The PAC12 THREAD v.2

[7Samurai13]

Am I the only one who thinks that the SEC is going to go to 7 conference games before they go to 9 because they have to protect their near by FCS and SunBelt schools?

 

[WizardHawk]

So when do most SEC teams start playing more than one quality OOC game? There are a few exceptions but most play one middle tier, major conference opponent and act like it is great and should be applauded but state that if they add one more conference game that they can;t lose their games against eastern central south tennessee school for the paraplegics because it would cause the school to fold, so the major conference game would be the one dropped.

And they won't take the risk of not having either a neutral or home field advantage and still tell us they don't need to. I don't recall too many Pac teams forcing other teams into home/neutral arraignments.

I mean if they are as great as they keep telling everyone then why are they too afraid to go prove it on someone else's field?

#smokeandmirrors

 

[7Samurai13]

And they won't take the risk of not having either a neutral or home field advantage and still tell us they don't need to. I don't recall too many Pac teams forcing other teams into home/neutral arraignments.

I mean if they are as great as they keep telling everyone then why are they too afraid to go prove it on someone else's field?

#smokeandmirrors

Preaching to the choir. Alabama just backed out of home and home with Michigan State because they don't want to play road games. Oh I mean "Uncertainty with the 9 game conference schedule right after it was voted down 13-1" because that was going to happen. They had no other OOC games scheduled for those years and right after they dropped the games, they started hunting for neutral site games.

 

[4down20]

There is a war going on about positioning for the playoffs. If the SEC is successful at putting two in the top 4 with an 8 game schedule you can bet it will FORCE the others to drop that 9th game. I mean we all know why the SEC does it. They want to push as close to the Boise State model as they can. 3-4 shit OOC games and knowing they will face at least 4 easy conference games and your whole season boils down to 4-5 games you have to focus on to reach the playoffs. Sure, Boise State only had 1 or 2 quality games a year, but the SEC pushes as hard as it can to reach down to that level. And they are looking to drag every other conference right along with them.

What the fuck are you smoking?

You act like the SEC as a conference is a cake walk, and the only thing that matters is the OOC schedule?

And you want to attribute that to being similar to Boise St?

 

[7Samurai13]

What the fuck are you smoking?

You act like the SEC as a conference is a cake walk, and the only thing that matters is the OOC schedule?

And you want to attribute that to being similar to Boise St?

Just like every other conference, half of the teams in the conference are cupcakes, but SEC fans try and pimp out Ole Miss and Miss St like they are national title contenders.

 

[Codaxx]

From a fans perspective I'd love that. Just one game out of conference and have that be against another BCS school.

What's the point of having conferences if you keep making more excuses to play less of the teams within it?

So write the fine folks of the SEC and tell them to get on it and start moving toward 11, because there is zero chance the other conferences are going to do it without all of them going toward it. Maybe start with your own conference.


You do know this is a thread about an article where several of the Pac coaches were discussing this right? So that's not fans or media, that's institutional. I mean obviously the media asked the questions and made something bigger out of it than the coaches were saying, but this is still about what those inside college football think about the fairness of the current model.

There is a war going on about positioning for the playoffs. If the SEC is successful at putting two in the top 4 with an 8 game schedule you can bet it will FORCE the others to drop that 9th game. I mean we all know why the SEC does it. They want to push as close to the Boise State model as they can. 3-4 shit OOC games and knowing they will face at least 4 easy conference games and your whole season boils down to 4-5 games you have to focus on to reach the playoffs. Sure, Boise State only had 1 or 2 quality games a year, but the SEC pushes as hard as it can to reach down to that level. And they are looking to drag every other conference right along with them.

I understand the positioning, I am simply stating the reason why it is accepted. Great to try to position yourself/conference by framing the argument, but it is meaningless until real action is taken. Pac has no power over this issue. This is just rhetoric. If the committee shows they care about things like SOS, than you will see change. Right now the Pac is just some old man writing letters to his Congress man with the Weather Channel blaring in the background.

 

[WizardHawk]

What the fuck are you smoking?

You act like the SEC as a conference is a cake walk, and the only thing that matters is the OOC schedule?

And you want to attribute that to being similar to Boise St?

Your conference attempts to tell us every year how much better they are as a whole than everyone else while guaranteeing that half the teams get one less loss than the conferences that play 9 AND increasing your odds of other wins by scheduling cupcakes the week before big games and scheduling tougher competition on a neutral field instead of taking real risk playing on another teams field.

So I ask you again, if your conference is so great why the need to artificially bump it up with smoke and mirrors?

 

[4down20]

Just like every other conference, half of the teams in the conference are cupcakes, but SEC fans try and pimp out Ole Miss and Miss St like they are national title contenders.

Yeah, all the conferences often have 5 top 10 teams in the rankings.

Ole Miss and Miss St are both SEC west teams and I rarely hear anyone mention them. Considering the other SEC west teams are: Alabama, LSU, Auburn, Texas A&M and Arkansas(top10 often until recently). The 2 teams you are mentioning are the bottom 2 SEC West teams, not the middle. And still they manage to win decent games, like Ole Miss beating Texas last year.

Tell you guys what. I will be more than happy to go team by team with the SEC vs any conference and lets see which conference is the deepest. But nobody will want to do that because it's much easier to just say "9 is more than 8, so obviously better".

This topic is a joke and the acme of pettiness.

 

[4down20]

Your conference attempts to tell us every year how much better they are as a whole than everyone else while guaranteeing that half the teams get one less loss than the conferences that play 9 AND increasing your odds of other wins by scheduling cupcakes the week before big games and scheduling tougher competition on a neutral field instead of taking real risk playing on another teams field.

So I ask you again, if your conference is so great why the need to artificially bump it up with smoke and mirrors?

The SEC doesn't tell you every year. The people who vote tell you that every year when they put 5 SEC teams in the top10.

If you think it's all about that 1 extra game and still the Pac12 schedules 1 more, then the Pac12 is run by a bunch of dumb asses.

And btw, as for scheduling cupcakes before big games - as a whole in the conference, the same amount of wins and losses happen either way, so wtf does it matter. Both teams play an easy game before a big game to have more prep time. Big deal. 1 minute you are arguing about game quality, now you are upset because what?

Meanwhile, the only reason the SEC has those games late in the year is because the SEC plays tough games right out of the gate rather than playing the cupcakes the 1st 4 weeks.

 

[Bandwagonbo2]

And still the lone voice of reason in the SEC is who? thats right

So lets not pretend that Alabama is mixed into this argument on the nine game schedule. Bama will play the ninth game willingly at any point the rest of the coaches can be talked into doing so.

 

[WizardHawk]

It's not just that 9th game, but it's obvious you won't address the rest of it.

No one is saying the SEC IC is a cakewalk. What we did say is if you compare what the other conferences do they have more risk in their setups so some of what makes your claims about better outcomes valid is due to that and not how much better they actually are. It's smoke and mirrors.

 

[mrwallace2ku]

Tell you guys what. I will be more than happy to go team by team with the SEC vs any conference and lets see which conference is the deepest. But nobody will want to do that because it's much easier to just say "9 is more than 8, so obviously better".

Will this include ALL the games the Pac played down south and the handful of times the SEC played out west?

Your data, except for winning% @ home, means nothing when the SEC don't travel 420. Would be interesting to see the SEC OOC home data versus the SEC OOC away data noting who they played @ home versus who they played on the road tho.

 

[7Samurai13]

And still the lone voice of reason in the SEC is who? thats rightView attachment 9803

So lets not pretend that Alabama is mixed into this argument on the nine game schedule. Bama will play the ninth game willingly at any point the rest of the coaches can be talked into doing so.

Yeah they just drop games against other conference's top teams.

Yes yes yes, go back to the Alabama war cry against michigan state of 49-7. Got it.

 

[WizardHawk]

And still the lone voice of reason in the SEC is who? thats rightView attachment 9803

So lets not pretend that Alabama is mixed into this argument on the nine game schedule. Bama will play the ninth game willingly at any point the rest of the coaches can be talked into doing so.

And I applaud him for it and hope his influence wins the day at some point. We have all also given major props to LSU for having the balls to travel and play anyone on the road.

 

[Codaxx]

The SEC doesn't tell you every year. The people who vote tell you that every year when they put 5 SEC teams in the top10.

If you think it's all about that 1 extra game and still the Pac12 schedules 1 more, then the Pac12 is run by a bunch of dumb asses.

And btw, as for scheduling cupcakes before big games - as a whole in the conference, the same amount of wins and losses happen either way, so wtf does it matter. Both teams play an easy game before a big game to have more prep time. Big deal. 1 minute you are arguing about game quality, now you are upset because what?

Meanwhile, the only reason the SEC has those games late in the year is because the SEC plays tough games right out of the gate rather than playing the cupcakes the 1st 4 weeks.

I know it was 3 last year, maybe you mean preseason. Either way it is a bit of folly. Large league size means you will only 8 of the 13 possible teams, so the term "SEC schedule" can mean a lot of different things. For some it is a gauntlet and for others it sets up very nicely for a run.

 

[4down20]

It's not just that 9th game, but it's obvious you won't address the rest of it.

No one is saying the SEC IC is a cakewalk. What we did say is if you compare what the other conferences do they have more risk in their setups so some of what makes your claims about better outcomes valid is due to that and not how much better they actually are. It's smoke and mirrors.

So you think because the SEC has a potential for 7 extra wins as a conference per year by playing 1 less conference game, it's all smoke and mirrors?



It ain't got shit to do with risk. It has to do with getting extra home games for money.

I'd love to see higher quality OOC in general from all conferences. But more conference games doesn't give that, it gives less chance for it. As I stated already, step 1 is stopping the FCS games from being bowl eligible so people stop scheduling it.

 

[Bandwagonbo2]

Yeah they just drop games against other conference's top teams.

Yes yes yes, go back to the Alabama war cry against michigan state of 49-7. Got it.

What other top teams you referring to? Oklahoma in a bowl game, maybe Utah from a couple of years ago in Nicks second season as coach? Please enlighten us all to the horrendous amount of losses Bama has had at the hand of other conferences top teams recently...I will wait.

 

[4down20]

I know it was 3 last year, maybe you mean preseason. Either way it is a bit of folly. Large league size means you will only 8 of the 13 possible teams, so the term "SEC schedule" can mean a lot of different things. For some it is a gauntlet and for others it sets up very nicely for a run.

I agree, I hate conference expansion.

 

[7Samurai13]

What other top teams you referring to? Oklahoma in a bowl game, maybe Utah from a couple of years ago in Nicks second season as coach? Please enlighten us all to the horrendous amount of losses Bama has had at the hand of other conferences top teams recently...I will wait.

Drop as in cancel games.

 

[NDHoosier101]

Stay at eight games, that's cool. But staph scheduling FCS schools. Have your conference season start later, schedule your tune up Sun Belt/Conference USA team weeks one or two, and everything will be right in the world.