The 2023-2024 NBA Season

[Stakesarehigh]

When did Kobe become the 2nd best player ever?

Prior to him passing, I think most had him 8-10

Been coming some people on twitter ( media/former players) who would take offense because people don't have Kobe top 2

Rashad McCants got into a back and forth with SAS about this because SAS said Kobe isn't top 2

Rashad McCants has a lot of stupid takes

 

[trojanfight]

When did Kobe become the 2nd best player ever?

Prior to him passing, I think most had him 8-10

Been coming some people on twitter ( media/former players) who would take offense because people don't have Kobe top 2

Rashad McCants got into a back and forth with SAS about this because SAS said Kobe isn't top 2

some of that comes down to are you talking achievements or stats or straight up skill? Mostly its lebron fans that insist lebron must be the best ever so to do so diminish kobe. all the team jumping chasing better teams has an asterisk in my opinion.the team jumping by lebron is a big asterisk. if all the players jumped team to teams chasing easiest path to rings a whole grip of players would have 5 rings. imagine kobe jumped on the spurs or the jazz.

 

[DJ]

@Mecca

Remember this playoff squad? Getting old sucks. LOL.

 

[Stakesarehigh]

some of that comes down to are you talking achievements or stats or straight up skill? Mostly its lebron fans that insist lebron must be the best ever so to do so diminish kobe. all the team jumping chasing better teams has an asterisk in my opinion.the team jumping by lebron is a big asterisk. if all the players jumped team to teams chasing easiest path to rings a whole grip of players would have 5 rings. imagine kobe jumped on the spurs or the jazz.

I don't even think of Kobe in terms of best ever.

there is a clear 2

MJ
LBJ

then

Kareem


then you get a mixed bag of

Wilt
Magic
Bird
Hakeem (imo)
Duncan
Kobe
Steph
Shaq

 

[Stakesarehigh]

I put KD and Dirk close

Russell can be found somewhere between 50 and 60 for those wondering.

 

[tlance]

I don't even think of Kobe in terms of best ever.

there is a clear 2

MJ
LBJ

then

Kareem


then you get a mixed bag of

Wilt
Magic
Bird
Hakeem (imo)
Duncan
Kobe
Steph
Shaq

Yeah.

Kobe not in that conversation at the top.

His resume just isn’t there.

 

[tlance]

some of that comes down to are you talking achievements or stats or straight up skill? Mostly its lebron fans that insist lebron must be the best ever so to do so diminish kobe. all the team jumping chasing better teams has an asterisk in my opinion.the team jumping by lebron is a big asterisk. if all the players jumped team to teams chasing easiest path to rings a whole grip of players would have 5 rings. imagine kobe jumped on the spurs or the jazz.

This is foolish.

LeBron moved once to a path for easier rings. That was the move to Miami, and it was because he lost faith in Cleveland FO to get it done.

His other moves were lateral or backward.

There is no legitimate case to rank Kobe ahead of LeBron.

 

[bksballer89]

I don't even think of Kobe in terms of best ever.

there is a clear 2

MJ
LBJ

then

Kareem


then you get a mixed bag of

Wilt
Magic
Bird
Hakeem (imo)
Duncan
Kobe
Steph
Shaq

Yea I’m in the same boat. He was never up there as possible GOAT

 

[Stakesarehigh]

Yea I’m in the same boat. He was never up there as possible GOAT

yea...and even if you do think it why is it some kind of personal attack on Kobe? We will all debate this until we die and there will be others (Wemby etc) that may crack this list. It's not an affront to Wilts legacy if anyone decides Wemby is a better center 20 years from now as an example

I just use Wilt since he's dead.

 

[raptorlife4]

 

[Stakesarehigh]

I didn't see the game but isn't Toronto running a small lineup

 

[raptorlife4]

 

[fightinfunbags]

Are the Browns in the NBA?

If the Browns were in the NBA they’d be a 60 win team. Nobody has jump shot range like Joe Flacco. Jim Schwartz likes to play makes and misses with man and zone and the offense doesn’t know what hit it. If the Browns were in the NBA Kevin Stefanski would be coach of the year.

Signed,
Wiggy

 

[fightinfunbags]

I don't even think of Kobe in terms of best ever.

there is a clear 2

MJ
LBJ

then

Kareem


then you get a mixed bag of

Wilt
Magic
Bird
Hakeem (imo)
Duncan
Kobe
Steph
Shaq

Where’s Embiid? WTF!

 

[bksballer89]

I didn't see the game but isn't Toronto running a small lineup

 

[tlance]

Where’s Embiid? WTF!

Exactly where Steph was 6-7 years ago.

The outside looking in.

 

[fightinfunbags]

Exactly where Steph was 6-7 years ago.

The outside looking in.

Yours probably was too but my post was sarcastic

 

[tlance]

Yours probably was too but my post was sarcastic

I know.

Not impossible for Embiid to get to that level.

2 more MVPs and a couple titles puts him at that level.

Very unlikely, not impossible.

 

[eaglesnut]

some of that comes down to are you talking achievements or stats or straight up skill? Mostly its lebron fans that insist lebron must be the best ever so to do so diminish kobe. all the team jumping chasing better teams has an asterisk in my opinion.the team jumping by lebron is a big asterisk. if all the players jumped team to teams chasing easiest path to rings a whole grip of players would have 5 rings. imagine kobe jumped on the spurs or the jazz.

Nailed it. Such a perfect take by you.

 

[shopson67]

Cavs are a middling team when Allen does not play the last 2 seasons....but can do OK without Garland, Mobley, Mitchell or even all 3 for short stretches.

Poor big depth and Mobley doesn't play big whatsoever.