SportsHoopla's top 10 NBA players

[ericd7633]

1. Michael Jordan
2. Kareem Adbul Jabaar
3. Lebron James
4. Shaq
5. Tim Duncan
6. Magic Johnson
7. Larry Bird
8. Wilt Chamberlain
9. Hakeem Olajuwon
10. David Robinson

 

[Bojack_Horseman]

How can you have Durant over Kobe at this point of his career? lol

4th all time in PPG (Kobe is 12th)
8th all time in PER (Kobe is 23rd)
9th in Win Shares/48 (Kobe is 56th)

Even in career win shares, Kobe is 15th and Durant 44th. If KD averages 12/season like he did last year, he'll pass Kobe in 6 years. KD is 28.

The NBA hasn't seen anybody with the combo of skills like KD. Name me one other player ever who has been 7' with that length who can shoot the 3, rebound, pass, handle, and score like KD.

Kobe played until he was 37 - he had one 15+ win share season in his entire career. KD has put up a 16.1, 18.9 and 19.2 already.

So based on his unique skillset, his career achievements to date and his expected output over the next 6 seasons, I'm pretty comfortable saying that KD is a top-10 all time NBA player.

If he retires at 34 (3 years less than Kobe) he should be past Kobe in every meaningful career statistic.

 

[Vyle203]

4th all time in PPG (Kobe is 12th)
8th all time in PER (Kobe is 23rd)
9th in Win Shares/48 (Kobe is 56th)

Even in career win shares, Kobe is 15th and Durant 44th. If KD averages 12/season like he did last year, he'll pass Kobe in 6 years. KD is 28.

The NBA hasn't seen anybody with the combo of skills like KD. Name me one other player ever who has been 7' with that length who can shoot the 3, rebound, pass, handle, and score like KD.

Kobe played until he was 37 - he had one 15+ win share season in his entire career. KD has put up a 16.1, 18.9 and 19.2 already.

So based on his unique skillset, his career achievements to date and his expected output over the next 6 seasons, I'm pretty comfortable saying that KD is a top-10 all time NBA player.

If he retires at 34 (3 years less than Kobe) he should be past Kobe in every meaningful career statistic.

Yea but you're forgetting 2 things:

1. He doesn't have the rings, which is bad.

2. He left to try to get the rings, which is also bad.

Poor guy never had a chance.

 

[TJL]

Updated to add the last 4 entries

1. MJ
points for - 272
Highest ranking - 1
lowest ranking - 3
on 28/28 top 10s
Number 1 votes - 23

2. KAJ
points for - 233
Highest ranking - 1
lowest ranking - 5
on 28/28 top 10s
Number 1 votes - 3

3. Magic
points for -214
Highest ranking -1
Lowest ranking - 6
on 28/28 top 10s
Number 1 votes -1

4. LeBron
points for - 188
Highest ranking - 2
lowest ranking - 9

5. Wilt
points for - 122
Highest ranking - 4
on 27/28 top 10s

6. Bird
points for - 121
Highest ranking - 2
on 26/28 tops 10s

7. Shaq
points for - 98
Highest ranking - 4
24/28 tops 10s

8. Duncan
points for - 76
Highest ranking - 5
20/28 top 10s

9. Hakeem
points for - 57
Highest ranking - 3
20/28 top 10s

10. Oscar Robertson
points for - 41
highest ranking - 4
14/28 top 10s

11. Bill Russell
points for - 35
Highest ranking - 1
7/28 top 10s
Number one votes - 1

12. Kobe
points for - 32
highest ranking - 7
7/28 top 10s

13. Dr J
points for - 24
Highest ranking - 6
10/24 top 10s

14. David Robinson
points for - 5
highest ranking - 7
2/28 top 10s

T15. Kevin Durant
points for - 2
highest ranking - 9
1/28 top 10s

T15. Moses Malone
points for - 2
Highest ranking - 9
1/28 top 10s

T17. Elvin Hayes
points for - 1
highest ranking - 10
1/28 top 10s

T17. Kevin Garnett

points for - 1
highest ranking - 10
1/28 top 10s

 

[TJL]

4th all time in PPG (Kobe is 12th)
8th all time in PER (Kobe is 23rd)
9th in Win Shares/48 (Kobe is 56th)

Even in career win shares, Kobe is 15th and Durant 44th. If KD averages 12/season like he did last year, he'll pass Kobe in 6 years. KD is 28.

The NBA hasn't seen anybody with the combo of skills like KD. Name me one other player ever who has been 7' with that length who can shoot the 3, rebound, pass, handle, and score like KD.

Kobe played until he was 37 - he had one 15+ win share season in his entire career. KD has put up a 16.1, 18.9 and 19.2 already.

So based on his unique skillset, his career achievements to date and his expected output over the next 6 seasons, I'm pretty comfortable saying that KD is a top-10 all time NBA player.

If he retires at 34 (3 years less than Kobe) he should be past Kobe in every meaningful career statistic.

He should, but he hasn't yet.

So you're basing this off of what you think he's going to do? That's cool (not sarcasm), this top 10 is completely open for interpretation so if you feel KD will finish a top 10 player and want to put him there that's up to you.

 

[Shaqdaddy11]

4th all time in PPG (Kobe is 12th)
8th all time in PER (Kobe is 23rd)
9th in Win Shares/48 (Kobe is 56th)

Even in career win shares, Kobe is 15th and Durant 44th. If KD averages 12/season like he did last year, he'll pass Kobe in 6 years. KD is 28.

The NBA hasn't seen anybody with the combo of skills like KD. Name me one other player ever who has been 7' with that length who can shoot the 3, rebound, pass, handle, and score like KD.

Kobe played until he was 37 - he had one 15+ win share season in his entire career. KD has put up a 16.1, 18.9 and 19.2 already.

So based on his unique skillset, his career achievements to date and his expected output over the next 6 seasons, I'm pretty comfortable saying that KD is a top-10 all time NBA player.

If he retires at 34 (3 years less than Kobe) he should be past Kobe in every meaningful career statistic.

KD has yet to go through his declining years. Kobes PPG, win share and PER dropped a lot in his last 3 years.

Compare stats up until the age of 29 and tell me who the better player is.

 

[trojanfan12]

Nothing.

None of that has anything to do with basketball.

To be fair, you didn't say it had to be basketball reasons.

I demand a recount.

 

[Bojack_Horseman]

Yea but you're forgetting 2 things:

1. He doesn't have the rings, which is bad.

2. He left to try to get the rings, which is also bad.

Poor guy never had a chance.

By that rationale, Lebron is also doomed because he doesn't have the rings of some other all-time greats, and he left to try to get the rings.

Makes no sense.

 

[Bojack_Horseman]

He should, but he hasn't yet.

So you're basing this off of what you think he's going to do? That's cool (not sarcasm), this top 10 is completely open for interpretation so if you feel KD will finish a top 10 player and want to put him there that's up to you.

I feel like if KD retired today, it would be a David Robinson situation, and he would be undervalued as an all-time great but his PER/per48/rate stats would be top-10 all-time.

Stat accumulation doesn't define greatness to me.

 

[Vyle203]

By that rationale, Lebron is also doomed because he doesn't have the rings of some other all-time greats, and he left to try to get the rings.

Makes no sense.

You're right, it makes no sense.

And I don't think it will necessarily keep him off of top 10 lists when his career is over, but I think it will be taken into consideration.

 

[Bojack_Horseman]

KD has yet to go through his declining years. Kobes PPG, win share and PER dropped a lot in his last 3 years.

Compare stats up until the age of 29 and tell me who the better player is.

I'll just compare first 10 seasons in the NBA.

Durant 27.2 PPG
Kobe 23.6 PPG

Durant 25.2 PER
Kobe 22.2 PER

Durant .219 WS/48
Kobe .206 WS/48

Next?

 

[trojanfan12]

By that rationale, Lebron is also doomed because he doesn't have the rings of some other all-time greats, and he left to try to get the rings.

Makes no sense.

If things keep going as they have been, I think that the leaving teams thing won't be used against guys as much.

When the players that most seem to rank ahead of Lebron (MJ, Kareem, Magic) were playing, FA wasn't what it is now and leaving your team wasn't as common as it is today.

Now, we are seeing guys leave teams while still in their prime to chase rings or because they would just rather play someplace else. As time goes by and more players do it, it'll become more of the norm (or at least happen enough that it feels like the norm) and won't be counted against them so much.

 

[tlance]

KD has yet to go through his declining years. Kobes PPG, win share and PER dropped a lot in his last 3 years.

Compare stats up until the age of 29 and tell me who the better player is.

I don't think anybody other than you penalized players for their declining years. Everybody declines. Players who last longer at their peak get bonus points (Kareem) Players who decline early and have short peaks lose points (Shaq). Players who go through natural evolution and are not the same at the end game shouldn't lose anything (Just about every great player).

 

[jon2tanman]

I wonder what Kareems stats would have been like if he went straight into the NBA.

 

[Shaqdaddy11]

I'll just compare first 10 seasons in the NBA.

Durant 27.2 PPG
Kobe 23.6 PPG

Durant 25.2 PER
Kobe 22.2 PER

Durant .219 WS/48
Kobe .206 WS/48

Next?

Championships?

 

[Shaqdaddy11]

I don't think anybody other than you penalized players for their declining years. Everybody declines. Players who last longer at their peak get bonus points (Kareem) Players who decline early and have short peaks lose points (Shaq). Players who go through natural evolution and are not the same at the end game shouldn't lose anything (Just about every great player).

Really? Because a lot of people are comparing the stats of KD and lebron, who are currently still in their prime, against a guy like Kobe who had to suffer through four injury ridden final years.

Who do you think is going to come up top?

 

[tlance]

Championships?

Coming soon.

 

[Shaqdaddy11]

Coming soon.

We're comparing first 10 years. There is no 'coming soon'.

Saying KD is better than Kobe was is just laughable. But hey, that's just my opinion

 

[tlance]

Really? Because a lot of people are comparing the stats of KD and lebron, who are currently still in their prime, against a guy like Kobe who had to suffer through four injury ridden final years.

Who do you think is going to come up top?

Some try to compare career totals. Who do you think wins that? The player who is retired or the 32 year old?

The way you compare is by looking at the player's best years. LeBron's best are better than Kobe's best.

 

[Shaqdaddy11]

Some try to compare career totals. Who do you think wins that? The player who is retired or the 32 year old?

The way you compare is by looking at the player's best years. LeBron's best are better than Kobe's best.

Yes they are. Are KDs?