Redskins WR roles in flux under Jay Gruden

[Stymietee]

Honestly, I wish that those of you hanging on to the notion that Garcon is a game changing type WR would give it up. He is NOT!!! There is a reason that Washington targeted then signed DJax....#1 being that he is a game changer.... (a back breaker on any play, to be clear) That said, he then commands the lions share of targets, or to be the first option during a game. Garcon is an excellent player for what he offers, and accordingly, just might get more plays because of the presence of Jackson. Jackson on the other hand will never benefit because of the presence of Garcon, because he will forever be the guy that other teams intend to stop first. The question that Garcon has never answered is..........When the first option is taken away, can he win games given his skill set?[/QUOTE]


think Branch & Biletnikoff.....does not matter who can stretch the field, nor terms like game changer and first option. Garcon is darn good all around football player and I don't think he's second fiddle to Jackson.

BTW...teams win games...thanks

now back to your regularly scheduled program

Gee, imagine that!!!! Teams win games, who woulda thunk it?

I am one who actually saw Branch and Biletinikoff play, the idea that Branch could out-run the defenses and sometimes the ball not being a factor, is, to be kind, sort of like being a fan of the Cowboys instead of selecting a professional team to root for.(it's silly) While I agree with you about Garcon, last year was the exception to what's been true about this guy.

 

[j_y19]

Guess you kinda skipped over that little part of to OP's statement that read..... "It's conceivable that Garcon will be less of a featured player under Gruden, essentially sharing the role with D-Jax." Just in case you still don't know, the "featured" WR in this case means the #1 or go to guy.

Benefit of the doubt: This thread appears to be a continuation of previous conversations on the subject (P. Garcon being a #1 or not) it is possible that you did not remember this and saw it contextually as such.

No, I'm not familiar with the previous thread. But no where does the original OP state that Garcon is a game changer. Having said that, Garcon has the ability to change the way defenses play. He is a true possession receiver and a beast after the catch. Defenses will have to account for him, you imply he is not a threat which is just not true. Now with a real deep threat opposite him, my bet is he becomes even more of a threat to defenses. Last year he had 113 receptions while usually being double and triple teamed. While I don't think he will get 113 receptions this year, I do expect he will shred defenses in one on one coverage with multiple 8+ catch games and lead the team once again in catches. I also expect that DJax will lead the team in yds. Of course all this is dependent upon health.

 

[Stymietee]

I'll think for myself thank you. DJax is probably the fastest receiver on the team and he is one of highest YPC receivers in the game. He has never caught 100 balls. He ways a dollar nothing. He is has a great chance to be the Redskins leading big play receiver. Garçon is much bigger, had Griffin's confidence last year and has had his share of big plays. I think he will lead the team in targets again.

Amongst the reasons that anyone posts and re-posts on these sites one could reasonably include clarity. Happy to know that, you wish to think for yourself even though no one suggested or challenged your right to do so.

BTW: Garcon was bigger than Reggie Wayne too, still was the #2 in Indy. In as much as having Griffin's confidence last year goes, I'm pre-supposing you meant that he gained this confidence despite all of the other options the QB had.

It is possible that Garcon leads the team in receptions again this year, but they will come a lot easier because of the presence of Jackson. ( I believe that it's gonna be Reed if healthy as someone else mentioned)

 

[Stymietee]

No, I'm not familiar with the previous thread. But no where does the original OP state that Garcon is a game changer. Having said that, Garcon has the ability to change the way defenses play. He is a true possession receiver and a beast after the catch. Defenses will have to account for him, you imply he is not a threat which is just not true. Now with a real deep threat opposite him, my bet is he becomes even more of a threat to defenses. Last year he had 113 receptions while usually being double and triple teamed. While I don't think he will get 113 receptions this year, I do expect he will shred defenses in one on one coverage with multiple 8+ catch games and lead the team once again in catches. I also expect that DJax will lead the team in yds. Of course all this is dependent upon health.

That was my original point.

 

[j_y19]

That was my original point.

Interesting. I took your original point as one of Garcon was overrated and not a real threat. This whole debate if he is a No 1 is inconsequential. He was our No 1 last year and made defenses account for him. I'm not sure of a formal description of a No 1 WR, but he clearly is one of the better WRs in the league. Top 15 at least. That makes him No 1 material in my book.

 

[Stymietee]

Interesting. I took your original point as one of Garcon was overrated and not a real threat. This whole debate if he is a No 1 is inconsequential. He was our No 1 last year and made defenses account for him. I'm not sure of a formal description of a No 1 WR, but he clearly is one of the better WRs in the league. Top 15 at least. That makes him No 1 material in my book.

Then you've obviously misinterpreted my point and btw the point being made by this organization.

There are very few exceptions in this league at WR, where another player is signed with the skillset that Jackson has coupled with those that Garcon has, where the latter doesn't take a step back in favor of the former. Otherwise why sign the new guy? It's all about improvement.

OK let's say you're right and Garcon is a top 16 player in the bottom eight of that field. For the sake of argument, let's say that by some miracle the top 8 were paired with the bottom eight. Barring injury, under what scenario does a bottom eight player supplant a top eight player all other things being equal?

 

[Buffalo_Nickel_1]

Why'cant reed play the aj green and garcon play the other side and jackson play the slot

 

[j_y19]

Then you've obviously misinterpreted my point and btw the point being made by this organization.

There are very few exceptions in this league at WR, where another player is signed with the skillset that Jackson has coupled with those that Garcon has, where the latter doesn't take a step back in favor of the former. Otherwise why sign the new guy? It's all about improvement.

OK let's say you're right and Garcon is a top 16 player in the bottom eight of that field. For the sake of argument, let's say that by some miracle the top 8 were paired with the bottom eight. Barring injury, under what scenario does a bottom eight player supplant a top eight player all other things being equal?

Huh? What are you talking about? Where did I say anything about DJax overtaking or not overtaking Garcon? In fact, I said the whole discussion about No 1 is irrelevant. Who cares? What is the definition of a No 1? What is your definition of supplanting in this scenario?

 

[Stymietee]

Huh? What are you talking about? Where did I say anything about DJax overtaking or not overtaking Garcon? In fact, I said the whole discussion about No 1 is irrelevant. Who cares? What is the definition of a No 1? What is your definition of supplanting in this scenario?

The question is.........What are you talking about? NO ONE mentioned anyone overtaking anyone here, you just added that element. The discussion is and has been about primary receiver vs. 2nd, 3rd, and 4th options. The original thread post in as much said so when talking about who's playing the x, z, and son on position.

Because you said that the whole discussion about No1 is irrelevant, only makes it so to you, and, to be honest, even that is contradicted by..............YOU! (you mentioned top 15 in a previous response) This indicates some sort of ranking system, which by your own reasoning is irrelevant!!

 

[PDay8810]

Gee, imagine that!!!! Teams win games, who woulda thunk it?

I am one who actually saw Branch and Biletinikoff play, the idea that Branch could out-run the defenses and sometimes the ball not being a factor, is, to be kind, sort of like being a fan of the Cowboys instead of selecting a professional team to root for.(it's silly) While I agree with you about Garcon, last year was the exception to what's been true about this guy.

LOL...least you got the cowboy statement in

agenda is all you pal, nothing worse than a guy that knows it all....ONWARD!

 

[Stymietee]

LOL...least you got the cowboy statement in

agenda is all you pal, nothing worse than a guy that knows it all....ONWARD!

Had to put the Cowboy statement in....I tried to avoid it but in an Dr. Phil moment emotion overcame reason.

BTW: There is one thing worse than a guy who knows it all............One who knows very little or nothing, yet, tends to be a know it all.

From the movie, Texas across the river, and eloquently stated by, Capt. Rodney Stimpson: A-roar haarrh!

 

[PDay8810]

lol...opinions vary....


now discuss your agenda to bait.


have a nice day

 

[skinsdad62]

as a redskins fan my point is this . i am thrilled to have a wr corp like ours and it could be a challenge to the monk , clark and sanders teams of the 90's

i believe jackson and garcon will compliment each other well

roberts will get some great looks as well as should reed

if healthy , this is a very good wr corp

 

[ehb5]

I don't think we should be surprised by this. Greens routes fit Jackson more than Garcon. Pierre will still get plenty of targets.

 

[deanpet21]

I just wanted to know what you guy thought will have the better fantasy year. lol. You guys took this to a whole new level. Yes this is the most talent Wr core since the Posse.

 

[Caliskinsfan]

Amongst the reasons that anyone posts and re-posts on these sites one could reasonably include clarity. Happy to know that, you wish to think for yourself even though no one suggested or challenged your right to do so.

BTW: Garcon was bigger than Reggie Wayne too, still was the #2 in Indy. In as much as having Griffin's confidence last year goes, I'm pre-supposing you meant that he gained this confidence despite all of the other options the QB had.

It is possible that Garcon leads the team in receptions again this year, but they will come a lot easier because of the presence of Jackson. ( I believe that it's gonna be Reed if healthy as someone else mentioned)

Personally couldn't care less about distinctions in what receiver is what. I just want to see a cohesive unit that takes advantage of what defenses show us. I want the team to excel as a team. Individual stats mean little to me, if the team is losing the battle on the field.