Sean Payton:Bill Belichik's whipping boy

[Brees#1]

I am just not happy about this deal. I am sick and tired of our organization always wanting to be like the pats.

 

[Sharkonabicycle]

I really don't understand why.

Saints have the #1 offense and two good receivers outside of Cooks in Snead and Thomas. Could argue Thomas is more valuable since he hauls in quite a few more receptions per target. While Snead gets the big yardage, I'd rather have a higher reception per target given it keeps the chains moving and your defense off the field.

The Saints will certainly take a bit of a hit offensively without Cooks but I imagine they'll still be top 10 easily (if not top 5).

What the Saints need to address is that horrid defense that seemed to never get back on track after Lynch ran over 9 of their defenders... which was about the last time I heard "WHO DAT?" because everyone knew who the Saints were then.

This is a defensive draft, and they may even have a shot to grab a QB with the late 1st/early 2nd to finally get a successor to Brees. They'll be able to focus entirely on D-Line, secondary and potentially QB with their first 3 EARLY picks, and then can focus on grabbing additional help in the linebacker and possibly guard positions (more helpful for Brees since he's shorter) with those 3rds.

One thing the Saints have lacked in recent years is a solid # of draft picks to actually BUILD up their roster.

2015 was quite a bit, but outside of that the last 5 or so years have been laughably light.

 

[bksballer89]

Not sure what Payton has to do with this. Last I check he is not the GM.

I feel a little better about the deal. I just hope the Saints don't screw up these 3 draft picks we have in the first 42 picks

 

[Brees#1]

I really don't understand why.

Saints have the #1 offense and two good receivers outside of Cooks in Snead and Thomas. Could argue Thomas is more valuable since he hauls in quite a few more receptions per target. While Snead gets the big yardage, I'd rather have a higher reception per target given it keeps the chains moving and your defense off the field.

The Saints will certainly take a bit of a hit offensively without Cooks but I imagine they'll still be top 10 easily (if not top 5).

What the Saints need to address is that horrid defense that seemed to never get back on track after Lynch ran over 9 of their defenders... which was about the last time I heard "WHO DAT?" because everyone knew who the Saints were then.

This is a defensive draft, and they may even have a shot to grab a QB with the late 1st/early 2nd to finally get a successor to Brees. They'll be able to focus entirely on D-Line, secondary and potentially QB with their first 3 EARLY picks, and then can focus on grabbing additional help in the linebacker and possibly guard positions (more helpful for Brees since he's shorter) with those 3rds.

One thing the Saints have lacked in recent years is a solid # of draft picks to actually BUILD up their roster.

2015 was quite a bit, but outside of that the last 5 or so years have been laughably light.

We signed Warford, a guard. That's taken care of. A top 10 offense with a HC who claims to be a offensive guru? No top ten is not good enough.

 

[Brees#1]

Not sure what Payton has to do with this. Last I check he is not the GM.

I feel a little better about the deal. I just hope the Saints don't screw up these 3 draft picks we have in the first 42 picks

Payton has been running the show, Mickey is only numbers.

 

[bksballer89]

Payton has been running the show, Mickey is only numbers.

Sure

 

[bksballer89]

I really don't understand why.

Saints have the #1 offense and two good receivers outside of Cooks in Snead and Thomas. Could argue Thomas is more valuable since he hauls in quite a few more receptions per target. While Snead gets the big yardage, I'd rather have a higher reception per target given it keeps the chains moving and your defense off the field.

The Saints will certainly take a bit of a hit offensively without Cooks but I imagine they'll still be top 10 easily (if not top 5).

What the Saints need to address is that horrid defense that seemed to never get back on track after Lynch ran over 9 of their defenders... which was about the last time I heard "WHO DAT?" because everyone knew who the Saints were then.

This is a defensive draft, and they may even have a shot to grab a QB with the late 1st/early 2nd to finally get a successor to Brees. They'll be able to focus entirely on D-Line, secondary and potentially QB with their first 3 EARLY picks, and then can focus on grabbing additional help in the linebacker and possibly guard positions (more helpful for Brees since he's shorter) with those 3rds.

One thing the Saints have lacked in recent years is a solid # of draft picks to actually BUILD up their roster.

2015 was quite a bit, but outside of that the last 5 or so years have been laughably light.

I'm not mad about losing Cooks. Thomas is better than him and Snead is good as well. Also picked up Ginn who can stretch the field with his speed just as Cooks did.

I feel like we had a better offer from Tennessee a few days ago if those reports were accurate.

 

[Sharkonabicycle]

We signed Warford, a guard. That's taken care of. A top 10 offense with a HC who claims to be a offensive guru? No top ten is not good enough.

I was just throwing out something. I HIGHLY doubt losing Cooks will make that offense go from #1 to #10... that's unless Brees heavily regresses in which case Cooks isn't going to save you anyway.

You literally could've SUBTRACTED Cooks' entire stat line from last season assuming the production went NOWHERE else and you still would've been top 12... and Brees is too good a QB for that to happen.

The #1 offense isn't helping you guys regardless, when you sport one of the worst defenses in the leagues. Cooks isn't going to help that either.

Be down about it all you want. As a Hawks fan with the Saints in my teams' conference, I would've preferred the Saints keeping Cooks and throwing 5 years $65M at him while they were at it.

 

[HaroldSeattle]

I was just throwing out something. I HIGHLY doubt losing Cooks will make that offense go from #1 to #10... that's unless Brees heavily regresses in which case Cooks isn't going to save you anyway.

You literally could've SUBTRACTED Cooks' entire stat line from last season assuming the production went NOWHERE else and you still would've been top 12... and Brees is too good a QB for that to happen.

The #1 offense isn't helping you guys regardless, when you sport one of the worst defenses in the leagues. Cooks isn't going to help that either.

Be down about it all you want. As a Hawks fan with the Saints in my teams' conference, I would've preferred the Saints keeping Cooks and throwing 5 years $65M at him while they were at it.

Don't always agree with you Shark, but do on this issue.

 

[Sharkonabicycle]

I'm not mad about losing Cooks. Thomas is better than him and Snead is good as well. Also picked up Ginn who can stretch the field with his speed just as Cooks did.

I feel like we had a better offer from Tennessee a few days ago if those reports were accurate.

Yah who knows... I'm always suspicious of those rumors.. and maybe Cooks told his agent if he did go to Tennessee over the Patriots he'd be leaving for free agency the following year... lot of that stuff behind the scenes we never hear about. Although Tennessee with Cyprien, top 10 pick thanks to Jared Goof (if they had traded the other 1st rounder) with LOADED secondary draft class which is what they so desperately need should make them a playoff contender in the weak AFC South.

 

[Brees#1]

I was just throwing out something. I HIGHLY doubt losing Cooks will make that offense go from #1 to #10... that's unless Brees heavily regresses in which case Cooks isn't going to save you anyway.

You literally could've SUBTRACTED Cooks' entire stat line from last season assuming the production went NOWHERE else and you still would've been top 12... and Brees is too good a QB for that to happen.

The #1 offense isn't helping you guys regardless, when you sport one of the worst defenses in the leagues. Cooks isn't going to help that either.

Be down about it all you want. As a Hawks fan with the Saints in my teams' conference, I would've preferred the Saints keeping Cooks and throwing 5 years $65M at him while they were at it.

I read an article on yahoo regarding someone saying something about Sherman beginning to decline. I don't think you can really say what you would prefer when your seahawks get lit up by a Lombardiless team and it appears they're a ways away from getting back to NFC dominance. No replacement for Beastmode and trying to utilize a offense that doesn't work.

Well that #1 offense looked like crap week 13 against Detroit. So the offense has not really been at its best. And if the saints get their wish with McCaffery and he turns out to be the Sproles replacement then the offense with Cooks would have been better than last year.

 

[Rex Racer]

Wow, didn't have to give up Butler to get this kid?

Could be that BB won't end up retaining Malcolm's services when it is all said and done, but for now I'm happy.

 

[bksballer89]

Wow, didn't have to give up Butler to get this kid?

Could be that BB won't end up retaining Malcolm's services when it is all said and done, but for now I'm happy.

They said the Saints may still acquire Butler in another deal

 

[Sharkonabicycle]

I read an article on yahoo regarding someone saying something about Sherman beginning to decline. I don't think you can really say what you would prefer when your seahawks get lit up by a Lombardiless team and it appears they're a ways away from getting back to NFC dominance. No replacement for Beastmode and trying to utilize a offense that doesn't work.

Well that #1 offense looked like crap week 13 against Detroit. So the offense has not really been at its best. And if the saints get their wish with McCaffery and he turns out to be the Sproles replacement then the offense with Cooks would have been better than last year.

Huh? Are you triggered or something, now? I can PREFER anything I want as a fan. Doesn't mean it's right, but I will say in this case, ask any NFL/ESPN analyst or just someone with a functioning brain, the Saints' issue is on defense. They have for YEARS had a great offense. They need draft picks to go GET defensive talent because they're not exactly in a great cap situation so they can't go spend money on free agents and usually that's not a winning formula anyway - especially since they're at the moment not a playoff contender (thus free agents go to get overpaid and fat and happy).

I have zero clue where your poke at the Seahawks let alone Sherman came from. Since we're talking what I'd 'prefer' it would obviously be paying more attention to the OLine and I think Seattle got a little too careless with spending money on the secondary (Lane especially) as I've communicated in various other posts, but is what it is.

One thing I CAN say, is Seattle is routinely in the playoffs, so they are doing something relatively right. Marching out a bottom 5 defense is not going to do anything for you... the Saints obviously get this and have enough offensive firepower and need to spend money and picks to shore up a defense to try and get a possible run out of Brees in the next few years.

 

[Rex Racer]

They said the Saints may still acquire Butler in another deal

I didn't listen to any sports radio today so I'm out of the loop. Any word on what might be coming back our way in that deal?

 

[bksballer89]

I didn't listen to any sports radio today so I'm out of the loop. Any word on what might be coming back our way in that deal?

Nope. No real offers I've seen. Just a tweet from Schefter saying they may still consider a trade for Butler later on. Guess we'll see

 

[Rex Racer]

Nope. No real offers I've seen. Just a tweet from Schefter saying they may still consider a trade for Butler later on. Guess we'll see

I hope he stays. He is a damn good cover corner, a sure tackler and a feisty kid.

 

[bksballer89]

I hope he stays. He is a damn good cover corner, a sure tackler and a feisty kid.

Yea exactly. It is exactly why I wanted us to do the Cooks for Butler deal instead of this. CB is one of our weakness positions. Would have been nice to get a solid cover corner like Butler.

 

[Sharkonabicycle]

Yea exactly. It is exactly why I wanted us to do the Cooks for Butler deal instead of this. CB is one of our weakness positions. Would have been nice to get a solid cover corner like Butler.

Well fortunately for you, this is probably the deepest and most featured secondary NFL draft I've seen..... ever? It's got more secondary talent/depth than even the 2010 combined (everyone declare!) draft, lol. At this point the extra picks, the fact you have a guaranteed lock up for 4 years, at a cheaper price, and a guy 4-5 years younger MIGHT just be the better option.

 

[Rex Racer]

Yea exactly. It is exactly why I wanted us to do the Cooks for Butler deal instead of this. CB is one of our weakness positions. Would have been nice to get a solid cover corner like Butler.

Can't blame you for that sentiment.

On my end I hope that Cooks can learn the NE offense. The playbook is pretty thick and the receivers have to know how to read the defense along with Brady so they can make the same adjustments he does. Some pretty talented guys have not been able to it. We'll see.