The PAC12 THREAD v.2

[trojanfight]

what 'big dog' in the SEC hasn't played a road OOC game in the last couple years?

pretty sure its alabama who has played something like 3 OOC "true road games" in the last 10 years. i don't consider these neutral site games to be road games. like this season alabama plays west virginia @ atlanta...not a road game.

 

[The Crimson King]

Slow poster is slow.

 

[WizardHawk]

You keep repeating the OOC crapiness of SEC schedules as if the more you say it the more you think it will be true. In fact, most all BCS schools play one BCS team OOC, and then 2 or 3 weak teams (the 2 or 3 being whether they play 8 or 9 IC games). Any that play 3 tough BCS OOC are outliers and it doesn't happen often for the same team. Some schedule 2 difficult BCS OOC teams ... my team has done this of late, but I fear our current AD will move away from that.

I truly think that thing rustles your Jimmies is that we have the extra OOC that is typically a lesser team, and the November bye week (which is countered, in my opinion, by the preseason you guys get while the SEC teams are playing some IC games in week 1). I'd prefer the preseason to work out the kinks than to have to play the likes of Clempson and USCe in the first 3 weeks of the season.

I didn't create this thread or call out others. So yeah.

Before 2009 I think it was UW had never played a FCS team in its history. We were told that's the way things are going and that they are copying the SEC model. Maybe that was Sark's excuse, but that's what we were told. Hated it then and hate it now. I don't want to see eastern wa. Just don't. As long as the big SEC teams are playing teams way worse and still getting rewarded with big time bowl bids others are going to do it as well. Just a fact. It's one thing to play a san jose state where at least they have full scholarship players and decent facilities even if they are sub par. It's entirely another to play some of those really low level schools that barely field a team. It should be outlawed for all BCS teams. It used to be penalized in the Pac so no one did it. Go back to that. Want to help the poor schools? Donate to them, don't beat them up for cash.

As for the late season bye/cupcake I'd rather see all of the OOC's when it's still early enough that school isn't in session and most of the students aren't even on campus yet and leave the IC's for those big student sections. Opening against a tough team is fair for both. No need to hide from it. If you are good you will win those. If not you get forgiven for them.

 

[WizardHawk]

pretty sure its alabama who has played something like 3 OOC "true road games" in the last 10 years. i don't consider these neutral site games to be road games. like this season alabama plays west virginia @ atlanta...not a road game.

Yeah, and the problem with it is the other conferences are copying them more and more. That's why it bothers me. Not that I give a shit about the SEC and their pansy ideas about scheduling, but that ours tries to copy them and we end up with terrible schedules like the one we have this year. It's an embarrassment for ANY BCS team to play a FCS level team. EVER. PERIOD.

 

[4down20]

Auburn sucks.

I can never not thumbs up this.

 

[trojanfight]

i think the more coaches mention this in the media it will force NCAA to look at it. Saban and other sec coaches questioned the hurry up offenses and the NCAA looked at it briefly. Im sure some of the big 12 coaches will have a few things to say about it. The B1G will go to 9 games in 2016. the acc is up in the air on it but could also go to 9. doesn't go well for the SEC to be potentially only conference with 8 games. realistically i don't see them doing it unless NCAA says they have to. it part of the formula that has helped them with the championship run.

like Mike Leach said its a very clever move on sec's part. a vote on sports nation shows 70 percent of roughly 18000 fans who voted think it should be 9 games vs 8.

 

[4down20]

If we are talking averages most Pac teams play a high profile OOC team, a so-so, and a cupcake. Most SEC teams play maybe one high profile and 3 cupcakes. It isn't universal. There are teams that have no great games and the odd two good games. We have some pac teams like Stanford and USC that often have two outstanding ooc because they play ND and someone else good. We are talking overall averages.

This is such a Boise St argument.

There are more than 4 games in a year, the OOC schedule is only 30% of the schedule.

 

[outofyourmind]

So, if it's all about 'Conference', and 9 conference games are better than 8 conference games, why not play 11 conference games in the PAC.


You know, because that would be best.

 

[socaljim242]

I usually like all the new Oregon stuff and no one should try to be Oregon light . But I gotta go with Husky fans on this one. The Husky court looks great with the skyline. The trees dont even look good in an over head shot on the Oregon court .I can imagine the mess it looks like when you see it at a lower level.

 

[charlie42s]

6 pages and nobody states why the PAC coaches are complaining? It's about positioning for the 4 playoff spots. The PAC is attempting to get the committee to notice that the SEC plays a 'soft' schedule.

Every team in the SEC plays a FCS team. Most play 2 to 3 cupcakes and 1(some don't) quality OOC game. Florida, Georgia and LSU are the 3 that do play the better OOC schedules when compared to the rest of the SEC.

The PAC coaches are just trying to get the playoff committee members to be aware. I doubt it will work, especially since most SOS ranking systems ignore FCS teams.

 

[WhiteMamba]

6 pages and nobody states why the PAC coaches are complaining? It's about positioning for the 4 playoff spots. The PAC is attempting to get the committee to notice that the SEC plays a 'soft' schedule.

Every team in the SEC plays a FCS team. Most play 2 to 3 cupcakes and 1(some don't) quality OOC game. Florida, Georgia and LSU are the 3 that do play the better OOC schedules when compared to the rest of the SEC.

The PAC coaches are just trying to get the playoff committee members to be aware. I doubt it will work, especially since most SOS ranking systems ignore FCS teams.

lol. You are rigt. I thought it was too obvious to mention and also felt if I mentioned it, that it would come off as duuuh. Maybe not with some of these dolts.

 

[Codaxx]

This is created by fans and the media. Let me know when someone is going to truly get rewarded for playing a tough OOC. It sounds great. Fans love it, but what does it really do? Not like a team with the #1 SOS with 1-2 losses will jump an undefeated to 1 loss BCS team. Half of these arguments come down to your helmet and history. You just can not bitch until you are able to say a 2 loss team is better than a 1 loss team. It is concept most have issues with.

 

[WhiteMamba]

This is created by fans and the media. Let me know when someone is going to truly get rewarded for playing a tough OOC. It sounds great. Fans love it, but what does it really do? Not like a team with the #1 SOS with 1-2 losses will jump an undefeated to 1 loss BCS team. Half of these arguments come down to your helmet and history. You just can not bitch until you are able to say a 2 loss team is better than a 1 loss team. It is concept most have issues with.

very BCS thinking of you codaxx. Remember, we are in a new era of CFB where the CFP will assure us that SOS and OOC will matter..... Says the committee....

:hint of sarcasm:

 

[7Samurai13]

i agree, but now that they're locked into 9 conference games they will not play more than one quality OOC game. except rare exceptions

So when do most SEC teams start playing more than one quality OOC game? There are a few exceptions but most play one middle tier, major conference opponent and act like it is great and should be applauded but state that if they add one more conference game that they can;t lose their games against eastern central south tennessee school for the paraplegics because it would cause the school to fold, so the major conference game would be the one dropped.

 

[mrwallace2ku]

I like LSU, ONLY team worthy of SEC OOC discussion, the rest are weak-n-worthless. Play a 9 game IC sched or STFU!

 

[Codaxx]

very BCS thinking of you codaxx. Remember, we are in a new era of CFB where the CFP will assure us that SOS and OOC will matter..... Says the committee....

:hint of sarcasm:

All true and why I want to see a larger playoff. The larger the playoff the less the influence of the selection committee will have on the outcome.

 

[Used 2 B Hu]

 

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[WizardHawk]

So, if it's all about 'Conference', and 9 conference games are better than 8 conference games, why not play 11 conference games in the PAC.


You know, because that would be best.

From a fans perspective I'd love that. Just one game out of conference and have that be against another BCS school.

What's the point of having conferences if you keep making more excuses to play less of the teams within it?

So write the fine folks of the SEC and tell them to get on it and start moving toward 11, because there is zero chance the other conferences are going to do it without all of them going toward it. Maybe start with your own conference.

This is created by fans and the media. Let me know when someone is going to truly get rewarded for playing a tough OOC. It sounds great. Fans love it, but what does it really do? Not like a team with the #1 SOS with 1-2 losses will jump an undefeated to 1 loss BCS team. Half of these arguments come down to your helmet and history. You just can not bitch until you are able to say a 2 loss team is better than a 1 loss team. It is concept most have issues with.

You do know this is a thread about an article where several of the Pac coaches were discussing this right? So that's not fans or media, that's institutional. I mean obviously the media asked the questions and made something bigger out of it than the coaches were saying, but this is still about what those inside college football think about the fairness of the current model.

There is a war going on about positioning for the playoffs. If the SEC is successful at putting two in the top 4 with an 8 game schedule you can bet it will FORCE the others to drop that 9th game. I mean we all know why the SEC does it. They want to push as close to the Boise State model as they can. 3-4 shit OOC games and knowing they will face at least 4 easy conference games and your whole season boils down to 4-5 games you have to focus on to reach the playoffs. Sure, Boise State only had 1 or 2 quality games a year, but the SEC pushes as hard as it can to reach down to that level. And they are looking to drag every other conference right along with them.