So glad we decided.....

[ehb5]

The problem is, every draft there is ALWAYS a QB that gets hyped into the top ten. Rarely are they actually WORTHY of the pick. QB is the one position above all others that teams and more importantly fan bases are willing to reach for. IF our last QB draft tells you anything its that the prospect of a franchise guy trumps any reservations and once a team (and god forbid this fanbase) falls in love with one of these guys, logic goes out the window. And while I HOPE SMGM can control Danny, some times Dollars do override logic.

I don't disagree with any of that really. Doesn't mean the qbs available will be busts or reaches but yes a lot of qbs get pushed up boards because they're qbs. Now trading up is one thing but if an RG3 level prospect is there we better draft him. Not trade up for him but draft him.

 

[ehb5]

Then through all this debating, you agree with us? It is better to spend those picks on other holes, make the rest of the team strong, and pick up a QB in later rounds. The cost isn't sort the move up for anyone not named Brady, Peyton, or Aaron or luck

I think I'm putting more of an emphasis on trying to find a qb in say the first round but if you can't do it you can't do it. Obviously then you'd draft somebody else. I highly doubt a mid to late round qb will work though.

Also, were you arguing with me because you thought I wanted to trade up? I specifically said I didn't want to multiple times.

 

[Sharkinva]

I don't disagree with any of that really. Doesn't mean the qbs available will be busts or reaches but yes a lot of qbs get pushed up boards because they're qbs. Now trading up is one thing but if an RG3 level prospect is there we better draft him. Not trade up for him but draft him.

Fuck that.. if the next RG3 is there and we have a top ten pick... we better run for the hills. Spread QB with NO experience reading defenses and a playbook drawn up in a sand lot... and you really think we HAVE to draft him??

 

[j_y19]

I think I'm putting more of an emphasis on trying to find a qb in say the first round but if you can't do it you can't do it. Obviously then you'd draft somebody else. I highly doubt a mid to late round qb will work though.

Also, were you arguing with me because you thought I wanted to trade up? I specifically said I didn't want to multiple times.

So that's the rub. To get a top QB, they usually go in the first few picks as hysteria sets in. Of course it depends on how deep the field is, but this next draft looks pretty sparse. Which will drive the price up even more. So unless we are the worst in the league, a trade up is most likely a requirement if you want a potential franchise QB (which I
Don't even see one in this next draft, but many will anoint cardale jones as the next Rothlesberger). I believe it is better to look for the sleeper, ala Russell Wilson, and leverage our high pick in a trade back for multiple less high picks and continuIng to fill our our roster with young playmakers. This is the point we have been arguing all along. Now when an Andrew luck or Peyton manning comes along, just hope you really suck the year before and fall into that pick. Otherwise plan on gutting your next 3 drafts to get him, if that is even possible.

 

[j_y19]

I don't disagree with any of that really. Doesn't mean the qbs available will be busts or reaches but yes a lot of qbs get pushed up boards because they're qbs. Now trading up is one thing but if an RG3 level prospect is there we better draft him. Not trade up for him but draft him.

Dude, RG3 is going to go down as the biggest bust in the history of the draft.

 

[Sharkinva]

Dude, RG3 is going to go down as the biggest bust in the history of the draft.

Biggest bust in the history of Man.

 

[Breed]

I don't disagree with any of that really. Doesn't mean the qbs available will be busts or reaches but yes a lot of qbs get pushed up boards because they're qbs. Now trading up is one thing but if an RG3 level prospect is there we better draft him. Not trade up for him but draft him.

Have you been huffing Griffin's vapors directly from his dookie chute again? Good grief man. Haven't we seen enough of that clown show already?

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

Also, were you arguing with me because you thought I wanted to trade up? I specifically said I didn't want to multiple times.

Yeah every one of us pimping the idea that we need to think about a QB has specifically said we were not in favor of trading up. So not sure why that question was introduced, we are all in agreement that we can't afford to do that.

To answer Shark's question earlier, and staying with the Rivers theme, I'm pretty sure we've got a good read on where Cousins and Griffin are at this point. At a similar point in his career Rivers, coming to the league with a 73% completion rate in college and having beaten out Flutie and Brees for the starting job, came into year 3 (not year 4) as the undisputed starter. So at this point in both of their careers there was a pretty good gap between Cousins and Rivers.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

Biggest bust in the history of Man.

Still trying to figure out where this fuck up ranks. Is Griffin a bigger bust then some that went #1 overall (Russell, Couch) considering he actually did something in the league? Was the trade worse than the Vikes trade for a non-QB Hershel Walker?

Maybe I'm just trying to make myself feel better but I don't think it was the worst trade or the worst pick. But I guess when you combine the 2 yeah the biggest fuck up in league history.

 

[j_y19]

Still trying to figure out where this fuck up ranks. Is Griffin a bigger bust then some that went #1 overall (Russell, Couch) considering he actually did something in the league? Was the trade worse than the Vikes trade for a non-QB Hershel Walker?

Maybe I'm just trying to make myself feel better but I don't think it was the worst trade or the worst pick. But I guess when you combine the 2 yeah the biggest fuck up in league history.

I think the cost to acquire the bust has to be factored in.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

I think the cost to acquire the bust has to be factored in.

Yup, that's why when you combine the 2 we're #1 baby!

 

[ehb5]

Dude, RG3 is going to go down as the biggest bust in the history of the draft.

And he was one of the best prospects of the last 15 years. Thats all i said.

 

[ehb5]

Lol clearly I shouldnt have used RG3 as the example cuz thats just gonna set people off. I just meant he was a really flashy QB prospect who was supposed to be the next big thing. He was a great QB prospect. He didnt work out. I just meant Im not passing on the next flashy college QB Heisman trophy winner just because RG3 busted

 

[ehb5]

So that's the rub. To get a top QB, they usually go in the first few picks as hysteria sets in. Of course it depends on how deep the field is, but this next draft looks pretty sparse. Which will drive the price up even more. So unless we are the worst in the league, a trade up is most likely a requirement if you want a potential franchise QB (which I
Don't even see one in this next draft, but many will anoint cardale jones as the next Rothlesberger). I believe it is better to look for the sleeper, ala Russell Wilson, and leverage our high pick in a trade back for multiple less high picks and continuIng to fill our our roster with young playmakers. This is the point we have been arguing all along. Now when an Andrew luck or Peyton manning comes along, just hope you really suck the year before and fall into that pick. Otherwise plan on gutting your next 3 drafts to get him, if that is even possible.

I think Im just more willing to take a QB in round 1. We probably have been arguing about a relatively small difference of opinion lol. I just dont have much faith in the "sleepers" as well.

 

[Sharkinva]

Lol clearly I shouldnt have used RG3 as the example cuz thats just gonna set people off. I just meant he was a really flashy QB prospect who was supposed to be the next big thing. He was a great QB prospect. He didnt work out. I just meant Im not passing on the next flashy college QB Heisman trophy winner just because RG3 busted

BUt this is exactly the problem. Going after the shiny new toy thats supposed to be the next big thing. When in fact we SHOULD pass on the next big thing because more often than not the next big thing does not live up to the hype and we generally end up worse for it.

 

[j_y19]

BUt this is exactly the problem. Going after the shiny new toy thats supposed to be the next big thing. When in fact we SHOULD pass on the next big thing because more often than not the next big thing does not live up to the hype and we generally end up worse for it.

Especially not a hiesman winner. Of the last 15, only a handful are still in the league and of QBs during that period, only Cam is doing anything.

 

[skinsdad62]

LOL Dad. They were 3-13. You are what your record says you are.

What you are doing is no different than rattling off the names of All Pros Ryan Kerrigan, Alfred Morris, Trent Williiams, solid pros like Keenan Robinson etc and claiming the Redskins have a solid base. Both teams sucked, the difference is NO got a QB the next year and were instant contenders.

well thanks for the cliche but the fact is the cub-bard wasnt bare as you pretend it was

 

[skinsdad62]

we can argue to the cows come home about elite qbs and not elite . you can cherry pick either way or redefine who is or isnt

the fact is elite qbs have been to super bowls and some avg and good ones and you can cherry pick what parts of history you want

but once you gone through that you are still back to square one , is there an elite qb in the up coming draft ?

i dont think so at this point so what do we do ?. roll the dice and pick a guy in round one and hope he is ? trade up ? or simply pick the qb at the round he is projected to go and focus on getting good players around the qb we have and when the elite guy comes in we are set

or do we draft some patsies and let the elite guys carry the patsies

to me common sense dictates building the LOS , get some playmakers and when our guy is there get him

 

[JonBlaze]

So if there's a non-flashy, Andrew Luck type QB, then you guys will be all in for tank mode or trading the farm for them? There's no exact science in determining what QBs will pan out. The only real fact in all of these arguments is that in order to be competitive on a regular basis, you'll need a very good QB. Maybe not all time, HoF type, but better than serviceable good.

I agree that building a solid foundation inside out is the best way to attack it. That will help any QB prospect succeed, regardless of when they are drafted.

 

[Sharkinva]

So if there's a non-flashy, Andrew Luck type QB, then you guys will be all in for tank mode or trading the farm for them? There's no exact science in determining what QBs will pan out. The only real fact in all of these arguments is that in order to be competitive on a regular basis, you'll need a very good QB. Maybe not all time, HoF type, but better than serviceable good.

I agree that building a solid foundation inside out is the best way to attack it. That will help any QB prospect succeed, regardless of when they are drafted.

IM never in tank mode. And as for trade the farm, If its a Luck/Manning type... i would be ok with trading up. So yes if there is a QB that comes from a pro style offense, with the ability to read defenses.. no pre-existing injury history and no signs of narcissism.... Sure go for it.

And while there is no exact science... I think we can all agree spread/option QBs with a history of injury or coming from a system that has ZERO basis in a pro style game should be avoided.