scherf VS williams

[gkekoa]

i am just wondering , since when has murphy been "historically bad " ? answer he has not . he has started 23 of 32 games as a 2nd round pick nuff said for historically bad

I am not sure anybody stated Murphy was historically bad. I did say KC was historically bad...meaning interceptions per pass attempt...

 

[deanpet21]

good point dgfan. Moses helped out Scherff this year big time by holding down the RT position so Scherff could excel at RG. No one sees that.

 

[Sharkinva]

good point dgfan. Moses helped out Scherff this year big time by holding down the RT position so Scherff could excel at RG. No one sees that.

Thats because the reality is, if Scherff was not versatile enough to play both positions, we would have signed some one to play RG and Moses would have been a backup. And if you look at the film, there are way more instances of Scherff helping out Moses than there are cases of Moses simply holding it down so the rookie wouldnt be overwhelmed.

 

[deanpet21]

Shark, I love how you discount the fact that Sherff got schooled in training camp at Rt by average pass rushers.

 

[Sharkinva]

Shark, I love how you discount the fact that Sherff got schooled in training camp at Rt by average pass rushers.

HE was a rookie, 3 or 4 days into training camp I expect any veteran pass rusher to give him his lumps. Hell Trent Williams was getting schooled his first few days of training camp. As was Samuels back in the day when he got drafted. Your undeniable mancrush for Morgan Moses simply does not allow you to accept the fact that he got the start because we moved the more versatile player inside. Moses started out camp hoping to be the backup swing tackle. He didnt battle his way into the starting role. He simply managed to be a better option than starting Long week one of the season.

 

[deanpet21]

Scherff got moved out way too early. Williams and Samuels did not have the struggles like Scherff had in training camp. If they really wanted Scherff to stay at RT why wouldn't they have him at least start a pre season game at RT to give him time to develop? You are so wrong about Moses. He was the better Rt and Scherff was the better guard.

 

[Sharkinva]

Scherff got moved out way too early. Williams and Samuels did not have the struggles like Scherff had in training camp. If they really wanted Scherff to stay at RT why wouldn't they have him at least start a pre season game at RT to give him time to develop? You are so wrong about Moses. He was the better Rt and Scherff was the better guard.

Because it was about getting the best five on the field. Why force the Long thing if you know you have a better group with Moses on the field. Trust me, if the two had faltered, it would not have been Scherff that got benched. And dont be shocked if we go into this off season with the same mentality of best five on the field. Moses better elevate his game because if we actually find a guard worth starting, Scherff will end up back at tackle.

 

[deanpet21]

The only guy that should be picked up for the oline is a starting center. Assuming if Lavou stays. Dark horse candidate for center is Reiter who is on the practice squad.

 

[j_y19]

Shark, I love how you discount the fact that Sherff got schooled in training camp at Rt by average pass rushers.

This has to be the most ridiculous statement I have seen on this board in a while. A rookie gets schooled by the likes of Ryan Kerrigan his first few days of practice and Dean extrapolates that to mean he can never play RT in the NFL. Dean, this is why your credibility takes a huge hit with many of us.

 

[deanpet21]

It wasn't Ryan Kerrigan that was schooling him. Of course he gets a free pass going against Kerrigan. It was Murphy and back up LB's like Jeffcoat and Williams at the time that were schooling him. You guys think I make this shit up. It was in the training camp articles. Im not sure if it was Tandler, roroworld, or ESPN.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

Dean's comment may have been a bit of hyperbowl but there is a lot of evidence that Scherff struggled, just as a lot of people predicted he would, at tackle in the NFL early in camp. The backup plan was to move him inside where to nobody's surprise he was very good. But again you don't draft a tackle, start him out at tackle, and then move him inside that early unless they saw something. Now part of that something was obviously Moses showed better early on. But again had Moses not developed, or failed to recover so well or got hurt again, there is a damn good chance Scherff would have stayed at right tackle. And is anyone ready to dispute that would not have worked out as well as Scherff at guard?

 

[gkekoa]

Another problem Dean faces is his refusal to talk about the GB game and how bad Moses was.

 

[deanpet21]

thanks you dgfan for your common sense to this issue. gk, yes Moses struggled in the GB game but I thought the sack fumble was on KC not Moses b/c he held it too long.

Yes Scherff would not of worked out as well at RT if Moses struggles b/c he doesn't have the foot speed to handle NFL rushers. That is why Moses development was huge for Scherff and SM to prop up his draft pick. It was Moses that solidified our line not Scherff.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

Oh I think it was a combination. There is no doubt Scherff was very good to borderline great. I got a kick out of watching him maul guys. Again my only point was the devolpment of Moses allowed Scherff to be moved to a position that he could excel at very early. Had Moses still been hurt and Scherff was left at RT because this team had no other options I think we would look back at the pick very differently

 

[Sportster 72]

Still beating this dead rabbit?

 

[gkekoa]

thanks you dgfan for your common sense to this issue. gk, yes Moses struggled in the GB game but I thought the sack fumble was on KC not Moses b/c he held it too long.

Yes Scherff would not of worked out as well at RT if Moses struggles b/c he doesn't have the foot speed to handle NFL rushers. That is why Moses development was huge for Scherff and SM to prop up his draft pick. It was Moses that solidified our line not Scherff.

The sack fumble was absolutely on Moses. He barely got a hand on Neal. The one late in the game, not so much. Moses also didn't block worth a damn in the run game. I will say they got zero push on Scherff.

Also, go back and watch the GB game and watch PS in the run game. Lost.

 

[deanpet21]

I will take your word for it. I didn't DVR the game. I just remember KC holding the ball for a long time.

 

[j_y19]

It wasn't Ryan Kerrigan that was schooling him. Of course he gets a free pass going against Kerrigan. It was Murphy and back up LB's like Jeffcoat and Williams at the time that were schooling him. You guys think I make this shit up. It was in the training camp articles. Im not sure if it was Tandler, roroworld, or ESPN.

Whop de fucking do. He was a rookie in his first few days of training camp going against vets and having just switched to the right side. Of course he is going to struggle. That doesn't mean he couldn't have overcome it. Do you know how bad your boy , Moses, struggled in his rookie camp? Hell, he almost got cut. But he overcame it. This is what everyone bashes you about. You have double standards. The guys you have man crushes on can do no wrong and get all the benefits of the doubt while the ones you think we're bad picks suck forever for minor mistakes. You can't say that Schreff would have failed as a tackle in the NFL based on his struggles in his first few days. And that's what you are trying to do.

 

[deanpet21]

Was Moses the 5th overall pick of the draft? No. Scherff is held more accountable b/c he was the 5th overall player in the draft. The immediate move to guard set up red flags with a lot of fans jy, not just me. There is no double standards, just calling it the way I see it.

 

[gkekoa]

I will take your word for it. I didn't DVR the game. I just remember KC holding the ball for a long time.

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