The PAC12 THREAD v.2

[Bandwagonbo2]

And I applaud him for it and hope his influence wins the day at some point. We have all also given major props to LSU for having the balls to travel and play anyone on the road.

Apparently the Big 10 crowd doesnt seem to think so highly of his outspokenness. Might be that green headed monster speaking in this case though, not sure, just know he made a comment this week in the media I thought was completely ridiculous and made me laugh really hard when I read it. Must have been in a really gracious mood with his words when he said it is all I can figure out.

 

[WizardHawk]

The SEC doesn't tell you every year. The people who vote tell you that every year when they put 5 SEC teams in the top10.

Your fans act as though they are miles ahead of everyone else and we are saying they get there through an easier path. Not an easy path, but an easier. Of course you want to make something more out of that phrase than what it is.

If you think it's all about that 1 extra game and still the Pac12 schedules 1 more, then the Pac12 is run by a bunch of dumb asses.

That's the point!!!!!
If the SEC sticks to their guns the rest of the conferences will have no choice but to follow it or be left behind. We would all rather see the SEC step up and make this a better game for everyone. Not all of us are satisfied by 3 games a year of 70 point blowouts so we can artificially inflate our win/loss totals.

And btw, as for scheduling cupcakes before big games - as a whole in the conference, the same amount of wins and losses happen either way, so wtf does it matter. Both teams play an easy game before a big game to have more prep time. Big deal. 1 minute you are arguing about game quality, now you are upset because what?

The point is the other conferences don't need to do that. If you are that good then play 9 straight with a normal bye somewhere and prove it. The rest of us play dinged up and tired after another hard fought game the next week. Why can't the mighty Alabama?

Meanwhile, the only reason the SEC has those games late in the year is because the SEC plays tough games right out of the gate rather than playing the cupcakes the 1st 4 weeks.

If you must play stupid games of no consequence then get them out of the way before the kids come back to campus and give them a slate of games worth watching.

I mean I guess the Seahawks should schedule a couple of games every year against college teams as part of their schedule and make sure they play them the week before they face SF. I mean the NFCW is miles ahead of the south so it's not fair they get compared to them for HFA. We must add lower games to their non division schedule to make it more fair right?

 

[4down20]

Will this include ALL the games the Pac played down south and the handful of times the SEC played out west?

Your data, except for winning% @ home, means nothing when the SEC don't travel 420. Would be interesting to see the SEC OOC home data versus the SEC OOC away data noting who they played @ home versus who they played on the road tho.

I have no idea what you are trying to say.

But generally, all teams have a weaker strength of schedule @ home because they schedule cupcakes to come play there, while quality teams are either played on a neutral site or in a home and home series.

And that is not a SEC thing, that is a college football thing.

That in itself leads to much higher win% at home than it does on the road.

 

[WizardHawk]

I agree, I hate conference expansion.

Finally something we can agree on.

It's ridiculous that we keep making these bigger only to make more imbalance in the IC schedules.

The old 10 team days wasn't exactly balanced either as which year you got who at home vs road could really change your fortunes, but it was quite a bit better than what we all have now.

 

[Bandwagonbo2]

Drop as in cancel games.

you do realize that canceled games are done for certain reasons and its not about fear, its about money. A home and home holds no value in terms of actual dollars on both dates, but a neutral site game pays both opponents big money, which helps with the bottom line at the end of the year.

Getting all butthurt about being dropped only serves to make you see things skewed, look at it from a dollars and cents kind of perspective. I knew why they were doing it from the start and if you dont see that money is the biggest factor, then clearly you think more highly of MSU than other teams fans do.

 

[4down20]

Your fans act as though they are miles ahead of everyone else and we are saying they get there through an easier path. Not an easy path, but an easier. Of course you want to make something more out of that phrase than what it is.

I wouldn't say miles, but in conference strength gives a cushin.

That's the point!!!!!
If the SEC sticks to their guns the rest of the conferences will have no choice but to follow it or be left behind. We would all rather see the SEC step up and make this a better game for everyone. Not all of us are satisfied by 3 games a year of 70 point blowouts so we can artificially inflate our win/loss totals.

No, you just want to sit around and bitch and use it as an excuse as to why the SEC is performing better calling it "smoke and mirrors".

And bullshit. Even with only 3 OOC games the Pac12 still schedules FCS teams regularly. I guess that is the SEC's fault too?

The point is the other conferences don't need to do that. If you are that good then play 9 straight with a normal bye somewhere and prove it. The rest of us play dinged up and tired after another hard fought game the next week. Why can't the mighty Alabama?

Where is your proof of "needing" to do anything? You are just making claims because something is done, it is somehow needed. And what the fuck does it even matter for this topic? It doesn't, but it's just another thing for you to try and claim "smoke and mirrors". Either way, 1 SEC team wins, and 1 SEC team loses. You are claiming it's somehow cheapened because they play an easy team before the individual game? Are you serious with this shit?

If you must play stupid games of no consequence then get them out of the way before the kids come back to campus and give them a slate of games worth watching.

Once again, what the hell does it matter to you what other schools do here? The Pac12 is superior because you play your cupcakes to start the year? Holy shit, I can't believe you are really going to try and claim this kind of crap. How desperate are you here?

I mean I guess the Seahawks should schedule a couple of games every year against college teams as part of their schedule and make sure they play them the week before they face SF. I mean the NFCW is miles ahead of the south so it's not fair they get compared to them for HFA. We must add lower games to their non division schedule to make it more fair right?

And you finish with a NFL to college football schedule comparison fail.

 

[7Samurai13]

you do realize that canceled games are done for certain reasons and its not about fear, its about money. A home and home holds no value in terms of actual dollars on both dates, but a neutral site game pays both opponents big money, which helps with the bottom line at the end of the year.

Getting all butthurt about being dropped only serves to make you see things skewed, look at it from a dollars and cents kind of perspective. I knew why they were doing it from the start and if you dont see that money is the biggest factor, then clearly you think more highly of MSU than other teams fans do.

So you agree that Alabama lied when they stated that they dropped the games due to "uncertainty of the 9 game schedule." Glad we can agree about something. Some AD's are about doing things for the fans. That's why Michigan State has done many big games in both college basketball and in football. So maybe Alabama is all about whoring themselves out for money, but not all AD's are.

 

[WizardHawk]

No, you just want to sit around and bitch and use it as an excuse as to why the SEC is performing better calling it "smoke and mirrors".

Comparing two conferences that play entirely different schedules is a joke as it is. Add the fluff you do and it's far worse.

And bullshit. Even with only 3 OOC games the Pac12 still schedules FCS teams regularly. I guess that is the SEC's fault too?

Right, so you tell us we are dumb if we don't copy the elements that make your road easier and then call us names when we do? How is that not fail?

I've been clear as can be that I want to see a better football product. I want that for my own team in terms of what my money is being spent to see and in better match ups on TV every week. I can't get there if my own conference feels it has to dumb down to compete with what the SEC is doing. How complicated is that to understand?

Where is your proof of "needing" to do anything? You are just making claims because something is done, it is somehow needed. And what the fuck does it even matter for this topic? It doesn't, but it's just another thing for you to try and claim "smoke and mirrors". Either way, 1 SEC team wins, and 1 SEC team loses. You are claiming it's somehow cheapened because they play an easy team before the individual game? Are you serious with this shit?

Aren't you one of the people who keeps telling BSU fans that their wins against bigger teams isn't as impressive when they play cupcakes before playing them? Play LSU the week after you play A and M. And then play a middle tier SEC team where your risk of an upset is higher because of how draining those last two weeks were. That's what the Pac does every year. You aren't good enough to do it?

Once again, what the hell does it matter to you what other schools do here? The Pac12 is superior because you play your cupcakes to start the year? Holy shit, I can't believe you are really going to try and claim this kind of crap. How desperate are you here?

No, your lack of understanding is incredible though. It's been explained to you ad nauseum and you still don't get it.

And you finish with a NFL to college football schedule comparison fail.

Not surprising you don't like the analogy because it shows just how ludicrous your whole argument over why we all as fans should be happy and embrace the status quo.

I'd rather see the SEC and all of the BCS teams stop playing FCS schools and never play them again. And I'd like to see all of them play schedules worthy of their supposed talent. Why is that wanting too much?

 

[outofyourmind]

why would any program give up 5 home games a decade and the extra money that comes with that??
until it is shown that it hurts a team getting into the playoffs it would just be retarded to do something like that.


yeah, retarded

 

[WizardHawk]

why would any program give up 5 home games a decade and the extra money that comes with that??
until it is shown that it hurts a team getting into the playoffs it would just be retarded to do something like that.


yeah, retarded

Then why not drop to 6 or 7 conference games and expand it? I mean if money is all this is about then stop pretending there is real competition to be had. Let's just help out more of those no name FCS or even lower teams and help pad our own budgets more with 70 point blow out games in the name of bringing in more cash for our schools. You in favor of that?

 

[4down20]

Comparing two conferences that play entirely different schedules is a joke as it is. Add the fluff you do and it's far worse.

I don't add the fluff. The voters are nationwide.

Right, so you tell us we are dumb if we don't copy the elements that make your road easier and then call us names when we do? How is that not fail?

Hypocrite isn't exactly name calling here is it?

I've been clear as can be that I want to see a better football product. I want that for my own team in terms of what my money is being spent to see and in better match ups on TV every week. I can't get there if my own conference feels it has to dumb down to compete with what the SEC is doing. How complicated is that to understand?

Your team can schedule better quality games all it wants. But if it makes you feel better to blame the SEC for your weak OOC scheduling, so be it I guess.

Aren't you one of the people who keeps telling BSU fans that their wins against bigger teams isn't as impressive when they play cupcakes before playing them? Play LSU the week after you play A and M. And then play a middle tier SEC team where your risk of an upset is higher because of how draining those last two weeks were. That's what the Pac does every year. You aren't good enough to do it?

Umm no. I tell BSU fans that playing 1 good game a year isn't a good SoS.

And now the in conference scheduling for the SEC isn't strong enough for you?

No, your lack of understanding is incredible though. It's been explained to you ad nauseum and you still don't get it.

Yeah, I couldn't care less when a cupcake is played.

Not surprising you don't like the analogy because it shows just how ludicrous your whole argument over why we all as fans should be happy and embrace the status quo.

Comparing NFL and college schedules is dumb, and you do realize that both teams get the same benefit?

I'd rather see the SEC and all of the BCS teams stop playing FCS schools and never play them again. And I'd like to see all of them play schedules worthy of their supposed talent. Why is that wanting too much?

Maybe you should start with your own school if you actually care about it. Being a season ticket holder and all that. But I guess you are just so use to the SEC leading college football and improving it, you once again need the SEC to get things done for you.

I think I get it. The Pac12 - not able to bring change to college football, so we need the SEC to do it.

 

[LawDawg]

So when do most SEC teams start playing more than one quality OOC game? There are a few exceptions but most play one middle tier, major conference opponent and act like it is great and should be applauded but state that if they add one more conference game that they can;t lose their games against eastern central south tennessee school for the paraplegics because it would cause the school to fold, so the major conference game would be the one dropped.

Please provide a list of all non-SEC teams that play more than one quality OOC game year in and year out?

Crickets.

 

[LawDawg]

Am I the only one who thinks that the SEC is going to go to 7 conference games before they go to 9 because they have to protect their near by FCS and SunBelt schools?

Yeah, pretty sure you are the only one.

 

[WizardHawk]

Long posts are getting long.

I'll only quote your last line in the interest of not making full page posts.

I think I get it. The Pac12 - not able to bring change to college football, so we need the SEC to do it.

No shit.

If the SEC is able to get many teams in the top 10 and they play less conference games, more 70 point blow out games against nobodies, and sneak them in around the 3-5 good teams they play each year then you were the one that called us a bunch of dumbasses for not doing it too didn't you?

Why must we always come down to this circular logic to support the unsupportable? As paying fans we should demand to get the most out of our entertainment money and want to see high levels of competition shouldn't we? Of course I'd love to see my team contend for a title, but as fans I'd just like to start with going to fucking awesome games. Not those boring ass blow outs we still pay the same price for.

I'd rather see us go to 10 conference games than 8. We really don't need 3 a year. A few teams might sacrifice some of their traditional non conference rivalries but so be it. We all gain in the end with a better product. However you yourself said we'd have to be dumb to do so if the SEC is running 8 and getting away with it. Then go back in your circle about who has more pull to shape the current landscape.

Maybe as soon as some of your SEC fans get clued in and start demanding they drop those FCS games there can be real progress and your own HC can get his desired 9 game conf schedule to boot. Until then we are stuck with an increasingly diminishing product and excuses as to why it's required.

 

[LawDawg]

Stay at eight games, that's cool. But staph scheduling FCS schools. Have your conference season start later, schedule your tune up Sun Belt/Conference USA team weeks one or two, and everything will be right in the world.

I would love to play the pre-season patsies that most of you play, and then give up the November game. Just not going to happen with the SEC Network needing inventory. If anything, there will be more SEC games in the first month.

 

[4down20]

Long posts are getting long.

I'll only quote your last line in the interest of not making full page posts.


No shit.

If the SEC is able to get many teams in the top 10 and they play less conference games, more 70 point blow out games against nobodies, and sneak them in around the 3-5 good teams they play each year then you were the one that called us a bunch of dumbasses for not doing it too didn't you?

Why must we always come down to this circular logic to support the unsupportable? As paying fans we should demand to get the most out of our entertainment money and want to see high levels of competition shouldn't we? Of course I'd love to see my team contend for a title, but as fans I'd just like to start with going to fucking awesome games. Not those boring ass blow outs we still pay the same price for.

I'd rather see us go to 10 conference games than 8. We really don't need 3 a year. A few teams might sacrifice some of their traditional non conference rivalries but so be it. We all gain in the end with a better product. However you yourself said we'd have to be dumb to do so if the SEC is running 8 and getting away with it. Then go back in your circle about who has more pull to shape the current landscape.

Maybe as soon as some of your SEC fans get clued in and start demanding they drop those FCS games there can be real progress and your own HC can get his desired 9 game conf schedule to boot. Until then we are stuck with an increasingly diminishing product and excuses as to why it's required.

non-sequitur.

The SEC doesn't get that many teams up high simply because of 1 less conference game.

 

[WizardHawk]

I would love to play the pre-season patsies that most of you play, and then give up the November game. Just not going to happen with the SEC Network needing inventory. If anything, there will be more SEC games in the first month.

And if the SEC stops scheduling patsies at all the rest of us would have to follow suit and everyone wins with a better product.

Not all of those early season OOC games are patsis you know. All 3-4 of those early week slates have different teams from the conference playing some outstanding quality. Plenty of eye candy to be had around those shit games. I'd still rather get rid of the shit, but to suggest there aren't any good games during that time is laughable.

 

[LawDawg]

Then why not drop to 6 or 7 conference games and expand it? I mean if money is all this is about then stop pretending there is real competition to be had. Let's just help out more of those no name FCS or even lower teams and help pad our own budgets more with 70 point blow out games in the name of bringing in more cash for our schools. You in favor of that?

Why not drop to 1 conference game if you want to use that reasoning? Because that would be stupid and the fans wouldn't put up with it. Sticking to the subject, we are talking the difference between 8 and 9 IC games. You guys have your jimmies all rustled because you think that is what the SEC has done to create and maintain its dominance the past 8 years. Here's what I think ....

1. The SEC OOC isn't as bad as you guys make it out to be.
2. The weaker OOC is balanced by the stronger IC schedule the SEC plays, so it's even there.
3. It will all come out in the wash with the new playoff.

 

[NDHoosier101]

why would any program give up 5 home games a decade and the extra money that comes with that??
until it is shown that it hurts a team getting into the playoffs it would just be retarded to do something like that.


yeah, retarded

Recruiting, ND spends a home game every year on a neutral site game.

I would love to play the pre-season patsies that most of you play, and then give up the November game. Just not going to happen with the SEC Network needing inventory. If anything, there will be more SEC games in the first month.

Hey I get it, and it's not bad marketing, it makes match-ups that would be mediocre at best during the season must watch because everyone else is playing the sister's of the poor. It just forces the SEC to schedule FCS schools, which (honestly) hopefully other teams will start to take advantage of by only scheduling at least decent teams OOC. We shall see.

 

[LawDawg]

And if the SEC stops scheduling patsies at all the rest of us would have to follow suit and everyone wins with a better product.

Not all of those early season OOC games are patsis you know. All 3-4 of those early week slates have different teams from the conference playing some outstanding quality. Plenty of eye candy to be had around those shit games. I'd still rather get rid of the shit, but to suggest there aren't any good games during that time is laughable.

I knew this would be your answer ... you simply lump all the SEC OOC into the shit category, but the minute anyone points out to you that you play patsies, too, you jump to the "not all our games are patsies" defense. Guess what? The SEC actually plays alot of good OOC games. I am not going to take the time to look it all up, but we know they play GaTech, FSU, Clemson and Louisville annually. This year we also play West Virginia, TexasTech, Kansas State, Clemson, Wisconsin, Indiana and others. So, no, not all the early season games for the SEC are patsies. To suggest there aren't any good OOC games in the SEC is laughable.