The GOAT

[Used 2 B Hu]

Heyyy...no "Product of a System" poll response?

 

[mr.hockey4242]

@Nosferatu

 

[Dude]

 

[soxfan1468927]

Rodgers gets more YAC because he hits more homeruns because he airs it out more. Brady gets less because he takes the short stuff to get small chunks in front of the defenders.

Brady has averaged more air yards per attempt in the last two seasons than Rodgers. Rodgers has a slight edge career wise

 

[soxfan1468927]

His accuracy wasn't really all that good last night. I thought Matt Ryan was the much more accurate passer of the two. Brady rarely throws the ball more than 10 yards downfield. I think his accuracy is a bit overrated relative to other elite quarterbacks past and present.

I agree that his decision-making is one of his best attributes. Taking what the defense gives him is how he wins.

Reads are strong, but I think he takes the easy underneath stuff a little too quickly and often - which is actually why the Pats got behind by so much last night in the first place.

Pocket awareness is definitely great. Right up there with all of the elitests.

He had 15 TDs over 10 yards this season, same amount as Rodgers in 4 fewer games. He also had 5 TDs over 20 yards, compared to 6 for Rodgers, in 4 fewer games. They both threw 30% of their passes over 10 yards, Brady just had more success

 

[RP-29]

You're kidding, right?

Brady was likely the only QB who could have done that. Maybe in history and certainly of those playing today. Every time they needed a play in the fourth quarter, he made it. Zero chance Alex Smith would have made half of them.

Really? I thought you watched more football than that.

What specifically did Brady do last night that Alex Smith couldn't - besides maybe maintain his patience/composure down 25?

Brady didn't make any spectacular throws. He didn't spin out of a sack and gun the ball 25 yards downfield running to his left for a first down ala Aaron Rodgers. I can think of a grand total of one throw I thought was a good throw - his rainbow toss to the right sideline perfectly over the shoulder for a basket catch ... for like 7 yards. Aside from that one throw, I thought his actual best play was escaping the pocket and running for a first down. The whole comeback was nothing more than taking what the tired Falcons defense gave him while his defense kept Atlanta off the scoreboard.

 

[RP-29]

He had 15 TDs over 10 yards this season, same amount as Rodgers in 4 fewer games. He also had 5 TDs over 20 yards, compared to 6 for Rodgers, in 4 fewer games. They both threw 30% of their passes over 10 yards, Brady just had more success

Again, to me, statistical comparisons and wins are just a small part of the GOAT equation because they're circumstantial.

 

[soxfan1468927]

Again, to me, statistical comparisons and wins are just a small part of the GOAT equation because they're circumstantial.

You are the one that made the claim, I'm showing you that your claim has no basis in fact. Sometimes you need statistics to make that opinion become fact.

 

[Nosferatu]

I give Brady a lot of credit, what he has done has been nothing short of amazing. But just a couple things if I may.

The AFC lEast has been absolutely terrible since the Brady-Belichick marriage. The Jets have won 6 playoff games in those 16 years, the Dolphins have won ZERO playoff games in those 16 years and the Bills have not played in a playoff game this millennium.

So, as we can see their road to the playoffs has been a somewhat easy one over the years. Also, playing in such a terrible division has many times given them home field advantage in at least one of their two playoff games and many times all the way through. They have played two road playoff games in their seven Super Bowl seasons.

So, win an easy division, play someone in round one like the Bengals, Texans, Jaguars or a Tim Tebow led Broncos team then it's down to one game which 5 times out of 7 they have played at home.

Now again, both of those road playoff games they beat the Steelers but the road to get to that point has never been a difficult one for Brady and the Pats.

Again I respect what he's done but he is not the best QB of all time, best accomplishments sure but not the best QB.

Just my opinion...

 

[cwerph]

 

[TP76]

Late fourth quarter drives to take the lead or tie in the final minutes, on the biggest stage, in all 7 superbowls is what sets him apart.

 

[soxfan1468927]

I give Brady a lot of credit, what he has done has been nothing short of amazing. But just a couple things if I may.

The AFC lEast has been absolutely terrible since the Brady-Belichick marriage. The Jets have won 6 playoff games in those 16 years, the Dolphins have won ZERO playoff games in those 16 years and the Bills have not played in a playoff game this millennium.

So, as we can see their road to the playoffs has been a somewhat easy one over the years. Also, playing in such a terrible division has many times given them home field advantage in at least one of their two playoff games and many times all the way through. They have played two road playoff games in their seven Super Bowl seasons.

So, win an easy division, play someone in round one like the Bengals, Texans, Jaguars or a Tim Tebow led Broncos team then it's down to one game which 5 times out of 7 they have played at home.

Now again, both of those road playoff games they beat the Steelers but the road to get to that point has never been a difficult one for Brady and the Pats.

Again I respect what he's done but he is not the best QB of all time, best accomplishments sure but not the best QB.

Just my opinion...

The division record might hold some weight, but Brady has a .767 winning percentage against teams outside the division. The equivalent of 12.25 wins per season. He also has a .644 winning percentage against playoff teams. No other team has a record over .500 in that span.

The division isn't nearly as terrible as people like to pretend. In fact, since division realignment in 2002, the 2nd-4th place teams (usually the Bills, Jets, and Dolphins) have won 47.3% of the 450 games played outside the division. That's more than any other division in football.

AFC East: 47.3%
NFC East: 46.9%
AFC North: 46.2%
NFC South: 44.4%
AFC West: 43.6%
AFC South: 43.1%
NFC North: 42.2%
NFC West: 37.1%

 

[NEhomer]

Why the fuck would Aaron Rodger's name be brought up in a thread about the greatest QB?

 

[NEhomer]

The division record might hold some weight, but Brady has a .767 winning percentage against teams outside the division. The equivalent of 12.25 wins per season. He also has a .644 winning percentage against playoff teams. No other team has a record over .500 in that span.

The division isn't nearly as terrible as people like to pretend. In fact, since division realignment in 2002, the 2nd-4th place teams (usually the Bills, Jets, and Dolphins) have won 47.3% of the 450 games played outside the division. That's more than any other division in football.

AFC East: 47.3%
NFC East: 46.9%
AFC North: 46.2%
NFC South: 44.4%
AFC West: 43.6%
AFC South: 43.1%
NFC North: 42.2%
NFC West: 37.1%

They act like other divisions don't have shit teams. Then, figure that the other AFCE teams have to play the Patriots twice...it has an effect.

 

[soxfan1468927]

They act like other divisions don't have shit teams. Then, figure that the other AFCE teams have to play the Patriots twice...it has an effect.

And the AFC East hasn't picked in the top 5 of the draft, except by trading up, since 2011, and have 2 top 5 picks in the last 10 years.

 

[Tainthappening]

I agree that his decision-making is one of his best attributes. Taking what the defense gives him is how he wins.

Reads are strong, but I think he takes the easy underneath stuff a little too quickly and often - which is actually why the Pats got behind by so much last night in the first place.

He has 5 rings with taking the underneath stuff... hard to argue with that.

 

[RP-29]

He has 5 rings with taking the underneath stuff... hard to argue with that.

He also has a defense that gave up ZERO points during the final 22 minutes of the game. Remember when the Packers defense did that? Me either. Rodgers might have five rings instead if that EVER happened.

 

[NEhomer]

At the risk of repeating myself, why the fuck would Aaron Rodger's name be brought up in a thread about the greatest QB?

 

[soxfan1468927]

He also has a defense that gave up ZERO points during the final 22 minutes of the game. Remember when the Packers defense did that? Me either. Rodgers might have five rings instead if that EVER happened.

The only reason Rodgers even has 1 was because his defense gave up just 14 points and had a pick 6 in the NFC Championship. They gave up just 20 points in regulation last year and couldn't win. Gave up 22 in regulation in 2014 and couldn't win. Gave up 23 points in 2013 and couldn't win. 5 of the 7 playoff losses, they've scored 22 or fewer points.

 

[soxfan1468927]

He also has a defense that gave up ZERO points during the final 22 minutes of the game. Remember when the Packers defense did that? Me either. Rodgers might have five rings instead if that EVER happened.

In 4 of the 5 Super Bowl runs, the offense has had to score at least 28 points in order to win in at least one game.