Texans doing their best to suck for years to come

[tlance]

Plus Tunstil is not even close to the player Mack is. Im comparing the Bears trade. The they let Clowney go for nothing. When they could of gotten a 3rd comp pick next year when he leaves in FA. Sorry pal this is the worst. To give up that capital for an average to good LT and lose your best defensive player for nothing.

It is not good.

But there is a long list of GM moves worse than this.

My personal favorite:

The Bucks actually traded up to draft a kicker in the 2nd round. And that kicker really sucked. He only lasted 1 season.

As for the Cousins thing?

Yeah, the Redskins got a 3rd.

But had the traded him at peak value they could have gotten multiple firsts or perhaps the #2 pick from San Fran.

And if they were really smart?

They could have traded Cousins to San Francisco. Then traded down accumulating more picks and drafted either Watson or Mahomes.

But no.

Instead they failed to extend him, failed to trade him and let him walk for a single compensatory pick.

That failure set the Redskins back a more than either of these trades hurt Houston.

The difference in value between the #2 pick and the third rounder the Skins got is greater than the value of all the picks the Texans gave up. And that is before even factoring in that the Texans got a couple good players.

The mistake, as you said was in not extending Tunsil.

Very far from the worst GM move ever. The Redskins alone have probably made 5 worse than this since Snyder took over.

 

[skinsdad62]

It is not good.

But there is a long list of GM moves worse than this.

My personal favorite:

The Bucks actually traded up to draft a kicker in the 2nd round. And that kicker really sucked. He only lasted 1 season.

As for the Cousins thing?

Yeah, the Redskins got a 3rd.

But had the traded him at peak value they could have gotten multiple firsts or perhaps the #2 pick from San Fran.

And if they were really smart?

They could have traded Cousins to San Francisco. Then traded down accumulating more picks and drafted either Watson or Mahomes.

But no.

Instead they failed to extend him, failed to trade him and let him walk for a single compensatory pick.

That failure set the Redskins back a more than either of these trades hurt Houston.

The difference in value between the #2 pick and the third rounder the Skins got is greater than the value of all the picks the Texans gave up. And that is before even factoring in that the Texans got a couple good players.

The mistake, as you said was in not extending Tunsil.

Very far from the worst GM move ever. The Redskins alone have probably made 5 worse than this since Snyder took over.

the skins should have signed KC period . that ASS trade was a huge mistake

 

[RobToxin]

They made the trade without even talking extension with Tunsil. They just gave Tunsil a blank check. When Mack got traded to the Bears he was signed long term. To give up that draft capital and not have the guy signed long term is probably the worst mistake in GM NFL history.

We wouldn't have gotten that deal for TW. Plus the Texans are complete imbeciles!!!.

fify

 

[deanpet21]

It is not good.

But there is a long list of GM moves worse than this.

My personal favorite:

The Bucks actually traded up to draft a kicker in the 2nd round. And that kicker really sucked. He only lasted 1 season.

As for the Cousins thing?

Yeah, the Redskins got a 3rd.

But had the traded him at peak value they could have gotten multiple firsts or perhaps the #2 pick from San Fran.

And if they were really smart?

They could have traded Cousins to San Francisco. Then traded down accumulating more picks and drafted either Watson or Mahomes.

But no.

Instead they failed to extend him, failed to trade him and let him walk for a single compensatory pick.

That failure set the Redskins back a more than either of these trades hurt Houston.

The difference in value between the #2 pick and the third rounder the Skins got is greater than the value of all the picks the Texans gave up. And that is before even factoring in that the Texans got a couple good players.

The mistake, as you said was in not extending Tunsil.

Very far from the worst GM move ever. The Redskins alone have probably made 5 worse than this since Snyder took over.

But the Bucs didn't give up that kind of draft capital to get that K. Im not getting into the KC situation again. there are so many factors there. Bottom line is that you don't give up what the Texans gave up for a guy who is not top at his position and not even guaranteed you will retain his rights next year. There is a very strong possibility that Tunsil could walk next year after giving up 2 first round and a 2nd round pick in the draft. that's insane. Sorry this move is the worst.

 

[chillerdab]

Not sure why there’s an argument.

The Texans are not going to challenge the Chargers, Chiefs, or Patriots for best team in the AFC. They simply arent that good.

They made moves that made their team worse in the short term AND the long term.

Tunsil can only block one side, and they texans gave away draft capital to draft a well regarded replacement for two straight years.

To get fleeced by two teams, in two straight deals - on two straight days no less - is pretty hard to do.

Letting Clowney go for LESS than what they would have gotten if they held on to him is equally impressive.

Telegraphing to the league that you are trying to trade Clowney, thereby lowering your bargaining position is spectacular ineptitude.

The Redskins front office is bad, but the Texans one is significantly worse.

 

[Sportster 72]

The Texans have been 1st in their division 3 out of the last 4 years. Clowney wanted Mack/Miller type money for Orakpo stats. Hell that is fair to Orakpo. Clowney has never had 10 sacks in a season.

 

[tlance]

But the Bucs didn't give up that kind of draft capital to get that K. Im not getting into the KC situation again. there are so many factors there. Bottom line is that you don't give up what the Texans gave up for a guy who is not top at his position and not even guaranteed you will retain his rights next year. There is a very strong possibility that Tunsil could walk next year after giving up 2 first round and a 2nd round pick in the draft. that's insane. Sorry this move is the worst.

The Bucs gave up draft capital to move up to the second in order to draft a player they could have taken in the 4th.

And he sucked anyway.

Signing Albert Haynesworth with $41 million guaranteed was worse.

Trading a 2nd and 4th for McNabb was worse. Because obviously the Eagles don’t deal him to a division rival if he has anything left.

The Tunsil trade isn’t even that bad if the end up extending him at some point. Which they probably will.

 

[Sportster 72]

The Bucs gave up draft capital to move up to the second in order to draft a player they could have taken in the 4th.

And he sucked anyway.

Signing Albert Haynesworth with $41 million guaranteed was worse.

Trading a 2nd and 4th for McNabb was worse. Because obviously the Eagles don’t deal him to a division rival if he has anything left.

The Tunsil trade isn’t even that bad if the end up extending him at some point. Which they probably will.

Houston needs to protect Watson which was a problem last year. I would consider the worse move was not making a deal like that for Trent. The Redskins FO could still prove me wrong on that point if Trent plays or they make a similar move for Trent. As I said last night and a week or so ago I would not pay Clowney the money he is asking for, he hasn't proved to be worth it.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

Houston needs to protect Watson which was a problem last year. I would consider the worse move was not making a deal like that for Trent. The Redskins FO could still prove me wrong on that point if Trent plays or they make a similar move for Trent. As I said last night and a week or so ago I would not pay Clowney the money he is asking for, he hasn't proved to be worth it.

Yep & the Clowney situation really had a lot of shaky conditions. For starters Clowney had to approve the trade because of the tag. Also - any team would only be getting him for one season - no deal ould be made beyond that until after the season. Let's say he agreed to be traded to Redskins. In theory they could unofficially agree that he will play in DC long term, but then any number of things could cause him to change his mind. To hell with that.

 

[deanpet21]

The Bucs gave up draft capital to move up to the second in order to draft a player they could have taken in the 4th.

And he sucked anyway.

Signing Albert Haynesworth with $41 million guaranteed was worse.

Trading a 2nd and 4th for McNabb was worse. Because obviously the Eagles don’t deal him to a division rival if he has anything left.

The Tunsil trade isn’t even that bad if the end up extending him at some point. Which they probably will.

That's the whole point you don't know if Tunsil will sign with the Texans long term. that's why its a joke trade. At the time AH was at the top of his game the money was right at that time. When you trade for a vet QB that's what the value is.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

That's the whole point you don't know if Tunsil will sign with the Texans long term. that's why its a joke trade. At the time AH was at the top of his game the money was right at that time. When you trade for a vet QB that's what the value is.

Please - don't ever try to defend the Fat Al acquisition. It was just a bad move period. If the Skins didn't have concerns about his character then they were blind & anyone getting that kind of up front $$ better be not only a great talent but also flawless otherwise.

 

[gkekoa]

If we passed anything resembling that offer up, we deserve to never win another game.

 

[deanpet21]

Please - don't ever try to defend the Fat Al acquisition. It was just a bad move period. If the Skins didn't have concerns about his character then they were blind & anyone getting that kind of up front $$ better be not only a great talent but also flawless otherwise.

I agree with you but that was the going rate at that time

 

[chillerdab]

The Texans have been 1st in their division 3 out of the last 4 years. Clowney wanted Mack/Miller type money for Orakpo stats. Hell that is fair to Orakpo. Clowney has never had 10 sacks in a season.

Weak division. Anybody there won a superbowl, ever? Been to a super bowl recently?

Jags, Titans, Texans, Colts?

Colts won one with Manning. Anybody else? Titans with McNair got to one. Jags were good two years ago but couldnt get past Brady.

OTOH, first place is first place.

 

[chillerdab]

Both front offices are bad, for all the reasons listed.

The Texans front office is bad. Plain and simple.

The redskins front office is also bad. And historically so:

Haynesworth
Archeletta
Spurrier
Zorn
McNabb
Deion Sanders
Cousins
Alex Smith

The lost goes on and on.

But the Texans got abused in these trades.

 

[Sportster 72]

Seems like the Texans gave up a lot for the tackle. I still don't have a problem with Clowney, he wanted a lot more than he was worth and I would not have tagged him.

 

[tlance]

That's the whole point you don't know if Tunsil will sign with the Texans long term. that's why its a joke trade. At the time AH was at the top of his game the money was right at that time. When you trade for a vet QB that's what the value is.

I get it.

It was a bad move. Not arguing to the contrary.

But you calling this Texans trade “the worst GM move of all time”

Is an absolutely incredible exaggeration of a run of the mill bad move That might eventually work out anyway for the Texans.

As for AH? Most teams were not willing to pay him what he wanted because he had major character concerns.

And McNabb? Again, it was an overpay for a QB who was cooked. And the Eagles knew it. 0% chance they trade McNabb in the division if he had anything left.

Both moves were obviously terrible to objective parties at the time they were made.

 

[chillerdab]

You are correct. That wasnt the worst GM move of all time.

Haynesworth was, due to the fact that he flat out sucked, AND (I think this is correct) the maneuvering they did to pay him his bloated salary during the no-cap year cost the skins some high draft picks.

Fucking redskins shitty gm.

 

[Breed]

Why the Pro Bowl is a joke. And this is just in the last couple years.

This year 2 Colts players, DT DeForest Buckner and ST player George Odom didn't make the Pro Bowl yet were voted 1st team All Pro.

Last year Colts LB Darius Leonard didn't make the Pro Bowl, but was voted 1dt team All Pro.

2018 - 7 players not named to Pro Bowl are named 1st team All pro Seven first-team All-Pros were snubbed by the Pro Bowl - ProFootballTalk

Bills safety Jordan Poyer didn't make the Pro Bowl...why not is the biggest question.

Five Bills named to Pro Bowl, but safety Jordan Poyer was snubbed in the voting

www.msn.com

 

[Breed]

Two Weeks of Chaos for Deshaun Watson and the Texans

An embattled exec scrambled to keep his job, and a frustrated quarterback could slip away as the franchise’s future hangs in the balance.

www.si.com