The GOAT

[Xponentialchaos]

As a lifelong 49er fan, I wish I could say Joe Montana.

But it's Tom Brady without a doubt in my mind.

God I feel so dirty after saying that.

 

[Rex Racer]

He moved the ball against one of the weakest defenses in the NFL

Incorrect, the Cowboys were home at the time.

 

[Ricky Roma]

As a lifelong 49er fan, I wish I could say Joe Montana.

You still can....it's the correct choice.

 

[clemtheslowson]

You still can....it's the correct choice.

 

[Xponentialchaos]

As a lifelong 49er fan, I wish I could say Joe Montana

But it's Tom Brady without a doubt in my mind.

God I feel so dirty after saying that.

The dirt won't come off...

 

[TP76]

The dirt won't come off...

Just look at it this way, they're both Bay Area legends... one made his fame there, and one grew up there.

 

[Xponentialchaos]

Just look at it this way, they're both Bay Area legends... one made his fame there, and one grew up there.

True. The GOAT grew up admiring the previous GOAT.

That definitely helps.

 

[Rex Racer]

You still can....it's the correct choice.

No.

 

[Dude]

Dude what pills u poppin?

LOL, no pills, just some Martinis, then Rum & Cokes. Meant to write assassin but I think I was quite buzzed by then.

 

[wood20ks]

I give Brady a lot of credit, what he has done has been nothing short of amazing. But just a couple things if I may.

The AFC lEast has been absolutely terrible since the Brady-Belichick marriage. The Jets have won 6 playoff games in those 16 years, the Dolphins have won ZERO playoff games in those 16 years and the Bills have not played in a playoff game this millennium.

So, as we can see their road to the playoffs has been a somewhat easy one over the years. Also, playing in such a terrible division has many times given them home field advantage in at least one of their two playoff games and many times all the way through. They have played two road playoff games in their seven Super Bowl seasons.

So, win an easy division, play someone in round one like the Bengals, Texans, Jaguars or a Tim Tebow led Broncos team then it's down to one game which 5 times out of 7 they have played at home.

Now again, both of those road playoff games they beat the Steelers but the road to get to that point has never been a difficult one for Brady and the Pats.

Again I respect what he's done but he is not the best QB of all time, best accomplishments sure but not the best QB.

Just my opinion...

Although I agree with you up to a point.i gotta disagree to most of it..........1st of all,you play whos on your schedule.Could the Pats make those teams`s record worse than what they could have been if they were in another division sure,could thopse teams be as bad as they seem in another division.....Sure.but who`s to say.

2ndly,when youre in the playoffs,you`re playing vs other caliber plasyoff teams,not the teams you mentioned year after year.So yes,the Pats have earned every bit of what they have.........Their division has not made them 'Perenial"SB contenders years after year........Sorry but they have.

And as far as brady,yeah,he`s the best ever........He`s done it withour his top receiver and just mediocre rbs.
Not one year have I said to myself,"Wow that NE defense won the SB,a playoff game nor won a division for them.............But I say that about Brady,year after year..........

 

[Nosferatu]

Although I agree with you up to a point.i gotta disagree to most of it..........1st of all,you play whos on your schedule.Could the Pats make those teams`s record worse than what they could have been if they were in another division sure,could thopse teams be as bad as they seem in another division.....Sure.but who`s to say.

2ndly,when youre in the playoffs,you`re playing vs other caliber plasyoff teams,not the teams you mentioned year after year.So yes,the Pats have earned every bit of what they have.........Their division has not made them 'Perenial"SB contenders years after year........Sorry but they have.

And as far as brady,yeah,he`s the best ever........He`s done it withour his top receiver and just mediocre rbs.
Not one year have I said to myself,"Wow that NE defense won the SB,a playoff game nor won a division for them.............But I say that about Brady,year after year..........

It really doesn't matter if you agree with me or not, although I respect your opinion that's all you just posted was opinion, aside from my opinion of him not being the GOAT everything else I posted were facts.

 

[TP76]

Without Joe Montana, there probably wouldn't be a Tom Brady

 

[Nosferatu]

The division record might hold some weight, but Brady has a .767 winning percentage against teams outside the division. The equivalent of 12.25 wins per season. He also has a .644 winning percentage against playoff teams. No other team has a record over .500 in that span.

The division isn't nearly as terrible as people like to pretend. In fact, since division realignment in 2002, the 2nd-4th place teams (usually the Bills, Jets, and Dolphins) have won 47.3% of the 450 games played outside the division. That's more than any other division in football.

AFC East: 47.3%
NFC East: 46.9%
AFC North: 46.2%
NFC South: 44.4%
AFC West: 43.6%
AFC South: 43.1%
NFC North: 42.2%
NFC West: 37.1%

I was going to have a conversation about your post but the first thing I checked was your claim of 47.3% of the 450 non divisional games have been won by Bills, Jets, Dolphins. They have won 209 of 450 which unless i'm wrong is 46.4%. So, I gave up...

 

[wood20ks]

It really doesn't matter if you agree with me or not, although I respect your opinion that's all you just posted was opinion, aside from my opinion of him not being the GOAT everything else I posted were facts.

And the same goes for you..............

plus I`m not going to read thru this whole thread to see "what" facts you bring up to prove he`s not the greatest,all you have to dio is look to see what he`s done watching him play............There is no other qb that has gone as long as he has and brought their team into the playoffs year after year,played in as many SBs as he has,won SB MVPs as he has done..........And I could give two shits about what division he is playing either.........

Aaron Rodgers is playing in a piss poor division and yet he has not accomplished what TB has done.............What about Manning`s run? H elooked old in his last season in Denver.........If you watched it,it was the defense that won it for them,not Peyton..And he has been known for choking during the playoffs.

So what facts do you need to prove otherwise?

Cause I don`t need any to understand TB is the greatest of all-time.

 

[Nosferatu]

And the same goes for you..............

plus I`m not going to read thru this whole thread to see "what" facts you bring up to prove he`s not the greatest,all you have to dio is look to see what he`s done watching him play............There is no other qb that has gone as long as he has and brought their team into the playoffs year after year,played in as many SBs as he has,won SB MVPs as he has done..........And I could give two shits about what division he is playing either.........

Aaron Rodgers is playing in a piss poor division and yet he has not accomplished what TB has done.............What about Manning`s run? H elooked old in his last season in Denver.........If you watched it,it was the defense that won it for them,not Peyton..And he has been known for choking during the playoffs.

So what facts do you need to prove otherwise?

Cause I don`t need any to understand TB is the greatest of all-time.

The same goes for me? I stated facts you gave opinions, seems like we have a disconnect here.

You don't have to look through the entire thread, you quoted my post. You have heard the old saying "The QB gets to much credit when the team wins and too much blame when the team loses" that saying was created with Tom Brady in mind. You know the real reason the Patriots have done so well? (I'm about to enter some opinion here) The reason they have done so well is Bill Belichick, greatest coach in NFL history IMO.

And in closing I never said Brady sucked, just that he is not the best QB of all time, and he's not.

 

[wood20ks]

The same goes for me? I stated facts you gave opinions, seems like we have a disconnect here.

You don't have to look through the entire thread, you quoted my post. You have heard the old saying "The QB gets to much credit when the team wins and too much blame when the team loses" that saying was created with Tom Brady in mind. You know the real reason the Patriots have done so well? (I'm about to enter some opinion here) The reason they have done so well is Bill Belichick, greatest coach in NFL history IMO.

And in closing I never said Brady sucked, just that he is not the best QB of all time, and he's not.

I totally agree with you on the Bellicek thing.........But hey,if you don`t have the talent to win,you won`t win.And you can not teach talent.

But as far as Brady,I never said you said he sucked,you say he`s not the best ever,but I disagree.............

So show me these "so-called" facts to prove he`s not............cause frankly all stats can be turned in any way you want it to look.

And as I said,I have not read thru this whole thread,so the first you wrote they play in a weak division......That its self is weak.
So in the first rd they play the likes of,your quote here :
"So, win an easy division, play someone in round one like the Bengals, Texans, Jaguars or a Tim Tebow led Broncos team then it's down to one game which 5 times out of 7 they have played at home."

There are always these teams that make the playoffs where sometimes they shouldn`t..............And to play in the first rd,you have to play 3 games to get to the SB,so its not down to one game they get to play at home as you`ve mentioned.They`d be on the road for the 2nd game no matter what.Cause there are two teams ahead of them with byes.
So say they won hfa thru out the playoffs,they start during a second roud game,so its very likely they don't get to play the Bengals,Texans,Jags or a Tebow led team...........They are playing caliber playoff teams........

And my fact is,Rodgers plays in an awful division,why does he not take his team to as many SBs?
I mean Brady just set a record vs the Falcons,to where as Rodgers could do nothing against the same team a week earlier.

So I`d say I debunked your 1st fact of weak division..........

And I`m curious,who do you say is best ever?

And ps..........Not trying to be a dick,just having a good conversation here.

 

[wood20ks]

The only reason Rodgers even has 1 was because his defense gave up just 14 points and had a pick 6 in the NFC Championship. They gave up just 20 points in regulation last year and couldn't win. Gave up 22 in regulation in 2014 and couldn't win. Gave up 23 points in 2013 and couldn't win. 5 of the 7 playoff losses, they've scored 22 or fewer points.

And that was vs a Jay Cutler led team.......the most laughable qb in the NFL who could not play in the second half.We were down to caleb hanie.lmao
And that game is where Jay Cutler lost me as a fan.......I still say get your ass out there and fucking play like a man.You`re playing vs your no.1 rival and playing in thee biggest game of your career,but you sit on the bench cause your manjina is hurt............. I hope he`s not in Chicago next season,sick of him..........

 

[NEhomer]

You guys who are old enough, remember when Joe was down a few points and got the ball with 2:00 left and you just knew he was going to win? Remember those days?

Well, when Stater won the coin toss in OT last Sunday night, I got that very same feeling again.

 

[NWPATSFAN]

You guys who are old enough, remember when Joe was down a few points and got the ball with 2:00 left and you just knew he was going to win? Remember those days?

Well, when Stater won the coin toss in OT last Sunday night, I got that very same feeling again.

You weren't alone. Beside most knowlegeable football fans the entire NE team had the same feeling. Who could blame them?
I wonder if you could get an honest answer out of the Atlanta playes, how many would say they also felt they wouldn't see the ball again?

 

[NWPATSFAN]

The same goes for me? I stated facts you gave opinions, seems like we have a disconnect here.

You don't have to look through the entire thread, you quoted my post. You have heard the old saying "The QB gets to much credit when the team wins and too much blame when the team loses" that saying was created with Tom Brady in mind. You know the real reason the Patriots have done so well? (I'm about to enter some opinion here) The reason they have done so well is Bill Belichick, greatest coach in NFL history IMO.

And in closing I never said Brady sucked, just that he is not the best QB of all time, and he's not.

Do you know the difference betwee facts and opinions? It appears anytime @wood20ks says something it's an opinion. All those things he quoted about the best numbers are FACTS. Sorry to break that to you.
Yet you tried to claim that old saying was created withTB in mind as factual if not you wouldn't have emphasised you were going to give your opinion in the very next statement