The Case Against MJ as the GOAT (topical discussion only please)

[Jordan23]

Bron was doing exactly what MJ would be doing if he played in this era. Would MJ have come back to his hometown to bring them a ring?

Oh the “if” BS. So Jordan who didn’t wanna join up with others cause he wanted to beat them, all of a sudden he would now be doing that? Smdh

 

[msgkings322]

Oh the “if” BS. So Jordan who didn’t wanna join up with others cause he wanted to beat them, all of a sudden he would now be doing that? Smdh

He didn't have a lot of input. LOL if you think he wouldn't be using it today.

 

[tlance]

Oh the “if” BS. So Jordan who didn’t wanna join up with others cause he wanted to beat them, all of a sudden he would now be doing that? Smdh

Jordan didn’t have the opportunity or the need to leave. Rules were different.

The Bulls were the best team in the league by the time he even had an opportunity to leave.

And when he had the opportunity?

He was all set to sign with the Knicks in ‘96 offseason until the Bulls offered more money.

As for LeBron?

He did leave to stack the deck when he went to Miami. That is 100% true.

His other moves (Cleveland and LA) he chose teams that missed the playoffs the prior year and he chose them for reasons that transcended talent on the roster.

So you can’t say those moves were “stacking the deck” because there were other teams he could have joined that had better situations.

 

[Jordan23]

lol, the nut hugging with LeBron is amazing

 

[Stakesarehigh]

lol, the nut hugging with LeBron is amazing

Is there something not factual about the Cavs and Lakers missing the playoffs the year LeBron joined them

 

[RobToxin]

He didn't have a lot of input. LOL if you think he wouldn't be using it today.

For sure, today's players have a lot more roster manipulation abilities than the 90s.

Still, they did get some input.

Best example of that is Phil Jackson getting the okay from MJ and Pippen before Rodman was brought to Chicago.

If either man said no, Rodman would not have become a Bull.

 

[trojanfan12]

lol, the nut hugging with LeBron is amazing

lol

The deflection to "Lebron nut-hugging" when you're proven wrong is predictable.

 

[Mr. Friscus]

you canNot make a case that LeBron is "close" to Jordan because he's not.

with debating like that line of logic, you have absolutely convinced me

LOL

Anything/everything you could possible bring up has already been thoroughly refuted by yours truly in this thread.

Yes.. and The government has concluded its investigation of the government and found no corruption!

LOL

I really hope you’re not serious in all of this, I really do

 

[Mr. Friscus]

I'll run circles around you in a head-to-head LeBron vs. Jordan debate.

I have no doubt that in your head that’s absolutely true.

 

[Wamu]

LeBron doesn't deserve to be compared to Jordan because he's not close to Jordan, which has been my contention from the get-go... so it would appear that it's your "crusade" (you and a number of other posters) to try and argue that he is (close), yet here we are 32 pages later and no one has built even a somewhat legit argument to back it up.

In literally every conceivable category/measurement (except "career stats") LeBron falls woefully short of Jordan. He's not close.

If you agree, we're cool. If not, continue on with "your" crusade and let's get this thread to 50 pages.

lolol

So what yer sayin' is I gotta agree with all of yer biased boo-hoo bullshit because you can't stop obsessing over LeBron. Got it. Let's be real here, you gotta major problem with anyone that doesn't hate LeBron like you do.

And I never said LeBron was close to MJ. You really are outta yer simple mind. All I have said is LeBron is only compared to MJ and no other players.

I haven't "argued" about anything. You on the other...well that's a different story. You really are pissed at anyone that dares to question your utter hatred for one player. It really is strange.

There truly is something wrong with you. Everything I have said I have told you in the past. Obviously reading comprehension is not your friend.

 

[Black Adam]

lol

The deflection to "Lebron nut-hugging" when you're proven wrong is predictable.

What's up with the knucklehead infection here? So much for the NBA board being clean...

 

[Mr. Friscus]

Jordan didn’t have the opportunity or the need to leave. Rules were different.

The Bulls were the best team in the league by the time he even had an opportunity to leave.

And when he had the opportunity?

He was all set to sign with the Knicks in ‘96 offseason until the Bulls offered more money.

As for LeBron?

He did leave to stack the deck when he went to Miami. That is 100% true.

His other moves (Cleveland and LA) he chose teams that missed the playoffs the prior year and he chose them for reasons that transcended talent on the roster.

So you can’t say those moves were “stacking the deck” because there were other teams he could have joined that had better situations.

I always chuckle at people who try to hold all generations to the same standard.

If MJ had the power a Lebron has today, after being treated like a king his entire uprbringing due to talent, with social media and our narcissistic society... MJ would have been eons more of a diva than he already was. People forget how much he was behind the scenes, and yes he threatened leaving and power moves back then.. there just wasn't the same coverage, leaks, and viral social media to trumpet it. Jordan was a protected asset by the media and NBA.

And let's not start about Jordan's late night habits and how much trouble that would have gotten him in if he were around today with iphones everywhere. The guy can't help himself...

And Yes, Lebron left for the Cavs and Lakers for motives other than finding the best situation to win a championship. His Miami move is indefensible though.

 

[Mr. Friscus]

So you're denying those were the Vegas odds each season (lol) "or" are you acknowledging LeBron truly is NOT close to Jordan?

Relying on vegas odds as an argument really hurts your already withering credibility. You could be doing such a better job representing MJ and keeping things unemotional. I don't get why you get so worked up and huffy at the thought that MJ might not be considered the unquestioned GOAT. Are you his cousin or something?

 

[trojanfan12]

I always chuckle at people who try to hold all generations to the same standard.

If MJ had the power a Lebron has today, after being treated like a king his entire uprbringing due to talent, with social media and our narcissistic society... MJ would have been eons more of a diva than he already was. People forget how much he was behind the scenes, and yes he threatened leaving and power moves back then.. there just wasn't the same coverage, leaks, and viral social media to trumpet it. Jordan was a protected asset by the media and NBA.

And let's not start about Jordan's late night habits and how much trouble that would have gotten him in if he were around today with iphones everywhere. The guy can't help himself...

And Yes, Lebron left for the Cavs and Lakers for motives other than finding the best situation to win a championship. His Miami move is indefensible though.

Him going to Miami isn't indefensible, imo.

But the way he went about it, definitely was.

 

[Jordan23]

lol

The deflection to "Lebron nut-hugging" when you're proven wrong is predictable.

Proven wrong? That’s what you call that? Done nor stack his cards when it was tough for him in Cleveland?

 

[trojanfan12]

Proven wrong? That’s what you call that? Done nor stack his cards when it was tough for him in Cleveland?

Yes, you've been proven wrong repeatedly. You not being smart enough to know it is your problem...but entertaining for everyone else.

As to the bold...sorry, I don't speak retardese.

 

[Mr. Friscus]

Him going to Miami isn't indefensible, imo.

But the way he went about it, definitely was.

It wasn't as bad as Durant going to Golden State.

While James was the best player in the league, and was going to play with a top 5 guard in Dwayne Wade and bring over a top 5 forward in Chris Bosh.. there wasn't an established team.

Durant simply gave up.

 

[trojanfan12]

It wasn't as bad as Durant going to Golden State.

While James was the best player in the league, and was going to play with a top 5 guard in Dwayne Wade and bring over a top 5 forward in Chris Bosh.. there wasn't an established team.

Durant simply gave up.

True...but the reason I don't have an issue with him going to Miami is because he was a free agent, had played for the Cavs for 7 years and they had been unable or unwilling to get him what he needed to win a title. So, he went to a team that could.

Nothing wrong with that as he had earned his free agency and was free to go wherever he wanted.

But the way he went about was a really bad look.

KD was an FA as well...but he went to the team that had just beaten him in the WCF, which was just weak.

 

[dtgold88]

And once again, the same idiotic posting. Do you ever post anything that’s not half retarded?

I get for you any fact that refutes your baseless opinions you consider retarded......but you calling anything/anyone retarded like Augustus Gloop telling a kid he cannot control his eating habits.

 

[dtgold88]

lol, no LeBron is not in my head... other than when I visit this board I'm not thinking of the POS.

That aside... you canNot make a case that LeBron is "close" to Jordan because he's not. Anything/everything you could possible bring up has already been thoroughly refuted by yours truly in this thread. "Volume stats" is the ONLY thing LeBron has on Jordan, and that alone does not get him close. Sorry if the truth disappoints you..

I can buy that first comment as you cannot stop thinking of MJ.

For me easiest case is Bulls win 55 and a playoff round with no MJ. MJ no Pippen holding hand? Never won a round or more then 42 games.

and of course most teams Lebron leaves fall off the map.

Maybe close was MJ quit when he was about to lose Pippen instead of facing the challenge.