 additional losses
2009 Vandy and Miss St lost to mid major, so 4 additional losses.

So in a 5 year period the SEC would have had an additional 23 losses if they had to play a 9 game conference schedule making the extremely bold assumption that the game that was lost, would have been the game dumped.

No, if you call Georgia, the SEC East Champ that year, getting humiliated by Boise State (in Atlanta!), who rose to #3 in the polls that year as a loss to the equivalent of an "FCS or Sun Belt" team, you are stupid beyond words.

Indeed, it proves why the SEC doesn't take on challenging games. If you play good teams instead of patty cakes, sometimes you get exposed. Georgia broke the SEC pattern by agreeing to several such contests. Our Bulldawg friends protested loudly. After Boise pulled a General Sherman on them, the UGA blogs were horrified that they took on such a trap game against a worthy opponent who came into town hungry and focused.

Nope, the SEC is back to what it has been doing now for a decade, make their non-conference schedules as easy as humanly possible.

Yes, it works, but it is cowardly. That isn't even debatable.

 

[mrwallace2ku]

Mamba...what was for dinner last nite with your fam?

Where did you end up going and did you keep your sanity with 4 youngins running around all nite?

lolz...

 

[WhiteMamba]

Mamba...what was for dinner last nite with your fam?

Where did you end up going and did you keep your sanity with 4 youngins running around all nite?

lolz...

Boys wanted Red Lobster, so we had Red Lobster. They were pretty good. THe little guy got pretty tired and threw a bit of a fit...

$200 bill of course, but it was cool.

We all go out to eat together maybe once a month. So we are used to it. I will say, a Pizza joint is much easier...