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The 2021 NFL Draft Thread.

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After seeing Ruggs flop a little bit in Vegas last year, it does make me wonder how many teams can actually properly utilize someone like Waddle in this draft. I like Waddle a lot but I'm not sure I love the fit on a lot of these teams picking earlier in the draft compared to the other top WRs on the board.
I’m not too worried, I believe he's #2 WR in this class and should go around pick #10. To me Waddle is a fair bit better than Ruggs. Waddle has the Ruggs speed plus the Hill like twichiness, great after the catch skills, good route running and can high point the football.
 

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I’m not too worried, I believe he's #2 WR in this class and should go around pick #10. To me Waddle is a fair bit better than Ruggs. Waddle has the Ruggs speed plus the Hill like twichiness, great after the catch skills, good route running and can high point the football.
I like Waddle more than Ruggs, too, although I might be biased because about 1/4 of Waddles highlights involve making plays against Mizzou. The main difference between the two is that I feel like Waddle has a more developed move set for making players miss in the open field.

I'm not writing off Ruggs entirely, though. The Raiders offense was better when Ruggs was there just due to spacing and while the Raiders didnt take as many deep shots they were really effective when they did. If he has another underwhelming year next year then maybe I'll think poorly of that pick.
 

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That really tells you how far the WR position has come in the last 10 years. Used to be that you NEVER expected anything from a rookie WR.

I hardly ever saw the Raiders this last year so I have no idea how he looked. But I wouldnt get too down on a slow rookie year. Rugg's most comparable player would be Tyreek Hill and he did about as good as Hill did as a rookie. I am still not sure how Hill was ever held to under 10 ypc average. You look at the player he is today and you would say that isnt even possible.

Especially for a year with a vastly reduced preseason. Everything about this past year is an outlier in a way.
 

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Trevor Lawrence going to the Jaguars feels a bit like Blake Griffin going to the Clippers. Really high profile guy going to what is basically a cursed team. I don't feel like the Jaguars get enough credit for being a dumpster fire of a franchise.

In the past 13 years, the Jaguars have finished last in their division 7 times, third place 4 times, second place 1 time, and first place 1 time. They've only won more than 8 games once in the past 13 years but that was a pretty memorable year so its easy to think that they get back. They can make some FA moves.

Still....if I was Lawrence I would try to go to a different team. My .02. I don't think Lawrence is that much of a can't miss prospect that a team drafting poorly for a decade won't kill his career.
 

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Trevor Lawrence going to the Jaguars feels a bit like Blake Griffin going to the Clippers. Really high profile guy going to what is basically a cursed team. I don't feel like the Jaguars get enough credit for being a dumpster fire of a franchise.

In the past 13 years, the Jaguars have finished last in their division 7 times, third place 4 times, second place 1 time, and first place 1 time. They've only won more than 8 games once in the past 13 years but that was a pretty memorable year so its easy to think that they get back. They can make some FA moves.

Still....if I was Lawrence I would try to go to a different team. My .02. I don't think Lawrence is that much of a can't miss prospect that a team drafting poorly for a decade won't kill his career.
Probably why they made the flashy move to get Urban, draft TL and try to change some things...college to NFL coaches usually don’t work so this could end up being a disaster move. Very small chance it works out though, they just need to do better managing their players and getting good targets in FA
 

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Urb should make it a circus and Bring Tebow back to the Sunshine State for some Wildcat and jumps passes. :2cents:
 

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Wilson over Mac Jones is easy. Arm talent and mobility.

I still remember ranking the 2018 QBs in this order:

1. Baker Mayfield
2. Josh Rosen
3. Lamar Jackson
4. Sam Darnold
5. Josh Allen

...and Josh Allen might end up being one of the best players in the NFL for the next decade. There is only so much we know about QB prospects as fans and even then we're often wrong. Its up to them to develop.

The only person, as far as I can tell, who accurately give QB rankings is Chris Simms. I find him a bit annoying but he is by far the best QB analyst in the business right now...or the luckiest.
It's important to evaluate quarterbacks based on their SKILL SET, not the team they played on. Allen placed #5 on many of these fan sites because he went to a MWC school and didn't put up the eye-popping stats in college. Allen's production was hindered by the fact he didn't have great material to work with and typically didn't throw the ball more than 30 times a game.

Mahomes wasn't seen as a top 10 pick, when he got out of college. Many pointed to the Big-12 curse for not drafting him. But when you looked at the skill set -- the big arm, the ability to make complex throws flawlessly -- were obviously there.
 

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It's important to evaluate quarterbacks based on their SKILL SET, not the team they played on. Allen placed #5 on many of these fan sites because he went to a MWC school and didn't put up the eye-popping stats in college. Allen's production was hindered by the fact he didn't have great material to work with and typically didn't throw the ball more than 30 times a game.

Mahomes wasn't seen as a top 10 pick, when he got out of college. Many pointed to the Big-12 curse for not drafting him. But when you looked at the skill set -- the big arm, the ability to make complex throws flawlessly -- were obviously there.
Problem is it doesn’t always work like that...that’s why it’s a crapshoot at times. Josh Allen changed his throwing motion, footwork everything and pretty much did something nobody has ever done before in NFL history. The best and fastest turnaround in NFL history going from a very inaccurate QB with bad form to a very accurate QB with good form. So really when teams passed over Allen it was for good reason, the mechanics weren’t there and if it wasn’t for a 360 turnaround he would still have those issues.
Of course you have to look at skill set but using Allen as an example is like saying there will be another 6th round pick to succeed like Brady. One in a million.
 

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Problem is it doesn’t always work like that...that’s why it’s a crapshoot at times. Josh Allen changed his throwing motion, footwork everything and pretty much did something nobody has ever done before in NFL history. The best and fastest turnaround in NFL history going from a very inaccurate QB with bad form to a very accurate QB with good form. So really when teams passed over Allen it was for good reason, the mechanics weren’t there and if it wasn’t for a 360 turnaround he would still have those issues.
Of course you have to look at skill set but using Allen as an example is like saying there will be another 6th round pick to succeed like Brady. One in a million.
Josh allen is THE exception. Ive at my words on him. For every josh allen theres 20 +kyle bollers
 

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Anybody else remember Josh Rosen telling the world that all teams who passed up on him will pay?

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha what a tool.
 

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Anybody else remember Josh Rosen telling the world that all teams who passed up on him will pay?

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha what a tool.
Remember Haskins “the league done messed up”. Oops
 

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I think if I was to have a Big Board top 10 right now in terms of value and talent, I'd go:

1. Trevor Lawrence
2. Penei Sewell
3. Zach Wilson
4. Justin Fields
5. Kyle Pitts
6. Ja'marr Chase
7. Jeremiah Owusu-Koramoah
8. Caleb Farley
9. Jaylen Waddle
10. Micah Parsons

7 offensive players seems like a bit much but thats what Im seeing so far.
 
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