The PAC12 THREAD v.2

[7Samurai13]

wasn't the statement that adding another conference game adds 7 more total losses to the conference? That's not a fact

So how often do SEC teams lose to their FCS or Sunbelt opponents? Lets just say it is once every year. So rather than having 1 loss, it's 7, unless you are going to argue that two teams are going to win one game, so it is 6 additional losses a year.

 

[LawDawg]

So how often do SEC teams lose to their FCS or Sunbelt opponents? Lets just say it is once every year. So rather than having 1 loss, it's 7, unless you are going to argue that two teams are going to win one game, so it is 6 additional losses a year.

Your assumption is wildly off.

 

[RegentDenali]

^ I don't see any "butterknives" on the top of the shoulder pads...must be road unis...

Butter knives.

 

[RegentDenali]

NBCsports - The Pac-12′s quarterbacking future’s so bright, it’s gotta wear shades – if recruiting rankings hold any weight, that is.

Friday evening, Newhall, Calif. high schooler Brady White verbally committed to play his college football at Arizona State next year. In addition to the Sun Devils, the finalists for White’s verbal (for now) services were ASU conference rivals Cal and Oregon.

White is a touted four-star prospect in the Class of 2015, rated as the No. 3 pro-style quarterback in the country by Rivals.com.

The two pro-style quarterbacks ahead of White in next year’s class? No. 1 Josh Rosen, committed to play at UCLA, and No. 2 Ricky Towns, committed to play at USC. So, yes, that means the top three pro-style quarterbacks in next year’s class are committed to Pac-12 schools.

To stretch it out even further when it comes to the Left Coast league, four of the top eight and five of the top 12 are committed to Pac-12 schools, the others being No. 8 Jake Browning (Washington) and No. 12 David Sills (USC, since the age of 13).

Interestingly, the No. 7 prospect in that group, Brett Rypien, is verbally committed to Boise State amongst all of the Power Five heavyweights who are heavily pursuing the nephew of former NFL quarterback — and Pac-12 great — Mark Rypien.

 

[7Samurai13]

Your assumption is wildly off.

In 2013 Florida and Kentucky both lost one game to a mid major or lower team, so 5 additional losses.
In 2012 Kentucky and Arkansas both lost one game to a mid major team, so 5 additional losses.
In 2011 Georgia (Boise St) and Ole Miss both lost one game to a mid major team, so 5 additional losses.

So yes, I was so widely off that I was off by one loss a year. So assuming that the game that would be dropped would have been the one game that would have been dropped then the last 3 years would have resulted in an additional 15 losses for the conference.

 

[UTVolCountry]

I'd rather keep the FCS and replace the other mid-major with a major conference team. Doing away with the FCS game would just add another mid-major

If we're gonna have 4 OOC games, I'd like to see 2 vs a major conference team and 2 vs a mid-major team. I just really hate the games vs Austin Peay, UT-Chattanooga & UT-Martin, it feels like a bye week.

 

[7Samurai13]

In 2011 it would only be 4 additional losses because it was preexpansion.

And before anyone accuses me of cherry picking,

2010 Ole Miss is the only team to lose to a mid major, so 5 additional losses
2009 Vandy and Miss St lost to mid major, so 4 additional losses.

So in a 5 year period the SEC would have had an additional 23 losses if they had to play a 9 game conference schedule making the extremely bold assumption that the game that was lost, would have been the game dumped.

 

[mrwallace2ku]

6* Humbolt High School Sr. QB Brocket Northstar 6'8" 245LB. (27950 yrds, 163 TD, 2 INTs/4yr totals) has hinted this week that after this falls harvest time at his family ranch he plans on heading North and hiking on the Pacific Coast Trail.

Brocket spoke to Rival reporter Dane Spritz..."I really don't know where I'm going, doesn't matter. I just finished a week down at the local sweat lodge and am now on a "spiritual journey" up to the GREAT NORTHWEST which I have always wanted to do. My passion is surfing and abalone diving. Mum-n-Pabst went to college at Oregon State and always said I was conceived in the back room of Weatherford Hall on campus. Perhaps this Jewel on the Nile is where I'll land and peddle my wares, including my family harvested crop from fall."

Dane Spritz called Beaver coach Mike Riley on Friday and asked the all important question on every school located within the Golden Triangle region, "So Mike, what are the chances of landing bluechipper Brocket Northstar on your Beaver squad this coming August?" Riley replied, "Well I don't think it will be that hard Dane, last time I talked to Brocket He basically told us and our recruiting department that is was "put up or shut up" and that the terms of the deal were that our boosters and Institution were on the hook for 33.75 million in Purple Kush sales/yr. and he would play for us then. Our boosters jumped at the opportunity to help Brocket's family farm thrive and increase Corvallis's burn rate which has been at level zero for the past 25 years. We just think this is a perfect situation for both sides here. We all looking forward to whenever Brocket arrives on campus at his leisure."

Things are definately taking a turn for the better in the Beaver recruiting area this year as well.

Happy Sat Nite Pacerz!

 

[LawDawg]

In 2011 it would only be 4 additional losses because it was preexpansion.

And before anyone accuses me of cherry picking,

2010 Ole Miss is the only team to lose to a mid major, so 5 additional losses
2009 Vandy and Miss St lost to mid major, so 4 additional losses.

So in a 5 year period the SEC would have had an additional 23 losses if they had to play a 9 game conference schedule making the extremely bold assumption that the game that was lost, would have been the game dumped.

Can you repeat what it is you are saying here, because I have no idea. I even went back to see if I could find the post that started this and didn't find it (cursory review admitted).

Are you trying to say that the extra IC game would have resulted in more losses in the SEC? Duh. It has to as you have to have 1 winner and 1 loser in an IC game. Who cares? Most of those losses would go to the lesser teams in the league at that the time. Are you saying it would have impacted the NCs? A few fewer bowl teams? The NCs, nah ... those teams took care of business and I doubt it would have matter. A few fewer bowl teams, sure ... a couple here or there may not have gotten to 6 wins ... but who cares about any team that gets in with 6 wins any way?

I really don't get this line of thought. Help a guy out and explain it to me.

 

[WhiteMamba]

UP TO 10,800 VCASH

killing these NBA playoffs. I started at under 1000

 

[WhiteMamba]

6* Humbolt High School Sr. QB Brocket Northstar 6'8" 245LB. (27950 yrds, 163 TD, 2 INTs/4yr totals) has hinted this week that after this falls harvest time at his family ranch he plans on heading North and hiking on the Pacific Coast Trail.

Brocket spoke to Rival reporter Dane Spritz..."I really don't know where I'm going, doesn't matter. I just finished a week down at the local sweat lodge and am now on a "spiritual journey" up to the GREAT NORTHWEST which I have always wanted to do. My passion is surfing and abalone diving. Mum-n-Pabst went to college at Oregon State and always said I was conceived in the back room of Weatherford Hall on campus. Perhaps this Jewel on the Nile is where I'll land and peddle my wares, including my family harvested crop from fall."

Dane Spritz called Beaver coach Mike Riley on Friday and asked the all important question on every school located within the Golden Triangle region, "So Mike, what are the chances of landing bluechipper Brocket Northstar on your Beaver squad this coming August?" Riley replied, "Well I don't think it will be that hard Dane, last time I talked to Brocket He basically told us and our recruiting department that is was "put up or shut up" and that the terms of the deal were that our boosters and Institution were on the hook for 33.75 million in Purple Kush sales/yr. and he would play for us then. Our boosters jumped at the opportunity to help Brocket's family farm thrive and increase Corvallis's burn rate which has been at level zero for the past 25 years. We just think this is a perfect situation for both sides here. We all looking forward to whenever Brocket arrives on campus at his leisure."

Things are definately taking a turn for the better in the Beaver recruiting area this year as well.

Happy Sat Nite Pacerz!

 

[mrwallace2ku]

AP Wire Service:

Oregon State University announced today that it will be closing it's Business School and right-wing think tank branch of the Heritage Foundation. Savings to the University will be 150 million dollars. When ask why, the school indicated the cost saving cuts were due to the changing attitude all over campus and among all facility and administrators within the Budget department. Sources indicated the cost savings would be passed on over to the Athletic Department immediately.

 

[TheLonestarDUCK]

Can you repeat what it is you are saying here, because I have no idea. I even went back to see if I could find the post that started this and didn't find it (cursory review admitted).

Are you trying to say that the extra IC game would have resulted in more losses in the SEC? Duh. It has to as you have to have 1 winner and 1 loser in an IC game. Who cares? Most of those losses would go to the lesser teams in the league at that the time. Are you saying it would have impacted the NCs? A few fewer bowl teams? The NCs, nah ... those teams took care of business and I doubt it would have matter. A few fewer bowl teams, sure ... a couple here or there may not have gotten to 6 wins ... but who cares about any team that gets in with 6 wins any way?

I really don't get this line of thought. Help a guy out and explain it to me.

Surely not the Natty's -- but you have to admit the only reason a couple SEC teams go to a bowl game is because of Four cupcake OOS. Kentucky comes to mind. I'm either too lazy or too stupid to look it up. But more than likely every 6 win SEC team that has gone to a bowl - prolly wouldn't have with a 9 game IC.

 

[7Samurai13]

Can you repeat what it is you are saying here, because I have no idea. I even went back to see if I could find the post that started this and didn't find it (cursory review admitted).

Are you trying to say that the extra IC game would have resulted in more losses in the SEC? Duh. It has to as you have to have 1 winner and 1 loser in an IC game. Who cares? Most of those losses would go to the lesser teams in the league at that the time. Are you saying it would have impacted the NCs? A few fewer bowl teams? The NCs, nah ... those teams took care of business and I doubt it would have matter. A few fewer bowl teams, sure ... a couple here or there may not have gotten to 6 wins ... but who cares about any team that gets in with 6 wins any way?

I really don't get this line of thought. Help a guy out and explain it to me.

In a way I am actually agreeing with you that it won't be 7 additional losses. Probably closer to 5. But the assumption that the top teams won't have additional losses is not necessarily true. Alabama will have gone six years without having been scheduled to play Georgia. What do you think the chances that in some of those years that the additional game would have been against georgia? It's been a while since Alabama has been scheduled to play Florida. So some of the top teams would more than likely have additional losses as well.

 

[WizardHawk]

wasn't the statement that adding another conference game adds 7 more total losses to the conference? That's not a fact

Yes it is. If they remove 14 cupcakes (1 each team) and replace them with other teams in the conference half lose and half win. That's an automatic increase of 7 total losses for the conference more than what they currently get. How do you guys not understand that?

You won't be dropping the non conference rivals and you won't be dropping the few good teams you play, it will be one of those embarrassingly bad teams you all play every year.

The question isn't does it add 7, but which of the 7 teams gets that extra loss. Mostly it will be the lower teams anyway, but it will absolutely put some team below 6 that otherwise would have been there and give more chances for upset to the teams in the top 25. This isn't speculation, it is pure fact. And really shouldn't need to be explained to be understood.

 

[WizardHawk]

Can you repeat what it is you are saying here, because I have no idea. I even went back to see if I could find the post that started this and didn't find it (cursory review admitted).

Are you trying to say that the extra IC game would have resulted in more losses in the SEC? Duh. It has to as you have to have 1 winner and 1 loser in an IC game. Who cares? Most of those losses would go to the lesser teams in the league at that the time. Are you saying it would have impacted the NCs? A few fewer bowl teams? The NCs, nah ... those teams took care of business and I doubt it would have matter. A few fewer bowl teams, sure ... a couple here or there may not have gotten to 6 wins ... but who cares about any team that gets in with 6 wins any way?

I really don't get this line of thought. Help a guy out and explain it to me.

You can't guarantee it wouldn't have changed a national title. No one can. I mean what if that extra game was the top team in the other division that you otherwise got lucky to not have had to face (at least until the CCG)?

I mean at worst it might have impacted maybe one out of the last 5-6 as it would take both having the really great team you missed come up as the replacement and have the expected winner fall, but it certainly does increase the odds of failure.

 

[TexasExes98]

Not sure where I read or saw this, but some CFB analyst had a great idea regarding BCS schools who insist on scheduling FCS schools. He suggested why not schedule the FCS schools for spring games? These games against FCS schools are worthless and are pretty much a scrimmage anyway. This way, the FCS schools still get paid and the students, alumni and fans do not have to waste their time and money during the regular season to watch that bullshit. I think that is a fantastic idea, SEC.....

 

[LawDawg]

In a way I am actually agreeing with you that it won't be 7 additional losses. Probably closer to 5. But the assumption that the top teams won't have additional losses is not necessarily true. Alabama will have gone six years without having been scheduled to play Georgia. What do you think the chances that in some of those years that the additional game would have been against georgia? It's been a while since Alabama has been scheduled to play Florida. So some of the top teams would more than likely have additional losses as well.

You picked a bad example ... Bama and UGa were schedule 2 years ago, but it good screwed up because of expansion. And they met in what is considered the best SECCG in history 2 years ago, so Bama had to face them.

But, sure, there would be a few more losses for the top teams over the years ... makes sense. Doesn't make sense to me that will change the facts of what the SEC has done the past 8 years in the NC and in quality OOC games.

 

[LawDawg]

You can't guarantee it wouldn't have changed a national title. No one can. I mean what if that extra game was the top team in the other division that you otherwise got lucky to not have had to face (at least until the CCG)?

I mean at worst it might have impacted maybe one out of the last 5-6 as it would take both having the really great team you missed come up as the replacement and have the expected winner fall, but it certainly does increase the odds of failure.

I'm not the one to rewrite history, you guys are. Aside from the lack of the NC, I am very happy with my Dawgs in the BCS era. Obviously, no one knows what might have been if this or that had been different.

 

[WizardHawk]

Not sure where I read or saw this, but some CFB analyst had a great idea regarding BCS schools who insist on scheduling FCS schools. He suggested why not schedule the FCS schools for spring games? These games against FCS schools are worthless and are pretty much a scrimmage anyway. This way, the FCS schools still get paid and the students, alumni and fans do not have to waste their time and money during the regular season to watch that bullshit. I think that is a fantastic idea, SEC.....

Or just count an 11 game real season and have that cupcake be the first week (end of fall camp) for every team and their preseason.

Used to be the formula for a tiebreaker in the Pac only gave you 1/2 a win for beating non D1 schools. Few ever scheduled one because of it. You wouldn't wanted to have missed out on the RB because you beat up skulldragged A&M. If they just added something like that to this new playoff formula the program vanishes overnight.