The Case Against MJ as the GOAT (topical discussion only please)

[dtgold88]

You nor anyone else has refuted a single thing I wrote in this thread.... if you had then this thread wouldn't be 32 pages long AND counting, simpleton.

Why don't you start with just the very last post I wrote (regarding LeBron's FAILURE to meet or exceed expectations) for nearly half his career vs. MJ just twice in 15 years??

Start there... or is "winning" and "meeting expectations" conveniently not part of the GOAT criteria???

lol

GTHOH fool.... I'll run circles around you in a head-to-head LeBron vs. Jordan debate.

It's 32 pages and counting for 2 reasons. First, you cannot accept the facts that refute your unhealthy MJ comments. Second, most think you and the true nuthuggers are free comic relief.

 

[dtgold88]

Lol, so Bron wasn’t bouncing around stacking the cards in his favor?

He left a pretty good Miami team to join a middling at best Cavs' team, so........?

 

[dtgold88]

True...but the reason I don't have an issue with him going to Miami is because he was a free agent, had played for the Cavs for 7 years and they had been unable or unwilling to get him what he needed to win a title. So, he went to a team that could.

Nothing wrong with that as he had earned his free agency and was free to go wherever he wanted.

But the way he went about was a really bad look.

KD was an FA as well...but he went to the team that had just beaten him in the WCF, which was just weak.

Good points but to be fair big issue was Lebron, himself, would not recruit FAs nor commit to stay. Not that he is required to do so, but to do neither makes it a little tough on the Cavs.

When he came back he was committed, wanted Love and Love wanted to come. Go figure.

 

[dtgold88]

Oh the “if” BS. So Jordan who didn’t wanna join up with others cause he wanted to beat them, all of a sudden he would now be doing that? Smdh

Can you really not understand the difference in the CBAs? Max contracts vs. no max deals? MJ a pretty petty guy he's not gonna stick it to Krause if NY could offer close to what the Bulls could?

 

[dtgold88]

lol, the nut hugging with LeBron is amazing

I laugh every time you write this...though wonder how you are able while truly hugging nuts.

 

[dtgold88]

I always chuckle at people who try to hold all generations to the same standard.

If MJ had the power a Lebron has today, after being treated like a king his entire uprbringing due to talent, with social media and our narcissistic society... MJ would have been eons more of a diva than he already was. People forget how much he was behind the scenes, and yes he threatened leaving and power moves back then.. there just wasn't the same coverage, leaks, and viral social media to trumpet it. Jordan was a protected asset by the media and NBA.

And let's not start about Jordan's late night habits and how much trouble that would have gotten him in if he were around today with iphones everywhere. The guy can't help himself...

And Yes, Lebron left for the Cavs and Lakers for motives other than finding the best situation to win a championship. His Miami move is indefensible though.

Yep...obviously not happy he left for LA but can certainly understand why a rich, young family might prefer LA to Cleveland. If it was only winning he stays here or goes to Philly.

 

[dtgold88]

Proven wrong? That’s what you call that? Done nor stack his cards when it was tough for him in Cleveland?

Oh, the irony.....guess instead of leaving he should have just quit?

 

[rmilia1]

I've never understood people acting like LeBron going to Miami was akin to what KD did

Miami was like 6th in the East the season before James went there

Like if Shai went to the Pistons this offseason would that be seen as some huge power shift? Unlikely

The reason it was seen that way with James imo is because he was so good ANYWHERE he went it would'veb been seen like that. Its a tacit admission of how great you really thought he was.

 

[msgkings322]

I've never understood people acting like LeBron going to Miami was akin to what KD did

Miami was like 6th in the East the season before James went there

Like if Shai went to the Pistons this offseason would that be seen as some huge power shift? Unlikely

The reason it was seen that way with James imo is because he was so good ANYWHERE he went it would'veb been seen like that. Its a tacit admission of how great you really thought he was.

Adding Shai to the Pistons (without taking anyone away) makes them ECF favorites

 

[rmilia1]

Adding Shai to the Pistons (without taking anyone away) makes them ECF favorites

Maybe? Id probably have them 2nd

But the reaction wouldn't be the same either

 

[Jordan23]

Yes, you've been proven wrong repeatedly. You not being smart enough to know it is your problem...but entertaining for everyone else.

As to the bold...sorry, I don't speak retardese.

He picked and stacked his cards, there is no debate there

 

[Jordan23]

Oh, the irony.....guess instead of leaving he should have just quit?

Quit lol, still in that retard comment huh? Quitting is leaving when it’s tough, not winning 3 straight titles you dumb shit

Quitting is LeBron bailing cause he couldn’t get it done.

 

[msgkings322]

Maybe? Id probably have them 2nd

But the reaction wouldn't be the same either

If Shai brought another all star with him? Be a pretty big reaction wouldn’t it?

 

[rmilia1]

If Shai brought another all star with him? Be a pretty big reaction wouldn’t it?

OK so let's look at that

Let's say SGA and Sabonis go to the a Pistons

Do you honestly think the negative reaction would be the same? Not the overall reaction but the negativity.

 

[msgkings322]

OK so let's look at that

Let's say SGA and Sabonis go to the a Pistons

Do you honestly think the negative reaction would be the same? Not the overall reaction but the negativity.

It would depend how obnoxious Shai was about “The Decision” LOL

 

[dtgold88]

He picked and stacked his cards, there is no debate there

Went to a lesser talented Cavs and Laker team but sure. seriously, if making up a narrative (lying) why not be more creative?

 

[dtgold88]

Quit lol, still in that retard comment huh? Quitting is leaving when it’s tough, not winning 3 straight titles you dumb shit

Quitting is LeBron bailing cause he couldn’t get it done.

Uh, yeah.....was about to get tough with Pippen and likely his coach of choice gone.

Lebron left a Finals team for a much less talented team in LA. MJ lost his handholder and quit.

 

[dtgold88]

It would depend how obnoxious Shai was about “The Decision” LOL

Yep....I agree with you here. some reaction but not close to what Lebron got. Also didn't help Lebron and his boys started planning this years before the moves were made.

 

[trojanfan12]

He picked and stacked his cards, there is no debate there

So going to teams who hadn't been to the playoffs in 4 years (Cavs) and 5 years (Lakers) is now "stacking" teams.

Way to keep kicking your own ass.

 

[dtgold88]

So going to teams who hadn't been to the playoffs in 4 years (Cavs) and 5 years (Lakers) is now "stacking" teams.

Way to keep kicking your own ass.

wonder what it would take for him to just say, "yeah, good point. My logic was way off."

fanduel is offering +1.5 mil that he can own his mistakes.