THE PAC 12 THREAD v.5

[socaljim242]

Well you can only win player of the week so many times when you have essentially two Heisman award winners competing with your average team every week...obviously Darnold is better but Mariota and McCaffery have more to do with Falk not having more.

'I'm just messing with you . I know Falks a great QB. Darnold was money but it helped a lot that the USC receivers caught everything he threw.

 

[TheDayMan]

Very interesting discussion going on here and it affects the PAC 12

Could Oregon still land Chip Kelly?

It's funny cuz you're serious.

 

[TheDayMan]

First freshman to win it. Guess that answers what PAC QB is the best coming back next season. lol
USC’s Sam Darnold Wins Archie Griffin Award As 2016 CFB MVP

Was it really a question?

 

[socaljim242]

Was it really a question?

Some would say Browning.

 

[TheDayMan]

Some would say Browning.

Who? I would have argued Browning earlier in the year, not now. I'm still thrilled to have Browning, and think he'll keep getting better, but if the question is 'who's the best QB in the Pac 12 right now?' There's not much room for debate.

 

[socaljim242]

Who? I would have argued Browning earlier in the year, not now. I'm still thrilled to have Browning, and think he'll keep getting better, but if the question is 'who's the best QB in the Pac 12 right now?' There's not much room for debate.

Whats funny is when Darnold got to USC they had not only Five star Browne ,they had Five star Ricky Towne. Word is after two weeks of practice Towne transferred because of Darnold not Browne.

 

[TheDayMan]

Whats funny is when Darnold got to USC they had not only Five star Browne ,they had Five star Ricky Towne. Word is after two weeks of practice Towne transferred because of Darnold not Browne.

When guys are bailing because of a freshman, you know you've got something good.

 

[socaljim242]

When guys are bailing because of a freshman, you know you've got something good.

Well hopefully these QBs and how the teams ( USC , Wash) played gets us some good recruits later this month. We need to separate from the PAC .lol. Since they don't play during the regular season it would be cool for USC and the Huskys to meet in the CCG

 

[trojanfan12]

B) - Fans, (normal Oregon fans) have already been pumping their chests with what little Willie is preaching already

 

[jon2tanman]

Oregon could hire Bill Walsh and still wouldn't have the success they have had over recent years. A product of sanctions to UW and USC is how this shit storm started.

 

[socaljim242]

Oregon could hire Bill Walsh and still wouldn't have the success they have had over recent years. A product of sanctions to UW and USC is how this shit storm started.

Add to that the different scheme that Chip brought. It was something new and and it was genius because it was something that was impossible to stop. But it's now something that doesn't catch anyone by surprise. Teams learned how to play against it and Oregon realized what it did to their own defense. They could hire Chip back and they wouldnt have the same success .

 

[Olyduck]

Oregon could hire Bill Walsh and still wouldn't have the success they have had over recent years. A product of sanctions to UW and USC is how this shit storm started.

when was Washington on sanctions? I always attributed it to Willingham

 

[Olyduck]

Add to that the different scheme that Chip brought. It was something new and and it was genius because it was something that was impossible to stop. But it's now something that doesn't catch anyone by surprise. Teams learned how to play against it and Oregon realized what it did to their own defense. They could hire Chip back and they wouldnt have the same success .

meh sort of. Its hard to say what would have happened if Chip stayed and Alliotti leaving hurt the defense too. Kelly might have made a better hire than Helfrich promoting Pellum.

 

[Olyduck]

by the way Darren Carrington is returning to Oregon.

 

[socaljim242]

meh sort of. Its hard to say what would have happened if Chip stayed and Alliotti leaving hurt the defense too. Kelly might have made a better hire than Helfrich promoting Pellum.

It's just hard to recapture the Magic. It's the same as USC fans wishing Pete would come back. Things don't always go like you think they will. Time to move on.

 

[socaljim242]

It seems like most know what Jrs are going to declare for the draft. Still nothing from Adoree and Juju. I think the longer the better. Means they are seriously thinking about coming back. They would say something if they have made up their minds.
Cameron Smith is going to be suspended for the first half of USCs first game for the targeting penalty in the Rose bowl game. Thats kinda harsh. you already kicked him out of the rest of that bowl game.

 

[trojanfan12]

meh sort of. Its hard to say what would have happened if Chip stayed and Alliotti leaving hurt the defense too. Kelly might have made a better hire than Helfrich promoting Pellum.

2nd bites at the apple rarely work out. In his first stint at USC, John Robinson went 67-14-2. Won a national championship, 3 PAC titles outright, 3 Rose Bowls and had a Heisman Trophy winner. His teams never finished ranked lower than #15 in the nation.

In his 2nd stint, he went 37-21-2 with 0 National Championships, 2 shared PAC titles and 1 Rose Bowl win. His teams never finished higher than 12th and went 12-11 in his last 2 seasons.

As @socaljim242 pointed out, it's very difficult to recapture that magic. The game changes and teams are more prepared for what that particular coach brings.

 

[TheLonestarDUCK]

2nd bites at the apple rarely work out. In his first stint at USC, John Robinson went 67-14-2. Won a national championship, 3 PAC titles outright, 3 Rose Bowls and had a Heisman Trophy winner. His teams never finished ranked lower than #15 in the nation.

In his 2nd stint, he went 37-21-2 with 0 National Championships, 2 shared PAC titles and 1 Rose Bowl win. His teams never finished higher than 12th and went 12-11 in his last 2 seasons.

As @socaljim242 pointed out, it's very difficult to recapture that magic. The game changes and teams are more prepared for what that particular coach brings.

This ^^^^^^^ Oregon will stay the course. Oregon may hire Chip as a consultant but even that I think is a long shot.

OD is just hyper about Chip all fan bases have them. The Washington honks thought Browning was better than Mariotta for petes sake.

 

[socaljim242]

when was Washington on sanctions? I always attributed it to Willingham

Willingham was worse than sanctions. lol

 

[trojanfan12]

It seems like most know what Jrs are going to declare for the draft. Still nothing from Adoree and Juju. I think the longer the better. Means they are seriously thinking about coming back. They would say something if they have made up their minds.
Cameron Smith is going to be suspended for the first half of USCs first game for the targeting penalty in the Rose bowl game. Thats kinda harsh. you already kicked him out of the rest of that bowl game.

I read an article today predicting that both Juju and Adoree will leave for the NFL. Although, the author did point out that Adoree is likely to be a 2nd day selection. He said that the injury he suffered in the Rose Bowl and his lack of interest in track this year seem to indicate he will leave.

Imo, the only reason for Adoree to not declare would be if the NFL is looking to draft him to play offense. He may decide to come back for a bigger role on offense next year to showcase those talents. His lack of interest in track could be to dedicate himself entirely to football and improve his stock for the next draft.

However, I think he leaves.

According to the article, Juju has made comments that sound like he's looking to leave, which is strange because the only quotes I've seen attributed to him say that he will follow Adoree's lead. He looks to be a 1st round pick and there really isn't much reason for him to come back. He's battled injuries this year and last. There isn't really much left for him to develop or prove at the college level.

I think he leaves. If you're going to battle injuries, might as well get paid for it.

Damien Mama should stay. If he declares, he'll be a late pick and he needs more time in the weight room to slim down some more and raise his stock.

Chris Hawkins should also stay. He would be a very late pick or possibly even go undrafted. He can help himself by returning and having a solid season next year.

Now watch Adoree and Juju stay while Hawkins and Mama declare. lol