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[shopson67]

His agent im sure starts high with a price knowing you will have to come down. 18m long term 4-5 years is probably more realistic.

So, you think he's worth more than Palmer, Dalton, Stafford?

 

[27mtrcougar]

So, you think he's worth more than Palmer, Dalton, Stafford?

So, you think he's worth more than Palmer, Dalton, Stafford?

That would put him pretty much even with those guys as far as pay goes. Usually how it works when you get a new contract. All three of those guys you listed have an elite WR. Something Sam's never had.

 

[shopson67]

Something Sam's never had.

Along with playoff experience, winning records, long periods of health, etc.

 

[27mtrcougar]

Along with playoff experience, winning records, long periods of health, etc.

Well having Elite WR's, TE's etc just might help in accomplishing some of those things. And I don't think Dalton or Stafford have done much in the playoffs.

 

[Smed55]

Well having Elite WR's, TE's etc just might help in accomplishing some of those things. And I don't think Dalton or Stafford have done much in the playoffs.

At least they have sniffed the playoffs, kind of hard to do anything let alone much, if you're not even getting to the playoffs like your boy "doesn't"

 

[Rambunctious]

Sam's had probably some of the worst luck ever

Really? So the next time I earn 25 million dollars sitting on my butt on my couch with my knee wrapped up as I drink Pina Colladas and play video games all day long I will call it bad luck

 

[Smed55]

Imo injuries are just an unfortunate part of the game. And out of that players control. So you shouldn't hold that against a player. You have to admit Sam's had probably some of the worst luck ever. You and Smed forget he played every game as a rookie on A terrible team and won rookie of the year.

That's ok Coug, keep valuing his career on his ROY! I and others have already made the comment that he didn't really have that much competition for ROy that year, and usually the QB is going to get it over any other rookie, if he has a decent year.

And since his amazing rookie year, there have been a lot of other QBs that have come into the league and had as good and better rookie years than he did. Also a ton of QB have entered the league since he has and there have been alot of these QBs that have had better years than Sammie EVER has had, and a lot of these guys have been on just as bad if not worse teams than your boy!

 

[Smed55]

It finally makes sense, Coug is either on Spice or Mushrooms? Ive been saying this for years!

Ben on Bradford (Audio)

 

[Smed55]

Here you go Coug, another story as why Bradford was so sought after in 2010, he wouldn't have necessarily been number 1 pick in 2009 or 2011, just deal with the truth! Rams would have been better off holding off one more year to get their QB, at least there would have been options and for a buttload less money! I will go along with his "smarts" comments though, he sure took it to the Rams!

Sam Bradford's gutsy decision 5 years ago has made him an insane amount of money

By Cork Gaines March 12, 2015 3:35 PM


Philadelphia Eagles and St. Louis Rams shocked the NFL world by trading quarterbacks Sam Bradford and Nick Foles along with draft picks.


While Bradford hasn't won many games on the field, that hasn't stopped him from making a ton of money in his still-young career.

In just five years in the NFL, Bradford already has $65.1 million in career earnings, even though his teams have won just 18 games with him as a starter. But Bradford would have never made that much money if not for a brilliant decision he made while in college.

After injuring his shoulder in the third game of his junior season at Oklahoma, Bradford chose to have season-ending surgery. He then declared himself eligible for the 2010 draft before he even had surgery, and was eventually taken by the Rams with the first pick.

Even though Bradford was taking a risk (teams could have easily been scared away by his injured shoulder), the move proved to be brilliant and fortuitous for two reasons:

The 2010 NFL draft was absurdly weak in quarterback talent

If a team was looking for a franchise quarterback, Bradford was really the only choice, even if he wasn't a great option.

Check out the names of the next nine quarterbacks taken in the draft: Tim Tebow, Jimmy Clausen, Colt McCoy, Mike Kafka, John Skelton, Jonathan Crompton, Rusty Smith, Dan LeFevour, and Tony Pike. Of those, only Clausen and McCoy are still in the NFL, and neither of them are starters.

If Bradford had returned for his senior year, he would have been in the much deeper 2011 draft, which included Cam Newton, Jake Locker, Christian Ponder, Andy Dalton, and Colin Kaepernick.

The 2010 NFL Draft was the last draft before the 2011 CBA put limits on rookie salaries

Bradford signed an enormous six-year, $78 million contract, with $50 million guaranteed, before he ever played a down in the NFL. A year later, under the new collective-bargaining agreement, Cam Newton was the top pick and signed a four-year, $22 million contract (all guaranteed).

Of course it would have been even less than that for Bradford who almost certainly would not have been the top pick in 2011. Blaine Gabbert, who was the 10th pick of the 2011 draft, signed a four-year, $12 million contract. Bradford will have made more than $78.0 million by the end of the 2015 season, his sixth in the NFL.

chose to skip the 2009 draft and return to Oklahoma for his junior year.

The 2009 draft was not as deep as 2011. But the first round did include Matthew Stafford, Mark Sanchez, and Josh Freeman. As the 17th pick of the first round, Freeman signed a five-year, $26 million contract and made just $17.8 million in his first four seasons.

 

[27mtrcougar]

It finally makes sense, Coug is either on Spice or Mushrooms? Ive been saying this for years!

Ben on Bradford (Audio)

That's just a shock jock who doesn't have a clue. People forget he didn't play for almost 2 years coming into last season. gez wonder why he started out slow? Sam said his knee was still hurting the first month. Not to mention new everything. Better look at his stats the last 7 games.

 

[27mtrcougar]

Here you go Coug, another story as why Bradford was so sought after in 2010, he wouldn't have necessarily been number 1 pick in 2009 or 2011, just deal with the truth! Rams would have been better off holding off one more year to get their QB, at least there would have been options and for a buttload less money! I will go along with his "smarts" comments though, he sure took it to the Rams!

Sam Bradford's gutsy decision 5 years ago has made him an insane amount of money
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By Cork Gaines March 12, 2015 3:35 PM


Philadelphia Eagles and St. Louis Rams shocked the NFL world by trading quarterbacks Sam Bradford and Nick Foles along with draft picks.


While Bradford hasn't won many games on the field, that hasn't stopped him from making a ton of money in his still-young career.

In just five years in the NFL, Bradford already has $65.1 million in career earnings, even though his teams have won just 18 games with him as a starter. But Bradford would have never made that much money if not for a brilliant decision he made while in college.

After injuring his shoulder in the third game of his junior season at Oklahoma, Bradford chose to have season-ending surgery. He then declared himself eligible for the 2010 draft before he even had surgery, and was eventually taken by the Rams with the first pick.

Even though Bradford was taking a risk (teams could have easily been scared away by his injured shoulder), the move proved to be brilliant and fortuitous for two reasons:

The 2010 NFL draft was absurdly weak in quarterback talent

If a team was looking for a franchise quarterback, Bradford was really the only choice, even if he wasn't a great option.

Check out the names of the next nine quarterbacks taken in the draft: Tim Tebow, Jimmy Clausen, Colt McCoy, Mike Kafka, John Skelton, Jonathan Crompton, Rusty Smith, Dan LeFevour, and Tony Pike. Of those, only Clausen and McCoy are still in the NFL, and neither of them are starters.

If Bradford had returned for his senior year, he would have been in the much deeper 2011 draft, which included Cam Newton, Jake Locker, Christian Ponder, Andy Dalton, and Colin Kaepernick.

The 2010 NFL Draft was the last draft before the 2011 CBA put limits on rookie salaries

Bradford signed an enormous six-year, $78 million contract, with $50 million guaranteed, before he ever played a down in the NFL. A year later, under the new collective-bargaining agreement, Cam Newton was the top pick and signed a four-year, $22 million contract (all guaranteed).

Of course it would have been even less than that for Bradford who almost certainly would not have been the top pick in 2011. Blaine Gabbert, who was the 10th pick of the 2011 draft, signed a four-year, $12 million contract. Bradford will have made more than $78.0 million by the end of the 2015 season, his sixth in the NFL.

chose to skip the 2009 draft and return to Oklahoma for his junior year.

The 2009 draft was not as deep as 2011. But the first round did include Matthew Stafford, Mark Sanchez, and Josh Freeman. As the 17th pick of the first round, Freeman signed a five-year, $26 million contract and made just $17.8 million in his first four seasons.

Sam was rated higher then any of those guys coming out by a long shot! How could the Rams wait a year to get a QB? They have no idea where they will be drafting the next year??

 

[Vitamike]

Here you go Coug, another story as why Bradford was so sought after in 2010, he wouldn't have necessarily been number 1 pick in 2009 or 2011, just deal with the truth! Rams would have been better off holding off one more year to get their QB, at least there would have been options and for a buttload less money! I will go along with his "smarts" comments though, he sure took it to the Rams!

Sam Bradford's gutsy decision 5 years ago has made him an insane amount of money
View attachment 80024
By Cork Gaines March 12, 2015 3:35 PM


Philadelphia Eagles and St. Louis Rams shocked the NFL world by trading quarterbacks Sam Bradford and Nick Foles along with draft picks.


While Bradford hasn't won many games on the field, that hasn't stopped him from making a ton of money in his still-young career.

In just five years in the NFL, Bradford already has $65.1 million in career earnings, even though his teams have won just 18 games with him as a starter. But Bradford would have never made that much money if not for a brilliant decision he made while in college.

After injuring his shoulder in the third game of his junior season at Oklahoma, Bradford chose to have season-ending surgery. He then declared himself eligible for the 2010 draft before he even had surgery, and was eventually taken by the Rams with the first pick.

Even though Bradford was taking a risk (teams could have easily been scared away by his injured shoulder), the move proved to be brilliant and fortuitous for two reasons:

The 2010 NFL draft was absurdly weak in quarterback talent

If a team was looking for a franchise quarterback, Bradford was really the only choice, even if he wasn't a great option.

Check out the names of the next nine quarterbacks taken in the draft: Tim Tebow, Jimmy Clausen, Colt McCoy, Mike Kafka, John Skelton, Jonathan Crompton, Rusty Smith, Dan LeFevour, and Tony Pike. Of those, only Clausen and McCoy are still in the NFL, and neither of them are starters.

If Bradford had returned for his senior year, he would have been in the much deeper 2011 draft, which included Cam Newton, Jake Locker, Christian Ponder, Andy Dalton, and Colin Kaepernick.

The 2010 NFL Draft was the last draft before the 2011 CBA put limits on rookie salaries

Bradford signed an enormous six-year, $78 million contract, with $50 million guaranteed, before he ever played a down in the NFL. A year later, under the new collective-bargaining agreement, Cam Newton was the top pick and signed a four-year, $22 million contract (all guaranteed).

Of course it would have been even less than that for Bradford who almost certainly would not have been the top pick in 2011. Blaine Gabbert, who was the 10th pick of the 2011 draft, signed a four-year, $12 million contract. Bradford will have made more than $78.0 million by the end of the 2015 season, his sixth in the NFL.

chose to skip the 2009 draft and return to Oklahoma for his junior year.

The 2009 draft was not as deep as 2011. But the first round did include Matthew Stafford, Mark Sanchez, and Josh Freeman. As the 17th pick of the first round, Freeman signed a five-year, $26 million contract and made just $17.8 million in his first four seasons.

Just deal with the truth!

This is just a bunch of hindsight hooey Smed. These hindsight articles like the one you've posted here is just a bunch speculative crap.

And you're the guy giving grief to others over the validity of Pro Football Focus stats and calling this garbage 'the truth'.

Let's face it, the top picks or so for any team in the last year of the previous CBA (2010) was fools gold.
Every player in the top rounds of the 2010 draft basically cost teams involved more than double for the same caliber of player in 2011 drafted in the same spot.

We really couldn't trade out of the pick either. It's not the way it was done at that time because the cost of the top picks hit the cap too hard.

So it was really Bradford or Suh, pretty much.

Had we picked Suh, I don't think we pick up Quinn. Who knows, we probably don't pick up Fisher without Sam, and for all the griping about Fisher's .500 seasons, it was a far cry than what we got the previous 5 years.

I'll remind you all, the five years prior to Jeff Fisher's tenure, the Rams had the worst record over a 5 year period for ANY professional franchise OF ALL TIME for ANY team of the 4 major sports.

WORST OF ALL TIME!

And if we didn't get Jeff, I don't know who we would have chosen as our HC. Maybe we would have hired Joe Philbin. Joe took over a team that won it's division just 3 years prior to his hire and now he sits by waiting for his phone to ring.

That nasty defense we currently have, probably doesn't exist. Who knows, we might have a QB, but I don't know if AJ Feeley and Pat Shumur don't at least get enough wins in 2010 to screw us out of the No. 1 pick in 2011, and maybe we even end up past the tenth pick and miss on Gabbert, maybe we even miss out on Ponder to select as our Franchise QB.

Honestly, we don't even know if Sam comes in the running for his second Heisman, instead of the eventual winner in Cam Newton in 2010 either. Maybe Cam goes somewhere between 2-8 as the second QB drafted.

Sam was in a good system at OU and who knows how that plays out in 2010 if he stays. Especially with all the BS of pay for Cam going around, and Sam's clean cut image in college. Putting him behind Cam in the 2011 draft is pure speculation on the authors part.

You gotta love these pure speculation articles with these hindsight scenarios.

Might as well go to the corner liquor store on the bad side of town, and let this guy tell you all about it.

 

[Smed55]

Sam was rated higher then any of those guys coming out by a long shot! How could the Rams wait a year to get a QB? They have no idea where they will be drafting the next year??

Didn't mTter where they drafted, there would have been any QB there for a lot cheaper!

 

[Smed55]

Just deal with the truth!

This is just a bunch of hindsight hooey Smed. These hindsight articles like the one you've posted here is just a bunch speculative crap.

And you're the guy giving grief to others over the validity of Pro Football Focus stats and calling this garbage 'the truth'.


Let's face it, the top picks or so for any team in the last year of the previous CBA (2010) was fools gold.
Every player in the top rounds of the 2010 draft basically cost teams involved more than double for the same caliber of player in 2011 drafted in the same spot.

We really couldn't trade out of the pick either. It's not the way it was done at that time because the cost of the top picks hit the cap too hard.

So it was really Bradford or Suh, pretty much.

Had we picked Suh, I don't think we pick up Quinn. Who knows, we probably don't pick up Fisher without Sam, and for all the griping about Fisher's .500 seasons, it was a far cry than what we got the previous 5 years.

I'll remind you all, the five years prior to Jeff Fisher's tenure, the Rams had the worst record over a 5 year period for ANY professional franchise OF ALL TIME for ANY team of the 4 major sports.

WORST OF ALL TIME!

And if we didn't get Jeff, I don't know who we would have chosen as our HC. Maybe we would have hired Joe Philbin. Joe took over a team that won it's division just 3 years prior to his hire and now he sits by waiting for his phone to ring.

That nasty defense we currently have, probably doesn't exist. Who knows, we might have a QB, but I don't know if AJ Feeley and
Pat Shumur don't at least get enough wins in 2010 to screw us out of the No. 1 pick in 2011, and maybe we even end up past the tenth pick and miss on Gabbert, maybe we even miss out on Ponder to select as our Franchise QB.

Honestly, we don't even know if Sam comes in the running for his second Heisman, instead of the eventual winner in Cam Newton in 2010 either. Maybe Cam goes somewhere between 2-8 as the second QB drafted.

Sam was in a good system at OU and who knows how that plays out in 2010 if he stays. Especially with all the BS of pay for Cam going around, and Sam's clean cut image in college. Putting him behind Cam in the
2011 draft is pure speculation on the authors part.

You gotta love these pure speculation articles with these hindsight scenarios.

Might as well go to the corner liquor store on the bad side of town, and let this guy tell you all about it.

Hey Vita, I will throw any story out there that rips Sammie, it just offsets any garbage Coug throws out there! As far as us sucking, ya we did suck for 5 years, but it's still better than Detroit or Clevelands history of suckage! Somebody has to be the worst, and it's not us. And even if we did set a record for 5 years of suckage, does the past 5 years really offset any of that, we are still not even an average team, so
we still suck, just not as bad as we did!


This so called "garbage" is closer to the truth than anyone saying that Sammie is a great QB, this guy is saying he is average at best, now you can try and spin that any way you want to, but that is what Sammie is average, at best!

 

[Smed55]

That's just a shock jock who doesn't have a clue. People forget he didn't play for almost 2 years coming into last season. gez wonder why he started out slow? Sam said his knee was still hurting the first month. Not to mention new everything. Better look at his stats the last 7 games.

Your right Coug, he does it for a living, but doesn't have a clue, I guess he should have gone to you as a source!

 

[27mtrcougar]

Didn't mTter where they drafted, there would have been any QB there for a lot cheaper!

So you think a team in 2010 that is desperate for a QB and has the #1 pick with a guy coming out that was rated as high as sam is going to say gez guys we should wait for next year the Players won't cost as much. Come on my. like Vita said there were 2 choices and a team that needs a QB isn't going to pick a DT.

 

[27mtrcougar]

Hey Vita, I will throw any story out there that rips Sammie, it just offsets any garbage Coug throws out there! As far as us sucking, ya we did suck for 5 years, but it's still better than Detroit or Clevelands history of suckage! Somebody has to be the worst, and it's not us. And even if we did set a record for 5 years of suckage, does the past 5 years really offset any of that, we are still not even an average team, so
we still suck, just not as bad as we did!


This so called "garbage" is closer to the truth than anyone saying that Sammie is a great QB, this guy is saying he is average at best, now you can try and spin that any way you want to, but that is what Sammie is average, at best!

I just said he is an above avg QB in this leauge, not Elite. Just where PFF has him rated. But I think with the right weapons around him he could be really good.

 

[zeke2829]

It finally makes sense, Coug is either on Spice or Mushrooms? Ive been saying this for years!

Ben on Bradford (Audio)

I think he's drinking the BONG Water!

 

[27mtrcougar]

I think he's drinking the BONG Water!

Stop staring at me penguin.

 

[Smed55]

That's just a shock jock who doesn't have a clue. People forget he didn't play for almost 2 years coming into last season. gez wonder why he started out slow? Sam said his knee was still hurting the first month. Not to mention new everything. Better look at his stats the last 7 games.

Seriously Coug, you don't think that people who follow football know that Sammie has been hurt all the time? Again his last 7 games were filled with a lot of garbage time stats, and it's just 7 games! And like the article says, we are only going to count when he was good?
His last 8 games, he helped lead Philly to a 4-4 record, actually better than usual type Bradford! He lead them to 2 offensive TDs in 5 out of those 8 games! The Eagles were getting smoked in alot of the losses, so Sammie was putting up a lot of garbage stats. So, maybe you should look at how and why his stats were better? It's called garbage time for a reason!