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[27mtrcougar]

I'm sure Coug will disagree, but this list looks a lot more accurate than the PFF list. I would say most of these QBs on this list had a better year than Bradford, and it's reflected in this list, whereas the PFF list has Sammie ahead of everyone but 8 QB's, that's very unrealistic!

Sure Smed that list is real accurate... I guess we'll see if anyone signs Sam to a big contract?? Because according to your list no team in their right mind would sign someone to a multimillion dollar deal that was that bad right?? 31st in the leauge bad. Of course if he does sign a big deal maybe PFF is the more accurate list. And I'm guessing that's the case.

 

[SJ76]

Here you go Coug, the final QBR rankings for 2015. I'm sure you will dispute it, but QBR takes into consideration, a QB's oline, WR's, drops, spikes, throw aways, downs, field position, etc. So similar to your sacred PFF stats. The biggest difference is QBR is based on what actually happened, not like PFF which is a bunch of "if this or that happened, you could possibly expect this to happen"

1 Carson Palmer, ARI 101.3 2.6 -15.8 12.2 100.2 634 122.2 71.0 82.1
2 Ben Roethlisberger, PIT 74.7 1.5 -8.5 11.9 79.7 562 94.8 49.5 76.9
3 Drew Brees, NO 105.8 1.5 -17.2 4.0 94.1 742 121.0 61.2 75.5
4 Russell Wilson, SEA 85.4 17.9 -19.4 0.1 83.9 677 108.9 54.3 74.9
5 Andy Dalton, CIN 71.2 1.1 -10.2 3.7 65.7 510 78.6 37.4 73.1
6 Kirk Cousins, WSH 77.4 1.8 -11.9 3.2 70.5 656 93.8 40.9 70.1
7 Tyrod Taylor, BUF 56.0 21.4 -15.9 -2.8 58.7 566 76.6 31.0 67.8
8 Alex Smith, KC 52.8 21.2 -16.7 5.4 62.8 651 85.3 32.8 66.5
9 Cam Newton, CAR 70.4 17.5 -16.6 1.8 73.2 707 91.6 34.6 66.1
10 Aaron Rodgers, GB 62.9 17.0 -19.9 15.7 75.7 772 97.1 34.9 64.9
RK PLAYER PASS EPA RUN EPA SACK EPA PEN EPA TOTAL EPA ACT PLAYS QB PAR QB PAA TOTAL QBR
11 Tom Brady, NE 83.1 2.8 -20.4 6.9 72.5 760 94.4 33.1 64.4
12 Ryan Fitzpatrick, NYJ 59.7 11.8 -8.4 3.8 66.9 689 83.9 28.3 63.6
13 Teddy Bridgewater, MIN 55.9 11.4 -21.2 10.2 56.3 590 70.1 22.5 62.7
14 Matthew Stafford, DET 72.6 6.8 -19.0 6.4 66.8 730 86.5 27.7 62.6
15 Matt Ryan, ATL 88.8 -1.7 -18.9 3.7 72.0 740 85.8 26.1 61.8
16 Marcus Mariota, TEN 42.7 11.2 -18.8 8.0 43.0 495 56.2 16.3 61.0
17 Jay Cutler, CHI 63.8 8.1 -20.3 7.0 58.7 605 68.0 19.3 60.7
18 Eli Manning, NYG 74.8 -2.1 -15.6 8.3 65.3 730 81.6 22.8 60.5
19 Brian Hoyer, HOU 41.8 2.6 -11.9 0.2 32.9 445 48.6 12.7 59.6
20 Philip Rivers, SD 86.2 -0.4 -20.4 4.7 70.1 812 88.2 22.8 59.4
RK PLAYER PASS EPA RUN EPA SACK EPA PEN EPA TOTAL EPA ACT PLAYS QB PAR QB PAA TOTAL QBR
21 Jameis Winston, TB 52.4 12.0 -13.8 3.7 54.4 698 74.2 17.9 58.6
22 Josh McCown, CLE 39.9 1.9 -15.7 3.8 29.9 386 35.6 4.4 53.9
23 Derek Carr, OAK 57.8 0.6 -17.6 4.8 45.6 704 55.2 -1.6 49.2
24 Brock Osweiler, DEN 32.2 1.6 -13.7 0.8 20.9 343 26.4 -1.2 48.8
25 Andrew Luck, IND 15.9 8.5 -5.1 -0.7 18.7 368 27.0 -2.6 47.6
26 Colin Kaepernick, SF 14.7 8.5 -7.9 1.4 16.8 347 25.1 -2.9 47.1
27 Blake Bortles, JAX 60.5 9.1 -33.1 5.1 41.5 763 53.4 -8.1 46.4
28 Peyton Manning, DEN 27.4 0.0 -8.7 2.6 21.3 386 25.4 -5.7 45.0
29 Ryan Tannehill, MIA 54.6 -1.3 -24.9 2.2 30.6 729 44.0 -14.8 43.1
30 Blaine Gabbert, SF 16.0 10.7 -13.5 3.0 16.2 365 21.4 -8.0 42.6
RK PLAYER PASS EPA RUN EPA SACK EPA PEN EPA TOTAL EPA ACT PLAYS QB PAR QB PAA TOTAL QBR
31 Sam Bradford, PHI 38.2 -3.0 -13.9 6.8 28.0 652 36.8 -15.8 41.8
32 Joe Flacco, BAL 34.1 -2.6 -12.0 1.9 21.4 478 25.6 -13.0 40.9
33 Nick Foles, STL 11.5 -0.4 -9.1 2.4 4.4 403 7.5 -25.0 30.0

I'll take #23 Derek Carr or #21 Jameis Winston please. Really i'd love to have #16 on that list ideally.

 

[Retroram52]

Number 16 is going to be one helluva a pro QB!

 

[Smed55]

Sure Smed that list is real accurate... I guess we'll see if anyone signs Sam to a big contract?? Because according to your list no team in their right mind would sign someone to a multimillion dollar deal that was that bad right?? 31st in the leauge bad. Of course if he does sign a big deal maybe PFF is the more accurate list. And I'm guessing that's the case.

Yep, the only accurate list is supplied by PFF, please! This is from the "official site of the NFL, but it holds no water?

No doubt, Sammie will get his millions, mainly because there are about 2-3 options out there and sadly Sammie is the best option for those teams? There's always someone willing to overpay

 

[27mtrcougar]

Yep, the only accurate list is supplied by PFF, please! This is from the "official site of the NFL, but it holds no water?

No doubt, Sammie will get his millions, mainly because there are about 2-3 options out there and sadly Sammie is the best option for those teams?
Oh no doubt he will his millions

Then stop with that bogus list!! If he was that bad he would be riding the bench somewhere with you boy. Not about to get Paid again.... Stop with all the excuses.

 

[Smed55]

Number 16 is going to be one helluva a pro QB!

Come on Retro and SJ, you can't be serious, you would take them over Sammie? You do realize he is ranked the 9th best QB in the league this year?

 

[Smed55]

Then stop with that bogus list!! If he was that bad he would be riding the bench somewhere with you boy. Not about to get Paid again.... Stop with all the excuses.

OMG, this from the Excuse King!!!! Ya bogus list, now the NFL is just throwing shit out there! Lol

 

[SJ76]

Number 16 is going to be one helluva a pro QB!

You see Deshawn Watson last night on Clemson? That was no cupcake defense he was up against last night (BAMA). He might end up being a pretty good NFL QB as well - jury (me) is still out.


How u doin Retro?

 

[SJ76]

Come on Retro and SJ, you can't be serious, you would take them over Sammie? You do realize he is ranked the 9th best QB in the league this year?

Mariota has 4.4 speed. Bradford has 6.4 speed. Mariota, Winston, Carr are all gonna be pretty solid QBs. I just like the one who has old school Chris Johnson speed.

 

[Smed55]

Mariota has 4.4 speed. Bradford has 6.4 speed. Mariota, Winston, Carr are all gonna be pretty solid QBs. I just like the one who has old school Chris Johnson speed.

Lol, you used the word speed in the same sentence with Sammie! Lol

 

[27mtrcougar]

Lol, you used the word speed in the same sentence with Sammie! Lol

He ran a 4.7 40 that's not bad... Ask that Saints safety he ran down.

 

[Retroram52]

Decent SJ76. Looking for another line of work though. Tired of driving a bus and dealing with braindead whack jobs.

 

[Smed55]

He ran a 4.7 40 that's not bad... Ask that Saints safety he ran down.

Actually his time is 4.78, manning is 4.8, so it's not saying much!!!!

 

[27mtrcougar]

Actually his time is 4.78, manning is 4.8, so it's not saying much!!!!

He's still going to get paid like a top 15 QB because thats what he is.

 

[Smed55]

He's still going to get paid like a top 15 QB because thats what he is.

Ive already agreed with you that he will get his money, but its because the QB options this year are weak.

And no HE IS NOT a top 15 QB, I can easily name at least 20 QB that had better year this year than he did, let alone probably at least 10 QB's that have been drafted since Sammie that have already had a better year than any year he has ever had! And there are at least 28 teams that are fine with the QB that they currently have!

 

[27mtrcougar]

I'll take #23 Derek Carr or #21 Jameis Winston please. Really i'd love to have #16 on that list ideally.

I like #3

 

[Retroram52]

That goes without any posts from you Cougie!

 

[27mtrcougar]

Ive already agreed with you that he will get his money, but its because the QB options this year are weak.

And no HE IS NOT a top 15 QB, I can easily name at least 20 QB that had better year this year than he did, let alone probably at least 10 QB's that have been drafted since Sammie that have already had a better year than any year he has ever had! And there are at least 28 teams that are fine with the QB that they currently have!

Come on Retro and SJ, you can't be serious, you would take them over Sammie? You do realize he is ranked the 9th best QB in the league this year?

You're probably not going to believe this, but the Philadelphia Eagles dropped A LOT of passes during the 2015 season. I might even be underselling it when I mean "a lot." According to Pro Football Focus, Sam Bradford had to deal with the highest percentage of drops. 7.9% of his passes (42 out of 532) were dropped, which was the most of any NFL quarterback.

With no disrespect to PFF, I think that drop figure might actually be low. I watched all of Bradford's drops in 2015 thanks to the video below and came up with a total of 58.




So what would Bradford's numbers look like if his pass catchers were perfect and NEVER dropped a pass? Obviously this isn't realistic, because drops are always part of the game, but just for fun:

COMP ATT YDS Y/A TD INT RATING
Actual Bradford 346 532 3725 7 19 14 84.6
Dropless Bradford 404 532 4318 8.1 22 12 103.6

If they catch half of the drops his numbers still go up considerable though.

 

[Retroram52]

Didn't we drop the ball a lot when Sammie was in St Louis?

 

[Smed55]

Didn't we drop the ball a lot when Sammie was in St Louis?

Don't ya know, Sammies receivers lead the league every year in drops, maybe he just doesn't throw a very catchable ball?

I think the Rams dropped the ball, by holding on to Sammie to long!